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 p.5 #3 · New Z9 Specs (NR) Aug 10th, 2021 | |
Steve Spencer wrote:
I think you are missing some of the weaknesses of the R5. Sure it shoots 20 fps, but only in electronic shutter mode and only when the battery is fully charged. The electronic shutter mode means some pretty big losses in dynamic range and for faster action some noticeably rolling shutter issues. And if the battery charge drops you lose the 20 fps as well as the camera slows down. These are real and not trivial limitations, IMO. In many situations the R5 is a 12 fps mechanical shutter camera. That is still a quite decent thing to be, but one shouldn't confuse that camera with the 30fps stacked sensor BSI sensors in the Sony A1 or the sensor with similar capabilities in the Z9. You get a lot more for the extra money with those cameras. I am not saying a less capable but less expensive camera is a good idea, but let's not be fooled into thinking the R5 isn't a lot less capable than the A1 and the Z9 (if Nikon gets it right).
Also keep in mind that Nikon has a very interesting less capable less expensive camera in the Z7 II. That camera is excellent for shooting things that don't move or move slowly, and that covers a lot of what a lot of people want to shoot. Landscapes, architecture, still life, most nature photography, macro, and even a lot of portraits the Z7 II is a fantastic camera and in a number of ways a lot better than the R5 at a cheaper price. Sure the R5 can be used for some types of shooting that the Z7 II doesn't do as well, but if you don't shoot those things then the R5 clearly isn't better.
Note I am not saying the Canon R5 isn't a groundbreaking and really interesting camera. I think it is all of that. It is the first camera to put fairly high MP shooting together with good fast action capability. That was quite an accomplishment and it is still a compelling camera at its price point. The A1 and Z9 are clearly better, but they are way more expensive.
I also think it is a really interesting question how Nikon should try to compete with the R5. Should they try to build a similar camera without a stacked BSI sensor but with lots of processing power and lots of compromises to boost sensor scan speed or should they opt for a more expensive camera, but less than the Z9 that has a stacked BSI sensor. Personally, I think they are better off going with the stacked sensor BSI and go for a price point of $5,000 for the Z8. This would be a smaller camera body, it would have less processing power than the Z9, it would have a smaller buffer, it might well be 20 fps (but a real 20 fps) instead of 30 fps, but it would still have very fast sensor scan speed and no or virtually no rolling shutter effect. Such a camera for $5,000 which is still clearly better than the R5 I think competes well even with the R5 at a lower price of $3,800. Keep in mind Nikon still has the Z7II and Z6II for people with other needs....Show more →
From what I heard, I think it may be awhile before Nikon will truely has a real answer to R5 or a true upgrade to D850 even.
Z8 should be released sometimes next year but looks like Nikon is heading in a different direction with that so the closest to R5 and D850 will be Z7 ii for awhile. Now, with the rumored upcoming firmware, may be AF-c will catch up or exceed D850 but I dont know about R5. However, I doubt the new firmware will fix slideshow EVF in Hi+ mode so even if AF-C is better than D850, EVF may still be its weak point in comparison to D850. FPS wont improve so it does not compare to R5 unless you limit R5 to mechanical shutter only then it is close.
However, beside AF-C and EVF in H+ mode, I think Z7 ii already equals or exceeds D850 in many way and if you shoot mainly landscape, portrait, street rather than wildlife/sports, Z7 ii is already a perfectly fine body.
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