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Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO

  
 
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p.7 #1 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


Thank you for the tip about the Pre Asph. In fact, I’ve already researched the versions before the Asph and I have to say that their character (especially in the bokeh) is too classic and vintage for my taste. Similar to the 35mm Steel Rim. It’s just not my style.

It should be usable well in open conditions but not perfect. However, I tend to prefer a less characterful all-round lens.

That’s why I also considered the CV 1.2. However, it’s true: larger lenses are less fun on the M, as they don’t fit as well into the overall picture. So, I’m also considering a silver Summilux. Matching my silver P. In my opinion, it’s the most beautiful version of a digital M.



Apr 03, 2024 at 01:29 PM
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p.7 #2 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


just to throw a bomb in the thread I think the ZM 50/1.5 is chronically underrated as only a character lens that suffers FS when you shoot wide-open. It has good flare resistance, is sharp enough (IMO) stopped down, sensational color and contrast, is small and cheap, and most importantly, has a lot of character done well The MFD is long and it does have other cons—it’s a lens you have to learn to shoot with. Not super low maintenance, but the results are just fantastic.

And, I shoot a 50/1 Noct, but shooting it as 1.4 (like a 50 Lux Pre-ASPH) I love images though they are obviously not as modern, both good and bad, as a 50 Lux ASPH or CV 50/1.2

The good thing for you here is, all the options are unusually good. And this is not my usual thinking from a group of 4 lenses!






















Apr 03, 2024 at 03:22 PM
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p.7 #3 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


gammarART wrote:
Thank you for the tip about the Pre Asph. In fact, I’ve already researched the versions before the Asph and I have to say that their character (especially in the bokeh) is too classic and vintage for my taste. Similar to the 35mm Steel Rim. It’s just not my style.

It should be usable well in open conditions but not perfect. However, I tend to prefer a less characterful all-round lens.

That’s why I also considered the CV 1.2. However, it’s true: larger lenses are less fun on the M, as they don’t fit as well into the overall picture. So, I’m
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Get the Lux man- If you can swing the extra money its really just an incredible lens- You won’t ever feel the urge or need to replace it. The 50 Lux is a modern classic- Has some flaws but its really a joy to handle and the images you can create with it are timeless-




























Apr 03, 2024 at 03:51 PM
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p.7 #4 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


My vote would be for the m11 and buy a voigtlander 50mm apo. I haven’t used the 50mm f1.2 but I’ve used the 1.0 Nokton recently and 50mm summilux asph latest version. I think what sets the summilux apart is really great colors, sharpness and bokeh that comes together well. It’s also a small package. The voigtlander m-mount apos in my opinion are very close in rendering in a similar size. F2 vs 1.4 isn’t a deal breaker imo.

I think going from a m11 to a m240 would be a massive step up and worth prioritizing over the Leica lens. As for m10-r vs m11, I haven’t used the 10-r but I have a solid m11 without issues and i don’t think I would ever want to go with the 10-r. Real world dynamic range is very good and all the benchmarks show it’s better than the 10-r. I think it got a bad reputation due to early batch QC issues so make sure you buy a later used or new model with warranty.

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Apr 03, 2024 at 03:54 PM
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p.7 #5 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


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just to throw a bomb in the thread I think the ZM 50/1.5 is chronically underrated as only a character lens that suffers FS when you shoot wide-open. It has good flare resistance, is sharp enough (IMO) stopped down, sensational color and contrast, is small and cheap, and most importantly, has a lot of character done well The MFD is long and it does have other cons—it’s a lens you have to learn to shoot with. Not super low maintenance, but the results are just fantastic.

And, I shoot a 50/1 Noct, but shooting it as 1.4 (like a
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I have always wanted to try the Zm 50 1.5- Looks like a fun lens to shoot! Great images-



Apr 03, 2024 at 03:54 PM
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p.7 #6 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


RustyRus wrote:
I have always wanted to try the Zm 50 1.5- Looks like a fun lens to shoot! Great images-


Thanks man—it’s such a lovely lens. And your first photo is just lovely 👏🏻



Apr 03, 2024 at 03:57 PM
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p.7 #7 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


RustyRus wrote:
I have always wanted to try the Zm 50 1.5- Looks like a fun lens to shoot! Great images-


The ZM 50/1.5 is fantastic overall, but there's one downside: the focus shift is enormous. This can be quite tricky for us when shooting with a rangefinder.



Apr 03, 2024 at 04:02 PM
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p.7 #8 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


gammarART wrote:
Is there any particular version of the Summilux Asph that you recommend? I can get the silver 11892 for just under 2300 euros in very good condition. I recently had the 50mm Summicron Version 5, and I wasn’t particularly impressed with it. I wouldn’t know what I’m paying the high price for with this one.

How is it with the Summilux Asph?


If this was directed at me, I have only used one optical formula of the Summilux-M 50mm ASPH. The 11891 and 11892 share the same 2004 optical elements, differing in the metals used. The 11891 has an anodized aluminum barrel. The 11892 has a silver-toned chrome finish on a solid brass exterior, resulting in a notably heavier weight/mass. I bought a pre-owned 11891 in 2018, after several years of looking at others’ images posted on-line, and then test-shooting it during several visits to Houston Camera Exchange, an authorized Leica dealer, in Texas, coached by wonderfully patient employees.

With the newer, closer-focus Summilux ASPH being newly-extant, this is a good time to buy a 11891 or 11892, while many shooters are wishing to “upgrade,” or simply ignoring the older version, in the quest for the latest and greatest.

I will not dismiss the utility of a closer-focus 50mm lens, but, in early 2022, decided to add a pre-owned APO Summicron-M 75mm ASPH lens, rather than upgrade from the M Type 246 Monochrom, to the M10 Monochrom. From the same 0.7m Minimum Focusing Distance as the Summilux 11891/11892, the Magnification Factor of the APO Summicron-M 75mm ASPH can accomplish what the Close-Focus Summilux-M 50mm ASPH can do, at its newer, closer Minimum Focusing Distance.

The Summilux-M 11891 and 11892, and the Summicron-M Version IV/V, are not immune to flare, such that some shooters intentionally use it artistically. A reason I added the Voigtlander 50mm APO Lanthar is that it is much more flare-resistant than these Leica-brand competitors. This reviewer found that the Voigtlander 50mm APO Lanthar outperforms the mighty APO Summicron-M 50mm ASPH, in resistance to flare, as he tested them:



During a brief moment in time when I thought that I might try to commit the financial resources to add an APO Summicron-M 50mm ASPH, this presentation helped me to decide that it was better to remain faithful to my Summilux 11891, and add the Voigtlander 50mm APO Lanthar.




Apr 04, 2024 at 04:34 AM
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p.7 #9 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


Good point about the weight. The black 11891 already weighs 335g, while the silver 11892 weighs 465g, making it nearly as heavy as my 21mm Nokton...


Apr 04, 2024 at 07:19 AM
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p.7 #10 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


gammarART wrote:
Good point about the weight. The black 11891 already weighs 335g, while the silver 11892 weighs 465g, making it nearly as heavy as my 21mm Nokton...


Yes, weight is important. The physical aspects of one’s shooting style will have an influence on this. I mostly support the camera/lens with my upraised left hand and arm, a habit developed when I used relatively heavy lenses on SLRs and DSLRs, so, I do not perceive my Nokton 21mm f/1.4 VM to be heavy.

With age being less kind to my right hand and wrist, I have no incentive to transition to my right hand dominating the gripping of the camera. My favored “grip accessory” is a lens that has some amount of heft.



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p.7 #11 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


50'lux is my all-time favorite lens.


20+ yrs old shot, 50'lux on an M3 with a crappy scan. One of the kids on a late night visit to the ER.



Apr 04, 2024 at 08:22 PM
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p.7 #12 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


Such a lively photo. One feels like a silent observer, as if they were where the camera was

Which 50mm Lux did you use here?



Apr 04, 2024 at 11:30 PM
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p.7 #13 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO




Whatever was the regular version in 2003-ish (whenever that photo was taken)

Love me some 50mm lens and film


Southern Spain


Saint procession in Sevilla, this one was actually shot on a Leica R6




Apr 05, 2024 at 07:06 AM
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p.7 #14 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


Fred Miranda wrote:
So, I have updated the crops showing the new Voigtlander 50/2 APO copy. It does much better than the previous copy which was slightly tilted. This was only noticeable on 41MP.

Here is the link:

Voigtlander 50/2 APO vs Leica 50/1.4 Summilux:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1707236/0#15636310

My take on the results: The Voigtlander 50mm f/2 APO is one of the best 50mm lenses on the market in terms of resolution and contrast across the image field. I highly recommend it, especially if you have a Leica M10-R. It's already outstanding from wide open at center, mid-field and extreme corners only improving slightly at smaller apertures.
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for me, and I'm sure not necessarily for others, my reason for preferring the Leica 50/1.4 Summilux over the Voigtlander 50/2 APO is to shoot the 50 lux wide open in low light and to produce images in that regard that I don't see the Voigt producing at f2. If I ever want great resolution at mid-field and corners, I'd likely not be interested in the dreamy/soft/glow of shooting the 50 lux wide open, and therefore wouldn't have any problem stopping down to f4 or greater. To me this creates an all purpose 50mm lens, similar to the 35 steel rim reissue that I bought for the same reasoning.



Apr 05, 2024 at 09:13 AM
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p.7 #15 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


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for me, and I'm sure not necessarily for others, my reason for preferring the Leica 50/1.4 Summilux over the Voigtlander 50/2 APO is to shoot the 50 lux wide open in low light and to produce images in that regard that I don't see the Voigt producing at f2. If I ever want great resolution at mid-field and corners, I'd likely not be interested in the dreamy/soft/glow of shooting the 50 lux wide open, and therefore wouldn't have any problem stopping down to f4 or greater. To me this creates an all purpose 50mm lens, similar to the 35 steel
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Yes, I agree. Even though they have the same focal length, these lenses serve different purposes.



Apr 05, 2024 at 09:48 AM
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p.7 #16 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


Do the very pronounced sawtooth bokeh circles of the Summilux beyond 1.4 bother you?


Apr 05, 2024 at 09:57 AM
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p.7 #17 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


brick33308 wrote:
for me, and I'm sure not necessarily for others, my reason for preferring the Leica 50/1.4 Summilux over the Voigtlander 50/2 APO is to shoot the 50 lux wide open in low light and to produce images in that regard that I don't see the Voigt producing at f2. If I ever want great resolution at mid-field and corners, I'd likely not be interested in the dreamy/soft/glow of shooting the 50 lux wide open, and therefore wouldn't have any problem stopping down to f4 or greater. To me this creates an all purpose 50mm lens, similar to the 35 steel
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Very valid point. I still think that the 50/1.4 Summilux Asph can be used perfectly well, stopped down, for landscapes, as can the CV 50/1.2 (actually, for landscapes, I'm reasonably confident that the Voigt. would be better), but the CV f/2 APO is in a different league for that purpose. (I dare say that it's safe to assume that the Leica f/2 APO is also in that league, but I have no experience of it.) And the real, unique strengths of the 'Lux and Nokton are in creating dreamy / soft / glow / subject separation images, as you say.

So there is clearly an argument to have both an f/2 APO and an f/1.4 (or faster). Not that I would dream of having more than one 50mm M-mount lens. Absolutely not. That would just be silly. I always strive to be sensible.


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Apr 05, 2024 at 10:36 AM
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p.7 #18 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


gammarART wrote:
Do the very pronounced sawtooth bokeh circles of the Summilux beyond 1.4 bother you?


In actual use with thousands of images I have never produced the sawtooth pattern in bokeh circles. I am sure I could if I tried, but in actual shooting it has never occurred, so for me and my style of shooting it certainly hasn't bothered me.



Apr 05, 2024 at 10:44 AM
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p.7 #19 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


gammarART wrote:
Do the very pronounced sawtooth bokeh circles of the Summilux beyond 1.4 bother you?


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Steve Spencer wrote:
In actual use with thousands of images I have never produced the sawtooth pattern in bokeh circles. I am sure I could if I tried, but in actual shooting it has never occurred, so for me and my style of shooting it certainly hasn't bothered me.


I don't usually pay close attention to the shape of bokeh circles unless I'm testing a lens specifically. So, I haven't noticed anything odd regarding the Leica 50/1.4 Lux's nonagon shape of the aperture when not shooting wide open. The newer close-focus version does a slightly better job in this regard since it's equipped a higher number of aperture blades.

However, the Voigtlander APO Lanthar lenses have an advantage here because their aperture mechanism creates perfectly round bokeh circles, not just when wide open but also at f/2.8, f/4, and so on.



Apr 05, 2024 at 12:51 PM
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p.7 #20 · Leica 50/1.4 Lux vs Voigtlander 50/1.2 Nokton vs 50/2 APO


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I don't usually pay close attention to the shape of bokeh circles unless I'm testing a lens specifically. So, I haven't noticed anything odd regarding the Leica 50/1.4 Lux's nonagon shape of the aperture when not shooting wide open. The newer close-focus version does a slightly better job in this regard since it's equipped a higher number of aperture blades.

However, the Voigtlander APO Lanthar lenses have an advantage here because their aperture mechanism creates perfectly round bokeh circles, not just when wide open but also at f/2.8, f/4, and so on.


Isn't the 50 f/2 APO Lanthar's aperture blades perfectly round at just f/2, f/2.8, and f/16 for the E-mount and Z-mount versions and also f/5.6 for the M-mount version, and the 35 f/2 APO Lanthar's at just f/2, f/2.8, f/5.6, and f/16 for all the versions?



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