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Archive 2021 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

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p.2 #1 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

bs kite wrote:
To Nikon: Why did you significantly improve LiveView performance in one of your DSLR's (the D780!) , and not do the same in a D850 upgrade? For my needs, that is all you would have needed to do to have a D850 upgrade.

I think there's a consensus that the D850 and its APS-C counterpart, the D500 are the two best DSLR's made to date. Of course this *is* debatable. However, I think most would agree.

But Nikon never finished the D850! It remains incomplete to this day.

The D850 LiveView AF performance is a dinosaur ! It is very...Show more →
Not to argue with you Robert, but I just don't think that the numbers are on your side. The Nikon D750 may be one of the best selling Nikon FX SLRs made. This body was a mainstay of the "average" photographer (average not referring to skill). It was one of the go to wedding cameras, portrait cameras, family cameras, travel cameras, and high school sports cameras. Many photographers who make a living with their images do not buy the best bodies, as these cameras do not add a lot of value when it comes to sales. For this reason, one often sees Nikon D750s or Canon 5D3's in the typical wedding photographer bag.
I think that the Nikon D780 was a trial balloon to see if Nikon could move photographers into an upgraded, but similar camera. The D780 has all of the improvements that you are seeking in the D850. As far as I can tell, the D780 has been an extremely low selling product. Nobody talks about this camera, and camera shops have not been stocking it. It is the DSLR/MILC hybrid that some D850 shooters want in their D850, but the price to produce and release has been an obstacle to sales. The D780 is too expensive for what it is, and those looking to upgrade their D750's have chosen to go with either the Z6(I or II), or Sony A7iii/iiir/ivr.
If Nikon produces the phantom D880 and prices it with the strategy employed with the D780, you might be looking at $3500 to $4000. The base price of a D850 today is about $3000 (was about $3300), and at the time of release, it was a breakthrough camera. A D880 w/ better live view and silent shutter at $3700 is not a breakthrough camera. For that much money, one might be better off with A7Riv or Canon R5. Furthermore, the sell off of D850's at $2000 or less would require "upgraders" to spend another $1500 + to get into the camera. It is likely that most current D850 shooter would just stick it out with their D850s... heck, that's what the D750 shooters have done. What's more, I know a number of D750 shooters who have replaced their D750 with bargain priced D750's that Nikon puts on sale every 6 months.
If I were going to plunk $3500 to $4000 into a new Nikon camera, I would want it to be spent on Nikon's future... not their past.

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Apr 11, 2021 at 11:34 AM

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p.2 #2 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

The other thing to consider is there are several indications that the physical D780 design dates back several years prior to its actual launch. In UI it's just too D750 and not enough Z6 to be the follow-on design to the Z6. Th key UI item here is the joystick, the D780 didn't get it, but the Z5 did.

Frankly, I continue to think the D780 was something Nikon was sitting on to give the Z's breathing room, and it was launched some years after the basic physical design was settled and molds cut.

The D780 was also the poster child for how not to launch a body. It was too expensive at launch, had a couple of glaring decontenting items (the grip most notably) and most of the D750 upgraders had already assumed that the D750 successor was never coming and bought something else (either a D850 or mirrorless). $2300 was simply too much money when D850's were drifting under $3k new, Z6's were $1800 on sale all the time and the D750 was on perma-sale at $1500-1600.

The difference with a D850 update is that the D850 update would be clearly top-dog for the market that wants a do-everything DSLR. The D780 on the other hand had to compete with the then-current top dawg D850, the dirt cheap predecessor D750 and the mirrorless bodies, and at a price that didn't give it any advantages. Quite frankly you could buy a used Z6 + used D750 for the cost of a D780 at launch.

Now is the D780 a better body than the D750? Yes. But if you don't do video, the advantages are smaller, really that extra stop of shutter, mild high ISO improvements, really usable LVAF (with the 12fps mode in LV), a minor boost in battery life (the CIPA ratings are distorted by the lack of flash on the D780) and some buffer & write speed improvements. Real, but minor for a body which cost $7-800 more than a new D750.

Will the D850 update be an iteration of the D850? Yup. But don't assume it will be a minor iteration. If Nikon is smart they'll throw in everything but the kitchen sink for their last major DSLR launch. So D6 AF, double Expeed 6 to net a decently deep buffer along with the CFE-B slot, silent shutter, etc. Probably a minor FPS boost too. Imagine a D850 with D6 AF and a usably deep buffer at 9/10fps. That would sell to the birders for sure.

Apr 11, 2021 at 11:51 AM

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p.2 #3 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

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Not to argue with you Robert, but I just don't think that the numbers are on your side. The Nikon D750 may be one of the best selling Nikon FX SLRs made. This body was a mainstay of the "average" photographer (average not referring to skill). It was one of the go to wedding cameras, portrait cameras, family cameras, travel cameras, and high school sports cameras. Many photographers who make a living with their images do not buy the best bodies, as these cameras do not add a lot of value when it comes to sales. For this reason, one...Show more →

No problem Bruce. I know you enough that your intent is not to argue. And I always value your opinions.

I started to write a response and it began to get lengthy. And as I continued to write, I came to see no reason for it. It just goes over the same stuff again. and again...and again. I deleted it. But now I think I will say just a couple of things: The D750 customer is not the D850 customer. Several days ago, I looked at the 780 and imo (your's too I guess), it's too expensive for what it is. Regarding the D850, I can only speak for myself. I would pay top dollar for a D850 that had LiveView functions approaching what they say the Z9 will be. For me, it's all going to depend on how exciting this Z9 will be. We will see.

I wish Nikon would hurry up with this Z9. Why can't they release in the spring, not the fall!

And in the end, yes, I do still believe that Nikon is going to upgrade the 850 and possibly the 500.

Today, I lowered the canoe from the rafters and went to an estuary I've frequented over the last several years. With all the warm weather, I thought there was a good chance of seeing a few migrants. In summer months, we get a few Great Egrets and Snowy's, many Common Terns, and some Least and Roseate Terns. The tide was outgoing and I hoped to shoot terns as they dropped from a hover position, down into a tidal pool of minnows.

Still too early. None were here today. So I resorted to shooting Herring Gulls and Rock Doves (pigeons

) and I came to realize that I am tired of the blackout time between frames.

Good Light.

Robert

Apr 11, 2021 at 09:08 PM

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p.2 #4 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

Bruce @OwlsEyes@ raises valid criticisms. The D780 appears to be a damp squib to many Nikon shooters. However it ticks many boxes, but it is overpriced for the features. Nikon reap what they sow. The oft repeated criticisms of the AF is one. It was a serious mistake not to use a D5 AF engine (ie make D780 action features closer to the existing D850), however its Z6 sensor is a Big Tick; and the pruned menus etc are an equally big mistake. Actually in many situations the D780 AF is highly capable despite a smaller sensor coverage.

I agree with @mawz@ the D880 should be a very different imaging instrument. It should meet all 3 of the logical corporate aims, but only if Nikon do not derail the potential by releasing yet another distinctly underwhelming product.

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The other thing to consider is there are several indications that the physical D780 design dates back several years prior to its actual launch. In UI it's just too D750 and not enough Z6 to be the follow-on design to the Z6. Th key UI item here is the joystick, the D780 didn't get it, but the Z5 did.

Frankly, I continue to think the D780 was something Nikon was sitting on to give the Z's breathing room, and it was launched some years after the basic physical design was settled and molds cut.

The D780 was also the poster child...Show more →

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Apr 12, 2021 at 03:14 AM

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p.2 #5 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

D500/D850 upgrade

I am finding the used market reflecting both of these bodies either:

#1 Limited, in the case of the D500
#2 High resale value, in the case of the D850

Certainly not surprising since both (IMHO) were the best DX/FX bodies produces in the past few years.

Apr 12, 2021 at 04:36 AM

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p.2 #6 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

I think pretty much any new body be somewhat overprice as Nikon does not enjoy the kind of volume they used to enjoy. Mirrorless body may be a bit more restrictive as it seems that Nikon is trying to undercut Sony's pricing a bit.
Personally I am not sure if D880 will happen or not. There is quite a bit of rumor about 60mp DSLR replacement for D850 for awhile now but nothing much is heard from the factory over here. Seems they are getting ready for a new aps-c mirrorless body next. Then perhaps Z9 a bit later this year but no word regarding D880 at all so far.

Apr 12, 2021 at 04:39 AM

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p.2 #7 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

Will Nikon's continued investment in dSLR development will be justified by continued sales for that equipment? Based on our own experience, the answer seems to be no. I haven't bought F-mount lenses in years, and am selling off everything except the most essential (to us) lenses at fire-sale prices. We're keeping the D850 because my wife loves it, but I barely use it anymore. It's a great camera to be sure, but the Sony stuff is way better. Not sure how modern Z cameras do compared to other mirrorless, but I suspect most of Nikon's growth is happening in that system. If I were them, that would be my focus.

Apr 12, 2021 at 03:21 PM

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p.2 #8 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

Arka wrote:
Will Nikon's continued investment in dSLR development will be justified by continued sales for that equipment? Based on our own experience, the answer seems to be no. I haven't bought F-mount lenses in years, and am selling off everything except the most essential (to us) lenses at fire-sale prices. We're keeping the D850 because my wife loves it, but I barely use it anymore. It's a great camera to be sure, but the Sony stuff is way better. Not sure how modern Z cameras do compared to other mirrorless, but I suspect most of Nikon's growth is happening in that...Show more →

I'd disagree. There's value in being the last man standing in a market that isn't completely dead. Pentax is betting on that for their survival, but it looks like Nikon has them topped for now.

Remember that DSLR sales are still fairly high in numbers, based on the current splits Nikon sells 3-4 DSLR's for every mirrorless body right now.

Canon shot themselves in the foot by announcing the effective death of EF mount development. Their stealth discontinuing of EF lenses is making a bad marketing situation worse and based on their marketshare numbers they're loosing EF-M shooters as fast as they're gaining RF shooters (Canon marketshare in mirrorless has stayed steady since mid-2018 before RF launched, only Nikon and Sony have gained mirrorless share during that period. Everybody else lost share)

Some people simply prefer DSLR's. There's still a market for them even if the future is Mirrorless (look how Rangefinders still hang on even though the market overwhelmingly transitioned to SLR's by 1970).

Right now only Nikon and Pentax offer any hope of a modern DSLR option to the photographer who doesn't want to move to mirrorless. I actually expect to see leakage from Canon to Nikon because the 5DIV is aging and Nikon's offerings are much more up to date (assuming we get the D880 this year)

Apr 12, 2021 at 03:35 PM

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p.2 #9 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

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I'd disagree. There's value in being the last man standing in a market that isn't completely dead. Pentax is betting on that for their survival, but it looks like Nikon has them topped for now.

Remember that DSLR sales are still fairly high in numbers, based on the current splits Nikon sells 3-4 DSLR's for every mirrorless body right now.

Canon shot themselves in the foot by announcing the effective death of EF mount development. Their stealth discontinuing of EF lenses is making a bad marketing situation worse and based on their marketshare numbers they're loosing EF-M shooters as fast as...Show more →

You may be right. As I mentioned in my post, my statement is based almost solely on my experience and not any market data of the sort that Nikon surely has. To your point on being the "last man standing," I'd say that even if Nikon ended the road at the D6 and D850, they'd be in a pretty good position.

Also, to your point about keeping older platforms alive, Nikon did not end the line on its F6 film SLR until 2020. That stubbornness suggests that some combination of inertia, profit, and commitment to existing users may keep Nikon's dSLR ecosystem alive for a good while.

But I also think that the customers you mention who "simply prefer dSLRs" need to become comfortable with what they've got, because the end of the dSLR innovation pipeline is in sight. We can quibble about the imminence of that end (and you make some good points as to why it may not be as close as I think), but I continue to believe that camera manufacturers who are investing significantly in mirrorless (like Nikon) see a lot more potential in selling people a new mirrorless system (lenses and cameras), and also see a lot more space to innovate in the mirrorless space (thereby giving people incentive to upgrade).

Apr 12, 2021 at 04:38 PM

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p.2 #10 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

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You may be right. As I mentioned in my post, my statement is based almost solely on my experience and not any market data of the sort that Nikon surely has. To your point on being the "last man standing," I'd say that even if Nikon ended the road at the D6 and D850, they'd be in a pretty good position.

Also, to your point about keeping older platforms alive, Nikon did not end the line on its F6 film SLR until 2020. That stubbornness suggests that some combination of inertia, profit, and commitment to existing users may keep Nikon's...Show more →

Don't forget one thing. Somebody gets to become the SLR equivalent of Leica and their M system. Remember Leica's status as a premium brand didn't really start until the 80's and the M6. Before that they were pricey, but nobody in the 70's considered a Leicaflex superior to an F2 or New F1, same for the M5 (in fact nobody ever really considered the M5 a premium body), Leica's most commercially successful camera in the 70's was the CL.

Pentax is obviously angling for that as their survival plan but I'd bet on Nikon doing it on the side over Pentax doing it as their main thing, if only because Nikon can steal tech from the Z line as that becomes the primary system.

If anything I'd bet we'll see occasional refreshes of the D8x0 bodies every couple Z7 generations until it becomes commercially unviable and that may be a long time.

Note that nothing says Nikon won't do another film body. In fact it might not be a bad time for them to do a F7 on the same frame as the D880 (or break out the FM2n tooling if they're still holding onto it and do an FM4 to make up for the FE3m that they mislabelled as a FM3a, this would be nothing more than an FM2n with selectable spot metering, aka what most FM2n shooters actually wanted from an FM3). The last rangefinder they did was in 2000, almost 30 years after the S system was dead commercially.

Apr 12, 2021 at 06:32 PM

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p.2 #11 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

mawz wrote........

"If anything I'd bet we'll see occasional refreshes of the D8x0 bodies every couple Z7 generations until it becomes commercially unviable and that may be a long time.�

Thank you.

That is what I've envisioned for some time. It is logical; walking away from the DSLR is not likely to happen.

Apr 12, 2021 at 08:31 PM

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p.2 #12 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

and mawz wrote......

�Nikon can steal tech from the Z line as that becomes the primary system.�

Yes, of course.

I�ve been thinking the same thing there too.

Anyway, enough for me folks.

We�ll just have to go on to others things in our lives and see what comes down the road.

Thanks for the input

Apr 12, 2021 at 09:26 PM

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p.2 #13 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

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Don't forget one thing. Somebody gets to become the SLR equivalent of Leica and their M system. Remember Leica's status as a premium brand didn't really start until the 80's and the M6. Before that they were pricey, but nobody in the 70's considered a Leicaflex superior to an F2 or New F1, same for the M5 (in fact nobody ever really considered the M5 a premium body), Leica's most commercially successful camera in the 70's was the CL.

Pentax is obviously angling for that as their survival plan but I'd bet on Nikon doing it on the side over...Show more →

I would not read too much into Pentax' "decision" to stay with dslr. If anything, it was a result of inertia, withdrawal of funds and consequently being stuck with dslr. There is simply no way that Pentax could introduce a new mirrorless system with crop and FF bodies and a multitude of lenses. They don't even have the resources to develop modern lenses to fill in the big holes in their current (modern) dslr lens offerings. A 300mm f2.8? a 500mm f4? Just forget about Pentax lenses like that, they are not going to happen. People are still shooting the �ber heavy 600mm f4 from yesteryear.

I don't see the shift from dslr to mirrorless in the same light as the shift from analog (film) to digital. Film photography is an entirely different world, so I can imagine film cameras still being sold, even though they are antiquated tech.
But what after all is the real difference between a dslr and a mirrorless camera? It is only a pentaprism, AF sensor and a mirror box. When the downsides that came with mirrorless are overcome, with crazy fast stacked sensors and ever improving EVF's, then what incentive could there be to continue producing dslr camera bodies, if there is a more than decent way of adapting the F mount lenses?
I don't see this happening for long, if at all. Some people looked through an EVF years ago, made up their mind that an optical viewfinder is far superior, and are stuck there. For all other shooters, there is so little benefit to a dsr in future, other than perhaps habit.

Any remaining AF issues will be gone with next generation Nikon mirrorless bodies, I have not read a single complaint on the Canon forum about AF with adapted EF lenses being worse than EF lenses on a Canon dslr, quite the opposite in fact...

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p.2 #14 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

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I would not read too much into Pentax' "decision" to stay with dslr. If anything, it was a result of inertia, withdrawal of funds and consequently being stuck with dslr. There is simply no way that Pentax could introduce a new mirrorless system with crop and FF bodies and a multitude of lenses. They don't even have the resources to develop modern lenses to fill in the big holes in their current (modern) dslr lens offerings. A 300mm f2.8? a 500mm f4? Just forget about Pentax lenses like that, they are not going to happen. People are still shooting the...Show more →

Remember that Ricoh/Pentax has done at least 3 different mirrorless systems, and abandoned all of them. The Pentax Q and the one-off K-01 plus the innovative GXR system (which really should have been developed further). Admittedly the Pentax attempts were a bit of a predictable failure, but the Ricoh system should have been developed further.

I don't see the shift from dslr to mirrorless in the same light as the shift from analog (film) to digital. Film photography is an entirely different world, so I can imagine film cameras still being sold, even though they are antiquated tech.
But what after all is the real difference between a dslr and a mirrorless camera? It is only a pentaprism, AF sensor and a mirror box. When the downsides that came with mirrorless are overcome, with crazy fast stacked sensors and ever improving EVF's, than what incentive could there be to continue producing dslr camera bodies, if there...Show more →

I see it more like the shift from Rangefinders to SLR's in the 60's. It's a fundamental shift in how you interact with the camera, not the photography medium. That's why I keep calling out Leica as the example for DSLR's in the future, because it's going to resemble the future of the rangefinders. I do not see DSLR's going away, I see them eventually becoming a niche product with 1-2 models available and a limited selection of premium lenses.

Any remaining AF issues will be gone with next generation Nikon mirrorless bodies, I have not read a single complaint on the Canon forum about AF with adapted EF lenses being worse than EF lenses on a Canon dslr, quite the opposite in fact...

I'm somewhat unconvinced of that, because there really are two issues and I only see one of them getting solved quickly. The one Nikon is going to solve quickly is the lag between where the camera is focusing and where the focus box is when tracking, that makes the AF look much slower than it is (it's the basis of Jared Polin's misleading dancing 'fro demonstrations for example).

The second is more a matter of philosophy. Nikon has continued to prefer having the photographer manage the AF system while Sony has gone with pushing more automation and AI in subject detection and selection. This isn't a tech difference but an approach one and Nikon is notoriously awful at asking customers what they want.

Apr 13, 2021 at 07:43 AM

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p.2 #15 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

What I'd like to see from one last round of Nikon DSLRs:

D580
- D6 autofocus
- PDAF 20-24mp sensor
- 14 fps
- 4k 60fps video

D900
- D6 autofocus
- PDAF version of D850 47mp sensor
- 8 fps
- 4k 60 fps video

Dfm
- Make the smallest, thinnest DSLR ever; realistically F3 sized?
- Idea is, as mentioned by other posters, to establish Nikon as the Leica of DSLRs
- Manual focus
- D850 47mp sensor
- Highly damped mirror and shutter to minimize shake
- As such, 3 fps
- Articulating screen that can fold flat against the camera to allow a screen-free experience, if desired
- Interchangeable focus screens designed for manual focus (with no AF system, viewfinder can be brighter)
- Able to use non-Ai lenses
- Able to use E lenses
- Styling and materials reminiscent of 80s Nikon SLRs (F3 & FM2)
- Black and Dfm/T color variants, with the latter using titanium body components

Apr 13, 2021 at 11:59 PM

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p.2 #16 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

I would be surprised if Nikon didn't release a D850 followup. They need to make a top of the line rear screen and LV touch interface. If Nikon didn't release the D780, I would be lot more worried that they are done with DSLRs. However, with that release, it doesn't make any sense to not update the D850.

Now after the D850, who knows. It may be like the F5 and F6 SLR releases, and Df, where they were released at irregular intervals and for the optical view finder aficionados, as more of a passion project than aimed for the masses.

Apr 14, 2021 at 03:13 AM

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p.2 #17 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

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I'm somewhat unconvinced of that, because there really are two issues and I only see one of them getting solved quickly. The one Nikon is going to solve quickly is the lag between where the camera is focusing and where the focus box is when tracking, that makes the AF look much slower than it is (it's the basis of Jared Polin's misleading dancing 'fro demonstrations for example).

The second is more a matter of philosophy. Nikon has continued to prefer having the photographer manage the AF system while Sony has gone with pushing more automation and AI in subject detection...Show more →

On the last point about AF, I agree with Chris that Nikon is on the right track and the Z9 will largely resolve AF issues. For the Z9 Nikon's strategy of letting the photog mange the AF system, I think is exactly the way to go. For a high level camera designed for experienced shooters to me that is a better approach to AF. Where the automation built into the AF system may make more sense is with lower level cameras, where more shooter may not want to learn how to manage the AF system. IMO, Nikon needs to get more automation built into the Z5II and Z6 III to be more competitive. Ideally that automation then becomes an option on the Z7 III and the Z9 II (and a Z8 if they make one) over time as part of the photog's control of the AF system.

Apr 14, 2021 at 06:48 AM

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p.2 #18 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

Well, I for one wish Nikon the best. I shot with them for a bit over a decade, with a brief 3 year period in which I went Fuji. I started with a D7000, then moved to the best camera I ever used - the D700, then the D800, and currently the D750.

I'll be moving to a full frame mirrorless camera this year. Unfortunately, it won't be with Nikon. I don't know what this company is doing, buy they seem lost (and this has been going on for quite a while).

Mishaps like oil on the sensor on the D600, bad shutters on the D750, the slow as hell D800, the lackluster features of the D780, the half-ass release of the Z6/Z7 - this company has many problems and it has all caught up with them.

Mirrorless is inevitable. I was disappointed that Z series camera take a new mount. Sure, there's an adapter, but it's not native, and the AF is slower.

I simply can't trust the company any more. It's time to move on. I have a feeling many Nikon D750 shooters are waiting for A7IV by Sony to be released before jumping ship. It's time to sell my Nikon gear while it still has some value.

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p.2 #19 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

Razeus wrote:
Well, I for one wish Nikon the best. I shot with them for a bit over a decade, with a brief 3 year period in which I went Fuji. I started with a D7000, then moved to the best camera I ever used - the D700, then the D800, and currently the D750.

I'll be moving to a full frame mirrorless camera this year. Unfortunately, it won't be with Nikon. I don't know this company is doing, buy the seem lost (and this has been going on for quite a while).

Mishaps like oil on the sensor on the D600, bad shutters...Show more →

Uh, what makes you think the FTZ adapter is not native? It is of course a native solution in that it was designed from start to finish by the same company that built the lens and the AF is a hugely overblown issue. On all but the longest lenses the speed of the lenses on mirrorless cameras with the FTZ is as fast as on the best DSLRs and even with the long lenses the AF speed is very very close if you use the focus limiter on these lenses. Of course Nikon used a new mount when they went mirrorless, so did Canon (they actually used two new mounts) so did Sony, so did Sigma, so did Leica, so did Panasonic. There is not a single company that went mirrorless and did not use a new mount. I can't see why you are singling out Nikon here for doing that.

Apr 14, 2021 at 02:30 PM

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p.2 #20 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's?

A new mount was an inevitable necessity. Since Nikon (and everyone else) had to change flange distance to take advantage of the now removed mirror box, they might as well introduce a modern mount with a modicum of future proofing both mechanically and electrically.

F-mount has been around since before the moon landing, and trying to band-aid features onto it for over sixty years became an albatross around their neck that no other manufacturer had to deal with. I mean, what were they going to do? Make a giant mirrorless camera with bunch of empty space inside just to preserve 'native' F-mount?

I understand why people would be bummed out that their AF-D lenses don't autofocus, or that after a lifetime with one camera system suddenly things are changing for reasons that might not naturally benefit their needs. F-mount had an incredible run. Z is the future of the company, one way or another. And I think that's for the best.

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