Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
p.25 #1Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Back in the DSLR days, Sigma used to be cheap alternative for first party lenses and nothing more majority of the time. From build quality to IQ to physical design, everything was inferior to comparable first party lenses (Nikon in my case). On the mirrorless side, Sigma has proven itself to be a strong alternative to Sony and with this release Sony has solidified Sigma's role as a key player even more. No longer you pick a Sigma lens only when you can't find or afford a native Sony lens, but you pick a Sigma lens because you prefer its qualities and compromises over equivalent Sony lenses.
I am a fan of Sigma's I-series lenses and my only issue with Art lenses is the size and weight. I prefer the IQ, design, build quality, and the price of I-series lenses over the FE, Zeiss and G lenses (only exception being 20G, which is more of a GM lens than a G lens). If it weren't for the Sony GM lenses, Sony would be behind Sigma in their own game IMO. Hopefully, the new GM series will send Sigma down the path of compact pro lenses.
I am a fan of Sigma's I-series lenses and my only issue with Art lenses is the size and weight. I prefer the IQ, design, build quality, and the price of I-series lenses over the FE, Zeiss and G lenses (only exception being 20G, which is more of a GM lens than a G lens). If it weren't for the Sony GM lenses, Sony would be behind Sigma in their own game IMO. Hopefully, the new GM series will send Sigma down the path of compact pro lenses.
Mar 24, 2021 at 06:42 AM
p.25 #2Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Holger wrote:
Edit: and for clear evidence of axial CA see these pictures posted earlier in the thread:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/markgaler/51048071483/in/album-72157718693527132/
Here see the fairly strong axial CA in the bokeh, often referred to as bokeh fringing
and here:
https://1.img-dpreview.com/files/p/sample_galleries/7940563998/4314571308.jpg
Note the axial CA in the strong green fringing in the tree branches
It is of course earlier, however, perhaps the axial CA once more shots have come in from more settings won't be as bad as these samples look, but both these samples don't look very good for axial CA.Strong? Not really in my opinion. I see these CAs around leaves and branches in the 35/1.2 DN, 35/1.4 GM, 50/1.4ZE and many other lenses. Easy to correct. It would be great if there were none of it, the bokeh smoother, lens cheaper, ... Will it ever happen? Will people ever be happy?
Too many are obsessed with perfection. Too many are disappointed. Search for the holy grail.
In real life images, one often doesn't see an issue at all, like in your first image of the girl on the bank. Who cares about a tiny bit of green fringing around some tiny bokeh balls you only see when pixel peeping? Yes, it demonstrates the lens isn't perfect. None is. For me the lens is too slow, but it is another nice option many here seem to like.Show me shots from those fast lenses that show axial CA like that at f/2.5? Many lenses have much less axial CA at that aperture. Sure it isn't as strong as a lot of lenses at wider apertures, but axial CA is of course aperture dependent and I maintain that I find the axial CA pretty strong for that aperture in those shots. Neither do I find it easy to correct, but you may have and probably do have a lot better post processing skills than me. I am not asking for perfection. As I have written I quite like the Sigma 45 f/2.8, which certainly isn't a perfect lens, but I do have different tolerances for different flaws and appreciate some aspects more than other aspects. All I am saying is that these Sony G lenses excel where I personally don't care much and they are weak exactly where I do care, so they are a poor fit for what I like in a lens. You can and likely do have different preferences and tolerance for flaws than I do so YMMV and likely does.Here a quick upload before I started work, just to show you how the Sigma looks. Another one compared to the GM. It is a crop but you can see the magenta in the oof branches already. I don't have raws on my laptop. The Sigma shot shows CAs close to the central region already.
https://uni-siegen.sciebo.de/apps/files/?dir=/Test&fileid=275862910#/files_mediaviewer/Sigma%2035%201.2%20Art%20CA.png">
What aperture are these shots? With the screen shots I don't know how to see the EXIF data. I would not be surprised at these results at all with wider apertures, but stopped down 2 stops I would be.Not at 2.5 when I remember correctly. However, fast lenses usually behave clearly better when stopped down and have special elements to suppress CAs stronger/faster, after all they are much heavier and expensive.
Zeiss has slower lenses, too, but those are much more expensive and sometimes prone to CAs, too. My 25/2 Batis, for example, is not a glorious contender when it comes to CAs.
Well then, I think we are in agreement. I am not surprised these really fast lenses have axial CA at wider apertures. Axial CA is very dependent on the aperture (I believe this aberration increases by the power of 3 for each stop), so no surprises fast lenses at fast apertures show a lot more axial CA. What I was saying is I think these lenses show strong axial CA for their apertures. Yes, the Batis 25 f/2 could do a lot better with axial CA as well, but it is a stop faster (than the 24 f/2.8 G) as well so some axial CA is expected. Not two stops faster like the Sigma 35 f/1.2, where it is much harder to correct CA, but still quite a bit faster. I expect an f/1.2 lens even one well corrected to show some axial CA wide open, but I expect it to be mostly gone by f/2.8. In the same way I expect an f/2.8 lens if it were well correct to show almost no axial CA wide open. These lenses do not seem to be well corrected for axial CA. This appears to be a weakness of these lenses. They do have notable strengths, however, such as their small size, their sharpness, and their fast and accurate focus.
Steve Spencer wrote
Holger wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Holger wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
I think it isn't so much rationalization, which frankly is a suggestion bordering on being insulting, but rather a difference in preference. The lenses definitely have a different look and different strengths and weaknesses. You might well prefer the Sony 40 f/2.5G, but I prefer the Sigma 45 f/2.8 I series, and that ought to be ok without you suggesting that I am engaging in some sort of rationalization.Edit: and for clear evidence of axial CA see these pictures posted earlier in the thread:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/markgaler/51048071483/in/album-72157718693527132/
Here see the fairly strong axial CA in the bokeh, often referred to as bokeh fringing
and here:
https://1.img-dpreview.com/files/p/sample_galleries/7940563998/4314571308.jpg
Note the axial CA in the strong green fringing in the tree branches
It is of course earlier, however, perhaps the axial CA once more shots have come in from more settings won't be as bad as these samples look, but both these samples don't look very good for axial CA.
Too many are obsessed with perfection. Too many are disappointed. Search for the holy grail.
In real life images, one often doesn't see an issue at all, like in your first image of the girl on the bank. Who cares about a tiny bit of green fringing around some tiny bokeh balls you only see when pixel peeping? Yes, it demonstrates the lens isn't perfect. None is. For me the lens is too slow, but it is another nice option many here seem to like.
Zeiss has slower lenses, too, but those are much more expensive and sometimes prone to CAs, too. My 25/2 Batis, for example, is not a glorious contender when it comes to CAs.
Well then, I think we are in agreement. I am not surprised these really fast lenses have axial CA at wider apertures. Axial CA is very dependent on the aperture (I believe this aberration increases by the power of 3 for each stop), so no surprises fast lenses at fast apertures show a lot more axial CA. What I was saying is I think these lenses show strong axial CA for their apertures. Yes, the Batis 25 f/2 could do a lot better with axial CA as well, but it is a stop faster (than the 24 f/2.8 G) as well so some axial CA is expected. Not two stops faster like the Sigma 35 f/1.2, where it is much harder to correct CA, but still quite a bit faster. I expect an f/1.2 lens even one well corrected to show some axial CA wide open, but I expect it to be mostly gone by f/2.8. In the same way I expect an f/2.8 lens if it were well correct to show almost no axial CA wide open. These lenses do not seem to be well corrected for axial CA. This appears to be a weakness of these lenses. They do have notable strengths, however, such as their small size, their sharpness, and their fast and accurate focus.
Mar 24, 2021 at 06:46 AM
p.25 #3Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Steve Spencer wrote:
Too many are obsessed with perfection. Too many are disappointed. Search for the holy grail.
In real life images, one often doesn't see an issue at all, like in your first image of the girl on the bank. Who cares about a tiny bit of green fringing around some tiny bokeh balls you only see when pixel peeping? Yes, it demonstrates the lens isn't perfect. None is. For me the lens is too slow, but it is another nice option many here seem to like.Show me shots from those fast lenses that show axial CA like that at f/2.5? Many lenses have much less axial CA at that aperture. Sure it isn't as strong as a lot of lenses at wider apertures, but axial CA is of course aperture dependent and I maintain that I find the axial CA pretty strong for that aperture in those shots. Neither do I find it easy to correct, but you may have and probably do have a lot better post processing skills than me. I am not asking for perfection. As I have written I quite like the Sigma 45 f/2.8, which certainly isn't a perfect lens, but I do have different tolerances for different flaws and appreciate some aspects more than other aspects. All I am saying is that these Sony G lenses excel where I personally don't care much and they are weak exactly where I do care, so they are a poor fit for what I like in a lens. You can and likely do have different preferences and tolerance for flaws than I do so YMMV and likely does.Here a quick upload before I started work, just to show you how the Sigma looks. Another one compared to the GM. It is a crop but you can see the magenta in the oof branches already. I don't have raws on my laptop. The Sigma shot shows CAs close to the central region already.
https://uni-siegen.sciebo.de/apps/files/?dir=/Test&fileid=275862910#/files_mediaviewer/Sigma%2035%201.2%20Art%20CA.png">
What aperture are these shots? With the screen shots I don't know how to see the EXIF data. I would not be surprised at these results at all with wider apertures, but stopped down 2 stops I would be.Not at 2.5 when I remember correctly. However, fast lenses usually behave clearly better when stopped down and have special elements to suppress CAs stronger/faster, after all they are much heavier and expensive.
Zeiss has slower lenses, too, but those are much more expensive and sometimes prone to CAs, too. My 25/2 Batis, for example, is not a glorious contender when it comes to CAs.Well then, I think we are in agreement. I am not surprised these really fast lenses have axial CA at wider apertures. Axial CA is very dependent on the aperture (I believe this aberration increases by the power of 3 for each stop), so no surprises fast lenses at fast apertures show a lot more axial CA. What I was saying is I think these lenses show strong axial CA for their apertures. Yes, the Batis 25 f/2 could do a lot better with axial CA as well, but it is a stop faster (than the 24 f/2.8 G)...Show more →
Only to make it clear, I value your comments and am usually not in disagreement with the big majority of them ;-). My perspective is sometimes just a bit different. And being German, we often are a bit more direct, at least that is what I learned when doing research in the US.
Holger wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Holger wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Holger wrote
Strong? Not really in my opinion. I see these CAs around leaves and branches in the 35/1.2 DN, 35/1.4 GM, 50/1.4ZE and many other lenses. Easy to correct. It would be great if there were none of it, the bokeh smoother, lens cheaper, ... Will it ever happen? Will people ever be happy?Too many are obsessed with perfection. Too many are disappointed. Search for the holy grail.
In real life images, one often doesn't see an issue at all, like in your first image of the girl on the bank. Who cares about a tiny bit of green fringing around some tiny bokeh balls you only see when pixel peeping? Yes, it demonstrates the lens isn't perfect. None is. For me the lens is too slow, but it is another nice option many here seem to like.
Zeiss has slower lenses, too, but those are much more expensive and sometimes prone to CAs, too. My 25/2 Batis, for example, is not a glorious contender when it comes to CAs.
Only to make it clear, I value your comments and am usually not in disagreement with the big majority of them ;-). My perspective is sometimes just a bit different. And being German, we often are a bit more direct, at least that is what I learned when doing research in the US.
Mar 24, 2021 at 08:25 AM
p.25 #4Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Wonder if we'll see A7C kits with these. Say $2198 per kit, you choose the lens. That might just push me over the edge to buy a body new instead of used. Xmas 2021, $1999 deal on the A7C/40 and I'm in! Are you listening Sony.
Mar 24, 2021 at 09:05 AM
p.25 #5Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
derKoekje wrote:
So there's at least one reason to prefer Sigma over these clones by Sony.Implying the product is somehow inferior because it's made in China?
No not at all inferior, this has to do with China itself. we buy so much stuff from China and become dependent. whenever I can I try not to further support this country, also because of human rights and environmental concerns.
keepcoding wrote
Does anyone know where these are made? I bet its made in China.So there's at least one reason to prefer Sigma over these clones by Sony.
No not at all inferior, this has to do with China itself. we buy so much stuff from China and become dependent. whenever I can I try not to further support this country, also because of human rights and environmental concerns.
Mar 24, 2021 at 10:46 AM
p.25 #6Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
As a non lens expert, can someone compare the new Sony G 40/2.5 with the Batis 40/2 and Tamron 35/2.8? What is better/worse in terms of performance (price/size/weight I have looked up)?
Mar 24, 2021 at 12:43 PM
p.25 #7Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
tester_V wrote:
Thank God we have these lenses! I do not know how I lived without them.
We still do not have 200mm F2.8 or 300mm F4/2.8 or 400 F4/5.6 or 500 F4/5.6...
Thank you, Sony for understanding what is important, apparently it is 3 very slow lenses.
Still, no bird AF for anything but the $6500 camera, even Olympus has it now.
I guess I have to buy a new camera to get that...
Thanks tester_v for typing my rant for me.
I can't wait for the soon to be announced 37.5mm and 44mm as we clearly don't have this focal range covered yet, and nobody wants a 28mm or anything over 135mm.
I just hope the 200-600 actually works with the A1.
Thank God we have these lenses! I do not know how I lived without them.
We still do not have 200mm F2.8 or 300mm F4/2.8 or 400 F4/5.6 or 500 F4/5.6...
Thank you, Sony for understanding what is important, apparently it is 3 very slow lenses.
Still, no bird AF for anything but the $6500 camera, even Olympus has it now.
I guess I have to buy a new camera to get that...
Thanks tester_v for typing my rant for me.
I can't wait for the soon to be announced 37.5mm and 44mm as we clearly don't have this focal range covered yet, and nobody wants a 28mm or anything over 135mm.
I just hope the 200-600 actually works with the A1.
Mar 24, 2021 at 12:48 PM
p.25 #8Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but these do have EDU pricing (~$540) in effect at B&H for those eligible.
Mar 24, 2021 at 02:03 PM
p.25 #9Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Beni wrote:
stuuke wrote
Is there any reason they can't do a small and cheap 50 1.8? Coming from DSLRs that was pretty common.The Samyang 50mm f1.4 is kind of like that. It's a little less small and you have to deal with Samyang quality control but it renders very nicely.
Mar 24, 2021 at 05:53 PM
p.25 #10Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Huge distortion correction on 24mm..Lenstip review:
https://www.lenstip.com/603.11-Lens_review-Sony_FE_24_mm_f_2.8_G_Summary.html
https://www.lenstip.com/603.11-Lens_review-Sony_FE_24_mm_f_2.8_G_Summary.html
Mar 24, 2021 at 09:28 PM
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p.25 #11Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
I’m looking at these lenses as travel companions on my R3.
But the longer I look, the more certain I am that I’d rather just take my Sigma 24-70/2.8 and pay the weight penalty. I never have to change lenses and I get superb image quality with seven f2.8 primes wrapped up in one lens (24, 28, 35, 40, 50, 60, and 70).
But the longer I look, the more certain I am that I’d rather just take my Sigma 24-70/2.8 and pay the weight penalty. I never have to change lenses and I get superb image quality with seven f2.8 primes wrapped up in one lens (24, 28, 35, 40, 50, 60, and 70).
Mar 24, 2021 at 09:30 PM
p.25 #12Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
serhan_ wrote:
Huge distortion correction on 24mm..Lenstip review:
https://www.lenstip.com/603.11-Lens_review-Sony_FE_24_mm_f_2.8_G_Summary.html
From the review. It's indeed high barrel distortion:
from lenstip.com
Huge distortion correction on 24mm..Lenstip review:
https://www.lenstip.com/603.11-Lens_review-Sony_FE_24_mm_f_2.8_G_Summary.html
From the review. It's indeed high barrel distortion:
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Mar 24, 2021 at 10:06 PM
p.25 #13Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Whoa that is not good at all. Just remember fixing that will degrade the IQ . That's huge
I'm out on this one
So these are 600 but I wonder the 28-60 against these. Who wins the prize
I'm out on this one
So these are 600 but I wonder the 28-60 against these. Who wins the prize
Mar 24, 2021 at 10:12 PM
p.25 #14Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Fred Miranda wrote:
https://www.lenstip.com/603.11-Lens_review-Sony_FE_24_mm_f_2.8_G_Summary.htmlFrom the review. It's indeed high barrel distortion:
Yeah, that's massive. You can see it in the 'real world' (a studio) in Gerald's review and he's a little taken aback by it as well. It's really, noticeable. He also notes that it's wider, I guess Sony did that for the inevitable corruption.
serhan_ wrote
Huge distortion correction on 24mm..Lenstip review:https://www.lenstip.com/603.11-Lens_review-Sony_FE_24_mm_f_2.8_G_Summary.html
Yeah, that's massive. You can see it in the 'real world' (a studio) in Gerald's review and he's a little taken aback by it as well. It's really, noticeable. He also notes that it's wider, I guess Sony did that for the inevitable corruption.
Mar 24, 2021 at 10:25 PM
p.25 #15Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
derKoekje wrote:
keepcoding wrote
Does anyone know where these are made? I bet its made in China.So there's at least one reason to prefer Sigma over these clones by Sony.
Well it would indirectly support a genocidal regime in the CCP if they are in fact made in China, so I would certainly say that aspect is inferior.
Mar 24, 2021 at 10:45 PM
p.25 #16Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Whoa indeed. We always want to quantify things, this is just extraordinary. The Lenstip review gives us the figure for full frame distortion - it's 8.62%! There is always a price to be paid when corners are cut - no pun intended.
'If it weren't for the Sony GM lenses, Sony would be behind Sigma'
Just the entree, literally. Just wait until the main course when Sigma brings the full force of their design expertise to bear on premium level optics for Sony, as they surely will. They have done the hard yards, the next releases will be something special.
'If it weren't for the Sony GM lenses, Sony would be behind Sigma'
Just the entree, literally. Just wait until the main course when Sigma brings the full force of their design expertise to bear on premium level optics for Sony, as they surely will. They have done the hard yards, the next releases will be something special.
Mar 24, 2021 at 10:48 PM
p.25 #17Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
philip_pj wrote:
Whoa indeed. We always want to quantify things, this is just extraordinary. The Lenstip review gives us the figure for full frame distortion - it's 8.62%! There is always a price to be paid when corners are cut - no pun intended.
'If it weren't for the Sony GM lenses, Sony would be behind Sigma'
Just the entree, literally. Just wait until the main course when Sigma brings the full force of their design expertise to bear on premium level optics for Sony, as they surely will. They have done the hard yards, the next releases will be something special.
Have they not done that already with their superb ART lenses? Or are you referring to something else?
Whoa indeed. We always want to quantify things, this is just extraordinary. The Lenstip review gives us the figure for full frame distortion - it's 8.62%! There is always a price to be paid when corners are cut - no pun intended.
'If it weren't for the Sony GM lenses, Sony would be behind Sigma'
Just the entree, literally. Just wait until the main course when Sigma brings the full force of their design expertise to bear on premium level optics for Sony, as they surely will. They have done the hard yards, the next releases will be something special.
Have they not done that already with their superb ART lenses? Or are you referring to something else?
Mar 24, 2021 at 10:51 PM
p.25 #18Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Fred Miranda wrote:
https://www.lenstip.com/603.11-Lens_review-Sony_FE_24_mm_f_2.8_G_Summary.htmlFrom the review. It's indeed high barrel distortion:
Hmmm, I wonder what the field curvature is going to be like if that's what the distortion is and how many other corners were cut. This distortion makes the Tamron's look ok in comparison, they're $200 and the focus speed is fine for AFC on my A7r4.
serhan_ wrote
Huge distortion correction on 24mm..Lenstip review:https://www.lenstip.com/603.11-Lens_review-Sony_FE_24_mm_f_2.8_G_Summary.html
Hmmm, I wonder what the field curvature is going to be like if that's what the distortion is and how many other corners were cut. This distortion makes the Tamron's look ok in comparison, they're $200 and the focus speed is fine for AFC on my A7r4.
Mar 24, 2021 at 10:55 PM
p.25 #19Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Beni wrote:
Fred Miranda wrote
serhan_ wrote
Huge distortion correction on 24mm..Lenstip review:https://www.lenstip.com/603.11-Lens_review-Sony_FE_24_mm_f_2.8_G_Summary.html
Field curvature is bad on the 24mm. It's not flat at all. Seems to be very good on the 40 and 50 though. You should watch Gerald Undone's video if you're interested.
Mar 24, 2021 at 11:09 PM
p.25 #20Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Fred Miranda wrote:
https://www.lenstip.com/603.11-Lens_review-Sony_FE_24_mm_f_2.8_G_Summary.htmlFrom the review. It's indeed high barrel distortion:
Looks like Shel Silverstein tried to draw a grid.
Reminds me of the FE 28. But even much worse—and that lens is know for its bad distortion.
serhan_ wrote
Huge distortion correction on 24mm..Lenstip review:https://www.lenstip.com/603.11-Lens_review-Sony_FE_24_mm_f_2.8_G_Summary.html
Looks like Shel Silverstein tried to draw a grid.
Reminds me of the FE 28. But even much worse—and that lens is know for its bad distortion.
Mar 25, 2021 at 12:33 AM