Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
p.14 #1Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Alaarx wrote:
For a lens like this I an 100% about the rendering. Give me dreamy, soft rolloff and Nikon 58mm bokeh please Sony.
I have more than enough technically excellent lenses and for it's use case I'd like a bit of character. People interested in MTF curves will probably be at F11 anyway
Doesn't look like it so far, modern soulless all the way. But look at those sharp corners! They're all an image ever needs!
I should add that Sony are between a rock and a hard place, catch 22. If they make a character lens the Canon and Nikonites will say they can't do f1.2 with the narrower lens mount or that they don't have the prowess to make a 'modern' 1.2 lens.
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For a lens like this I an 100% about the rendering. Give me dreamy, soft rolloff and Nikon 58mm bokeh please Sony.
I have more than enough technically excellent lenses and for it's use case I'd like a bit of character. People interested in MTF curves will probably be at F11 anyway
Doesn't look like it so far, modern soulless all the way. But look at those sharp corners! They're all an image ever needs!
I should add that Sony are between a rock and a hard place, catch 22. If they make a character lens the Canon and Nikonites will say they can't do f1.2 with the narrower lens mount or that they don't have the prowess to make a 'modern' 1.2 lens.
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Mar 16, 2021 at 09:13 AM
p.14 #2Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
bjornthun wrote:
https://www.sony.com/electronics/camera-lenses/sel50f12gmLooks surprisingly good for the speed on LensTip.
https://www.lenstip.com/601.5-Lens_review-Sony_FE_50_mm_f_1.2_GM_Chromatic_and_spherical_aberration.htmlLenstip also gives an «Editor’s Choice» award to the new Sony 50/1.2 GM.
Fantastic lp/mm wide open, even higher than the 35 GM at f1.4!
Must have for me!
MAubrey wrote
keepcoding wrote
interesting design choice: 3 XA elements, but no other special elements. wouldn't expect particularly good LoCA performance...https://www.sony.com/electronics/camera-lenses/sel50f12gm
https://www.lenstip.com/601.5-Lens_review-Sony_FE_50_mm_f_1.2_GM_Chromatic_and_spherical_aberration.html
Fantastic lp/mm wide open, even higher than the 35 GM at f1.4!
Must have for me!
Mar 16, 2021 at 09:20 AM
p.14 #3Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Holger wrote:
The 55/1.8 is a small, light and fantastic lens. What don't you like about it?
The 55, for me, is a bit of a Dr. Jeckyll & Mr. Hyde lens, I think. It has awful bokeh fringing, like truly awful, and bright spots or light sources in the background can can get messy, very cluttered inner circles. But when there are no such things in the background, rendering is very nice with very smooth falloff in focus transition zones. Performance aside, I had 3 copies, all with QC issues; two with severely tilted plane of focus. That's why I got rid of mine. Now, I think the Sigma 45 does what I wanted the 55 to do, only better. I miss the light, but I can deal.
itai195 wrote
Yeah... hopefully Sigma delivers something like that. I'd even take a 50/1.8 or 50/2 depending on the compromises (price, optics). I'd be in the market for this Sony if I were more of a 50mm shooter, but I'm putting my pennies into a 35GM instead. I'm impressed it at least doesn't appear to be obscenely large and heavy from rumors so far.The 55, for me, is a bit of a Dr. Jeckyll & Mr. Hyde lens, I think. It has awful bokeh fringing, like truly awful, and bright spots or light sources in the background can can get messy, very cluttered inner circles. But when there are no such things in the background, rendering is very nice with very smooth falloff in focus transition zones. Performance aside, I had 3 copies, all with QC issues; two with severely tilted plane of focus. That's why I got rid of mine. Now, I think the Sigma 45 does what I wanted the 55 to do, only better. I miss the light, but I can deal.
Mar 16, 2021 at 09:22 AM
p.14 #4Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Argh - so do I upgrade my 35/1.4 ZA, or do I upgrade my 50/1.4 ZA? Decisions, decisions... 
Mar 16, 2021 at 09:23 AM
p.14 #5Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Holger wrote:
https://www.sony.com/electronics/camera-lenses/sel50f12gmLooks surprisingly good for the speed on LensTip.
https://www.lenstip.com/601.5-Lens_review-Sony_FE_50_mm_f_1.2_GM_Chromatic_and_spherical_aberration.htmlLenstip also gives an «Editor’s Choice» award to the new Sony 50/1.2 GM.Fantastic lp/mm wide open, even higher than the 35 GM at f1.4!
Must have for me!
Sharper at f/1.2 than the 55/1.8 at any aperture. That's impressive, truly. Still not a lens I'd spend that much money on, but they appear to have made a nice trade off at f/1.2 to get super sharp center with only good borders...as it should be IMO. I look forward to some bokeh analysis.
bjornthun wrote
MAubrey wrote
keepcoding wrote
interesting design choice: 3 XA elements, but no other special elements. wouldn't expect particularly good LoCA performance...https://www.sony.com/electronics/camera-lenses/sel50f12gm
https://www.lenstip.com/601.5-Lens_review-Sony_FE_50_mm_f_1.2_GM_Chromatic_and_spherical_aberration.html
Must have for me!
Sharper at f/1.2 than the 55/1.8 at any aperture. That's impressive, truly. Still not a lens I'd spend that much money on, but they appear to have made a nice trade off at f/1.2 to get super sharp center with only good borders...as it should be IMO. I look forward to some bokeh analysis.
Mar 16, 2021 at 09:25 AM
p.14 #6Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Dave Sanders wrote:
The 55/1.8 is a small, light and fantastic lens. What don't you like about it?The 55, for me, is a bit of a Dr. Jeckyll & Mr. Hyde lens, I think. It has awful bokeh fringing, like truly awful, and bright spots or light sources in the background can can get messy, very cluttered inner circles. But when there are no such things in the background, rendering is very nice with very smooth falloff in focus transition zones. Performance aside, I had 3 copies, all with QC issues; two with severely tilted plane of focus. That's why I got rid of mine. Now, I think the Sigma 45 does what I wanted the...Show more →
I got lucky. Have a great copy, but now the 50 GM will be bought, too, one or two of our 50s need to go, maybe even the 55.
Holger wrote
itai195 wrote
Yeah... hopefully Sigma delivers something like that. I'd even take a 50/1.8 or 50/2 depending on the compromises (price, optics). I'd be in the market for this Sony if I were more of a 50mm shooter, but I'm putting my pennies into a 35GM instead. I'm impressed it at least doesn't appear to be obscenely large and heavy from rumors so far.I got lucky. Have a great copy, but now the 50 GM will be bought, too, one or two of our 50s need to go, maybe even the 55.
Mar 16, 2021 at 09:26 AM
p.14 #7Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Dave Sanders wrote:
The 55/1.8 is a small, light and fantastic lens. What don't you like about it?The 55, for me, is a bit of a Dr. Jeckyll & Mr. Hyde lens, I think. It has awful bokeh fringing, like truly awful, and bright spots or light sources in the background can can get messy, very cluttered inner circles. But when there are no such things in the background, rendering is very nice with very smooth falloff in focus transition zones. Performance aside, I had 3 copies, all with QC issues; two with severely tilted plane of focus. That's why I got rid of mine. Now, I think the Sigma 45 does what I wanted the...Show more →
Agree with this. Also, on a more pedantic level, I really want all my primes to have aperture rings these days. The 55 is fine, just not something worth owning for me in a world where the 45mm exists.
Holger wrote
itai195 wrote
Yeah... hopefully Sigma delivers something like that. I'd even take a 50/1.8 or 50/2 depending on the compromises (price, optics). I'd be in the market for this Sony if I were more of a 50mm shooter, but I'm putting my pennies into a 35GM instead. I'm impressed it at least doesn't appear to be obscenely large and heavy from rumors so far.Agree with this. Also, on a more pedantic level, I really want all my primes to have aperture rings these days. The 55 is fine, just not something worth owning for me in a world where the 45mm exists.
Mar 16, 2021 at 09:28 AM
p.14 #8Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Mark Galer has just posted his review of the lens.
https://youtu.be/N9vOc_3uCmM
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https://youtu.be/N9vOc_3uCmM
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Mar 16, 2021 at 09:36 AM
p.14 #9Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
keepcoding wrote:
Lots of samples by Mark Galer: https://www.flickr.com/photos/markgaler/sets/72157718647687843/with/51037385392/
Whoa, is it only my taste or is this way too much background separation in these samples? Looks quite unnatural to me ...
Perhaps I should not look to replace my 55 with this lens (in a year when prices settle), but see this as a good opportunity to get a used 50 ZA. Still, impressive lens.
Lots of samples by Mark Galer: https://www.flickr.com/photos/markgaler/sets/72157718647687843/with/51037385392/
Whoa, is it only my taste or is this way too much background separation in these samples? Looks quite unnatural to me ...
Perhaps I should not look to replace my 55 with this lens (in a year when prices settle), but see this as a good opportunity to get a used 50 ZA. Still, impressive lens.
Mar 16, 2021 at 09:36 AM
p.14 #10Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Corner sharpness, hm...
lenstip samples:https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.JPG]https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.JPG[/url]
My Sony Zeiss 50mm f1.4 looks better (at f1.4)...
Otherwise I like the first pictures very much.
lenstip samples:https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.JPG]https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.JPG[/url]
My Sony Zeiss 50mm f1.4 looks better (at f1.4)...
Otherwise I like the first pictures very much.
Mar 16, 2021 at 09:37 AM
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p.14 #11Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
HelBen85 wrote:
Corner sharpness, hm...
lenstip samples:https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.jpg]https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.jpg[/url]
My Sony Zeiss 50mm f1.4 looks better (at f1.4)...
Otherwise I like the first pictures very much.
Lenstip samples always look soft... I don't know how they shoot them, but it seems that they deactivate any sharpness slider they can find.
Corner sharpness, hm...
lenstip samples:https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.jpg]https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.jpg[/url]
My Sony Zeiss 50mm f1.4 looks better (at f1.4)...
Otherwise I like the first pictures very much.
Lenstip samples always look soft... I don't know how they shoot them, but it seems that they deactivate any sharpness slider they can find.
Mar 16, 2021 at 09:40 AM
p.14 #12Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Ayoul wrote:
lenstip samples:https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.jpg]https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.jpg[/url]
My Sony Zeiss 50mm f1.4 looks better (at f1.4)...
Otherwise I like the first pictures very much.Lenstip samples always look soft... I don't know how they shoot them, but it seems that they deactivate any sharpness slider they can find.
The center is quite sharp. Difference is huge.
HelBen85 wrote
Corner sharpness, hm...lenstip samples:https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.jpg]https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.jpg[/url]
My Sony Zeiss 50mm f1.4 looks better (at f1.4)...
Otherwise I like the first pictures very much.
The center is quite sharp. Difference is huge.
Mar 16, 2021 at 09:42 AM
p.14 #13Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
HelBen85 wrote:
Corner sharpness, hm...
lenstip samples:https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.jpg]https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.jpg[/url]
My Sony Zeiss 50mm f1.4 looks better (at f1.4)...
Otherwise I like the first pictures very much.
We will see, I doubt it. We have field curvature to consider, too. The 50/1.4 has a significant midzone dip, shown by DPreview in their review and lensrentals optical bench measurements.
For me at f1.2/f1.4 I would like to have the inner 2/3rds of the image circle to be sharp and dont care about the very corners at all!
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Corner sharpness, hm...
lenstip samples:https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.jpg]https://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50GM/son50_fot01.jpg[/url]
My Sony Zeiss 50mm f1.4 looks better (at f1.4)...
Otherwise I like the first pictures very much.
We will see, I doubt it. We have field curvature to consider, too. The 50/1.4 has a significant midzone dip, shown by DPreview in their review and lensrentals optical bench measurements.
For me at f1.2/f1.4 I would like to have the inner 2/3rds of the image circle to be sharp and dont care about the very corners at all!
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Mar 16, 2021 at 09:47 AM
p.14 #14Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
itai195 wrote:
The 55/1.8 is a small, light and fantastic lens. What don't you like about it?The 55, for me, is a bit of a Dr. Jeckyll & Mr. Hyde lens, I think. It has awful bokeh fringing, like truly awful, and bright spots or light sources in the background can can get messy, very cluttered inner circles. But when there are no such things in the background, rendering is very nice with very smooth falloff in focus transition zones. Performance aside, I had 3 copies, all with QC issues; two with severely tilted plane of focus. That's why I got rid of mine. Now, I think the Sigma 45 does what I wanted the 55 to do, only better. I miss the light, but I can deal.Agree with this. Also, on a more pedantic level, I really want all my primes to have aperture rings these days. The 55 is fine, just not something worth owning for me in a world where the 45mm exists.
Agreed. Being an 'A' mode shooter when my camera isn't on a tripod, I've always loved having an aperture ring. That was the hardest transition for me when I shot Nikon, upgrading my 'D' lenses to 'AF-S' meant giving up the aperture ring. Now that Sony and Sigma have brought them back, I don't know if I can go without. I just like the them. I use Loxia lenses for landscape shooting but borrow the Batis 135 sometimes...I love that lens' performance but I'm always reaching for a (non-existant) aperture ring. Amazing how quickly my brain has reverted to its natural state so now I fumble around without one.
I think, in the future, I'll be quite content with Sigma and Sony GM lenses...
Dave Sanders wrote
Holger wrote
itai195 wrote
Yeah... hopefully Sigma delivers something like that. I'd even take a 50/1.8 or 50/2 depending on the compromises (price, optics). I'd be in the market for this Sony if I were more of a 50mm shooter, but I'm putting my pennies into a 35GM instead. I'm impressed it at least doesn't appear to be obscenely large and heavy from rumors so far.Agreed. Being an 'A' mode shooter when my camera isn't on a tripod, I've always loved having an aperture ring. That was the hardest transition for me when I shot Nikon, upgrading my 'D' lenses to 'AF-S' meant giving up the aperture ring. Now that Sony and Sigma have brought them back, I don't know if I can go without. I just like the them. I use Loxia lenses for landscape shooting but borrow the Batis 135 sometimes...I love that lens' performance but I'm always reaching for a (non-existant) aperture ring. Amazing how quickly my brain has reverted to its natural state so now I fumble around without one.
I think, in the future, I'll be quite content with Sigma and Sony GM lenses...
Mar 16, 2021 at 09:48 AM
p.14 #15Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Ummon wrote:
Whoa, is it only my taste or is this way too much background separation in these samples? Looks quite unnatural to me ...
Perhaps I should not look to replace my 55 with this lens (in a year when prices settle), but see this as a good opportunity to get a used 50 ZA. Still, impressive lens.
Yes, very unnatural...not my taste. Looks like the subjects were just pasted into the scene.
keepcoding wrote
Lots of samples by Mark Galer: https://www.flickr.com/photos/markgaler/sets/72157718647687843/with/51037385392/Perhaps I should not look to replace my 55 with this lens (in a year when prices settle), but see this as a good opportunity to get a used 50 ZA. Still, impressive lens.
Yes, very unnatural...not my taste. Looks like the subjects were just pasted into the scene.
Mar 16, 2021 at 09:48 AM
p.14 #16Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
chez wrote:
Whoa, is it only my taste or is this way too much background separation in these samples? Looks quite unnatural to me ...
Perhaps I should not look to replace my 55 with this lens (in a year when prices settle), but see this as a good opportunity to get a used 50 ZA. Still, impressive lens.Yes, very unnatural...not my taste. Looks like the subjects were just pasted into the scene.
It is just for demonstration. The nice thing about 1.2 is to use it at larger distances to still get a nice blur of the background, but still get an idea of the surroundings.
I don't like f1.2 to be used a MFD, same thing as using a 200/2 or 135/1.8 wide open when being too close.
Ummon wrote
keepcoding wrote
Lots of samples by Mark Galer: https://www.flickr.com/photos/markgaler/sets/72157718647687843/with/51037385392/Perhaps I should not look to replace my 55 with this lens (in a year when prices settle), but see this as a good opportunity to get a used 50 ZA. Still, impressive lens.
It is just for demonstration. The nice thing about 1.2 is to use it at larger distances to still get a nice blur of the background, but still get an idea of the surroundings.
I don't like f1.2 to be used a MFD, same thing as using a 200/2 or 135/1.8 wide open when being too close.
Mar 16, 2021 at 10:02 AM
p.14 #17Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
There are very strong PDAF stripes in this image at timestamp 2:29 in Julia Trotti review https://youtu.be/_XAzD0dpkW8?t=149
Some lenses are more prone to produce it with A7iii, for example 85/1.8G produces it more than others. At least that is mentioned here: https://www.dpreview.com/news/6974141509/sony-striping-heres-the-fix
So it looks like 50GM can produce it in backlit situations too.
Edit: Also visible with other pictures, but not as strong as the one above
at 3:23, 5:10, with A7C: 10:07 (weak in hair)
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Some lenses are more prone to produce it with A7iii, for example 85/1.8G produces it more than others. At least that is mentioned here: https://www.dpreview.com/news/6974141509/sony-striping-heres-the-fix
So it looks like 50GM can produce it in backlit situations too.
Edit: Also visible with other pictures, but not as strong as the one above
at 3:23, 5:10, with A7C: 10:07 (weak in hair)
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Mar 16, 2021 at 10:04 AM
p.14 #18Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
jtra wrote:
There are very strong PDAF stripes in this image at timestamp 2:29 in Julia Trotti review https://youtu.be/_XAzD0dpkW8?t=149
Some lenses are more prone to produce it with A7iii, for example 85/1.8G produces it more than others. At least that is mentioned here: https://www.dpreview.com/news/6974141509/sony-striping-heres-the-fix
So it looks like 50GM can produce it in backlit situations too.
That's such a non-issue. I've shot thousands of photos and only had it occur once. It's pretty easily fixed.
There are very strong PDAF stripes in this image at timestamp 2:29 in Julia Trotti review https://youtu.be/_XAzD0dpkW8?t=149
Some lenses are more prone to produce it with A7iii, for example 85/1.8G produces it more than others. At least that is mentioned here: https://www.dpreview.com/news/6974141509/sony-striping-heres-the-fix
So it looks like 50GM can produce it in backlit situations too.
That's such a non-issue. I've shot thousands of photos and only had it occur once. It's pretty easily fixed.
Mar 16, 2021 at 10:15 AM
p.14 #19Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Ummon wrote:
Whoa, is it only my taste or is this way too much background separation in these samples? Looks quite unnatural to me ...
Perhaps I should not look to replace my 55 with this lens (in a year when prices settle), but see this as a good opportunity to get a used 50 ZA. Still, impressive lens.
Maybe you just don't like F1.2 lenses? There is a thing as too much bokeh. I mean not for me, but for people.
keepcoding wrote
Lots of samples by Mark Galer: https://www.flickr.com/photos/markgaler/sets/72157718647687843/with/51037385392/Perhaps I should not look to replace my 55 with this lens (in a year when prices settle), but see this as a good opportunity to get a used 50 ZA. Still, impressive lens.
Maybe you just don't like F1.2 lenses? There is a thing as too much bokeh. I mean not for me, but for people.
Mar 16, 2021 at 10:21 AM
p.14 #20Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
What about waiting for the birds to get close to it 😊
arbitrage wrote:
Hard to get close enough to a bird with a 50mm lens. I'd save that cash for the A1 if I were you
arbitrage wrote:
Colin F wrote
That's $2750 Canadian - ouch.Mar 16, 2021 at 10:22 AM