p.28 #1 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
bjornthun wrote:
Never had a camera body fail due to its size, small or large. Anything from Olympus E-P2 to Nikon D800 including Leica M9, nothing ever failed due to size. Not even old manual focus film SLRs like Nikon FM2 or Olympus OM-1.
More important than you, or me, is all users.
I've seen countless bodies cracked or damaged. Even broke a small weak body myself one time in Redwood National Park. Seeing that the preponderance of the obvious circumvents your experience or my experience, the simple fact the body has little extra space remains a simple fact.
A body can do, what a body can do. Whatever it is, is what it is.
And each buyer can figure out if it meets their wants. For plenty, it should be smooth sailing.
p.28 #2 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
mdvaden wrote:
The primary point of my post above deals with "armor" or toughness residing within camera bodies.
Anything else in my post, all points back to whether the toughness matters or not for whomever, regardless what size lenses they shoot with.
No matter how "tough" a camera is...they still can break as sh*t happens. I was shooting the Kumb Mela bathing ceremony from the Ganges waste deep in water. I saw 3 Canon cameras go under water and became toast. Unfortunately for 2 of these photogs, they had no spare so they were done for the day...in fact done for their once in a lifetime trip.
Moral of this story, if shooting is important for you, carry spares. Don't rely on your "tough" camera to save you as every camera can fail. Bottom line.
p.28 #3 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
mdvaden wrote:
Again .. you need to pay attention to the general context of what people are writing.
It would take no data to understand that there's little to no space in a small body like for added tough material. It does not mean the body is weak, but space is limited.
Especially with 8K video, it may be bad to add "armor" as I called it.
Look, I know your schtick, but if you're going to make a point, try to make a valid one instead of wasting our time. You're insinuating that the Sony bodies NEED more "armor", whatever the hell that means. Please provide evidence to support your claim instead of throwing out nebulous ideas that 8K and smaller form factors mean something negative.
I've used my Alphas in 110 degree heat in the desert, in below freezing during snowstorms, and in rainstorms. I have no hesitancy calling these bodies "tough", at least in the latest body formfactor.
p.28 #4 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
danwu wrote:
I know this is a silly question. Can someone confirm that with H+ 30fps, A1’s EVF is still real_time?
Thanks
Without a camera in my hand I can't say for sure but I'm about 99.9% sure it is. The only limitations to 30FPS is you need a supported lens, the EVF drops to 120 refresh rate, the RAWs are compressed and the EVF zooms back out to show the surrounding black bars.
The video that was showing buffer clearing at 30FPS seemed to be a live feed to me but I guess you can't tell for sure.
p.28 #5 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
RoamingScott wrote:
Look, I know your schtick, but if you're going to make a point, try to make a valid one instead of wasting our time. .
We realize that you know your "schtick".
But nobody needs data staring at a Sony A1 or any body that small to know that space is extremely limited or maxed-out. Seeing that obvious is logically obvious to an average person.
p.28 #6 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
RoamingScott wrote:
Look, I know your schtick, but if you're going to make a point, try to make a valid one instead of wasting our time. You're insinuating that the Sony bodies NEED more "armor", whatever the hell that means. Please provide evidence to support your claim instead of throwing out nebulous ideas that 8K and smaller form factors mean something negative.
I've used my Alphas in 110 degree heat in the desert, in below freezing during snowstorms, and in rainstorms. I have no hesitancy calling these bodies "tough", at least in the latest body formfactor.
Not to mention AP have chosen Alpha cameras as their go to cameras. I highly doubt if AP thought Sony cameras could not stand their abuse in the field, they would have chosen Sony. Last thing they'd want is a unreliable camera when the action starts.
p.28 #7 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
mdvaden wrote:
We realize that you know your "schtick".
But nobody needs data staring at a Sony A1 or any body that small to know that space is extremely limited or maxed-out. Seeing that obvious is logically obvious to an average person.
But what does that have to do with reliability? My phone is crammed very tight...yet I've dropped it hundreds of times without any problems. Do you even know what you are talking about?
p.28 #8 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
chez wrote:
No matter how "tough" a camera is...they still can break as sh*t happens. I was shooting the Kumb Mela bathing ceremony from the Ganges waste deep in water. I saw 3 Canon cameras go under water and became toast. Unfortunately for 2 of these photogs, they had no spare so they were done for the day...in fact done for their once in a lifetime trip.
Exactly .. anything can break. Almost as exact, is that weaker things usually break easier.
It may boil down to budget, insurance, and as you said "extras".
On the other hand, I'd prefer not to stop and mount a spare if I need to get moving. I recall one time 15 miles on gravel with a hiking group. My truck got two flats one way, and nobody else with cars or trucks got any spares. And remarkably, the flats were 5 minutes apart, with 50% tread remaining. I upgraded to 10 ply tires, with no more flats.
So a spare helped. 10 ply helped much more in the long run.
p.28 #9 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
mdvaden wrote:
Exactly .. anything can break. Almost as exact, is that weaker things usually break easier.
It may boil down to budget, insurance, and as you said "extras".
On the other hand, I'd prefer not to stop and mount a spare if I need to get moving. I recall one time 15 miles on gravel with a hiking group. My truck got two flats one way, and nobody else with cars or trucks got any spares. I upgraded to 10 ply tires.
So a spare helped. 10 ply helped much more in the long run.
Yes, I and others around us have dropped their phone and seen them crack and not function, or also continue. Where you pointed to one aspect to sound right, we've seen both results noting there's a difference between phones with no case vs. cameras in rubber cases.
What else have you dropped? Feel free to list whatever you wish.
p.28 #10 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
chez wrote:
Not to mention AP have chosen Alpha cameras as their go to cameras. I highly doubt if AP thought Sony cameras could not stand their abuse in the field, they would have chosen Sony. Last thing they'd want is a unreliable camera when the action starts.
My Sony Alpha cameras have performed flawlessly at 113°F (Botswana) and -30°F (Manitoba Canada). At 113°F, my Mac laptop had its fans going constantly and slowed down, but my cameras kept going. So I agree that larger bodies do not appear to be necessary for resilience.
p.28 #11 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
mdvaden wrote:
But nobody needs data staring at a Sony A1 or any body that small to know that space is extremely limited or maxed-out. Seeing that obvious is logically obvious to an average person.
I am really wondering how much space is really being saved in the general camera guts after removing everything associated with the mirror, optical viewfinder, separate focusing sensors and all the rest associated with SLR technology. I look at how small it is possible to make mirrorless point and shoot cameras and that small SLR cameras were never really made.
It is likely there is the same amount of room inside a smaller ICL mirrorless as there is inside an SLR once the SLR guts are accounted for.
One thing that is obvious is that there are far more parts (many moving) to break in an SLR camera than there are in a mirrorless ICL camera. It is logical that more parts means more opportunities for things to break.
I will also note that the shock proof, waterproof, durable cameras on the market are all small digital, mirrorless, point and shoot cameras. Size doesn't seem to be an advantage at all, mirrorless does.
The Sony a1 It looks like Sony made considerable effort to make sure the a1 is weather resistant and shock resistant. Both in the design and materials used.
p.28 #12 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
I'm sure there is some correlation between amount of shock proofing vs weight vs inertia. I would think a smaller/lighter body would need less "armor" to prevent damage.
p.28 #13 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
Thank you for sharing your thought. The video looks very promising. I guess we will know for sure when having the camera in hands or the manual.
arbitrage wrote:
Without a camera in my hand I can't say for sure but I'm about 99.9% sure it is. The only limitations to 30FPS is you need a supported lens, the EVF drops to 120 refresh rate, the RAWs are compressed and the EVF zooms back out to show the surrounding black bars.
The video that was showing buffer clearing at 30FPS seemed to be a live feed to me but I guess you can't tell for sure.
p.28 #19 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
realVivek wrote:
I am not sure if the sensor glass is more delicate or the shutter blades.
I think this is to decrease dust entry rather than protect the sensor from any physical harm. I suppose if you do damage the blades the electronic shutter would probably still work.
p.28 #20 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
webmstrk9 wrote:
I don't recall this being mentioned on any unboxings or initial announcements
The A9II already has that feature after a FW update awhile back. I'm still undecided if it is riskier to have the shutter exposed or the sensor. I have been using that feature on the A9II.
