p.53 #1 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
scalanc2 wrote:
Personally I do not care too much to handle a weight of 0.7 kg or so.
I do not understand the reason why people is so concerned about ultra light lenses.
We all manage zooms for all the day and a 35 must be super light.
WHY!!!
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Try carrying your camera / lens around your neck everyday, all day for 3 weeks and you'll quickly realize why some of us that travel value light compact lenses.
p.53 #2 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I usually do.
Since many years.
An don’t tell me that 200 gr. makes the difference.
For sure I also prefer light stuff but with no trade in quality.
I also know that perfect lenses are not of this world.
This Sony lens is great for some aspects like resolution, dimensions, weight af performances etc. , I don’t know yet.
But for some others like CA, FB, vignetting and bokeh/rendering is nothing more than ordinary to my eyes. Possibly once I make use of it I will change my opinion but at the moment unfortunately it is not so.
p.53 #3 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
wind30 wrote:
... I don't care about sharpness be the neon green branches of the gm pic screams at me...
It is one of the worst LoCA samples I have seen from the 35mm gm.
Edit: went to the page and those were heavily cropped. I thought it was uncropped...
you can see the sigma has less LoCA too
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scalanc2 wrote:
CA seems to be a problem on this lens.
Important or not import it is there clearly visible in many pictures.
This one and focus breathing.
On the other side many aspects are top level.
But still not a perfect lens as all others.
Remember when the Sigma 35/1.2 Art was released and we had pages and pages of complaints about its LoCA correction?
None of these 35mm lenses are super corrected for axial CA. Not even the big Sigma.
The best I've seen so far is the Canon 35/1.4L II but rendering is not smooth. There are trade-offs.
Some fringing actually helps rendering. Background foliage with green fringing around the edges helps smooth the edges of specular highlights.
Do we really want clinical super corrected lenses?
p.53 #4 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I'm kind of hoping that the 35 GM will render similarly to my 35mm Leica APO Summicron-SL... and that, if so, Sony releases a 50mm 1.4 GM. The only focal lengths I use on the Leica are 35, 50 and 90. I preordered the Alpha 1 and hope to be able to consolidate everything into one system.
p.53 #5 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
scalanc2 wrote:
I usually do.
Since many years.
An don’t tell me that 200 gr. makes the difference.
For sure I also prefer light stuff but with no trade in quality.
I also know that perfect lenses are not of this world.
This Sony lens is great for some aspects like resolution, dimensions, weight af performances etc. , I don’t know yet.
But for some others like CA, FB, vignetting and bokeh/rendering is nothing more than ordinary to my eyes. Possibly once I make use of it I will change my opinion but at the moment unfortunately it is not so.
It's OK for you to Like your Sigma. It's a nice lens. But from what I have seen the Sony matches it in a smaller package. Doesn't make your Sigma any worse. Just enjoy it if you don't mind the extra size and weight. No need to defend your purchase to anyone here
p.53 #6 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Steve Spencer wrote:
A really good question. I don't like most 35mm lenses and all that I really like are manual focus. Three that I like follow a lineage. One of my favorite rendering 35mm lenses of all time, is the Zeiss C/Y 35 f/1.4. It has a lot of weaknesses, however, with a lot of axial CA and the bokeh can be challenging at times, but when it gets it right it is lovely. I also very much like the Zeiss ZE/ZF/ZF.2 35 f/1.4 which is obviously related. It is slightly easier to shoot, with really nice bokeh, but still a lot of axial CA. There is also some funkiness as you get to the edges and corners that I think is probably due to fairly high astigmatism there. Finally, I also really like the Zeiss Milvus 35 f/1.4. It cleans up most of the axial CA and the funkiness in the edges and corners of the ZE/ZF/ZF.2 version and although the bokeh isn't quite as good, it is still really nice, IMO. The progression that Zeiss chose here, however, meant that each time the lens got bigger and bigger. The C/Y 35 f/1.4 is already bigger than I would like to use and the Milvus is just huge. I ended up getting rid of the of the Milvus because it was just way too big.
For smaller size I am planning to get the CV 35 f/1.2 III. I think I will like its rendering from all I have seen. It is not ideal either with quite a bit of axial CA and bokeh that is a little busy at times, but I think I can be quite happy with it. I have never had an RX1 or RX1r. I love what I have seen from that camera, and I like very much the compromises they made when designing that lens for that camera. It is probably the best rendering 35mm, but I would mention one other lens that I had and really liked for rendering, the Leica R 35 f/2. It has terrible corners and quite a bit of CA (both lateral and axial), but also lovely bokeh and for portraits I very much liked the rendering.
So, I guess I didn't answer your question. What rendering of these I like do I like best? Probably the RX1/RX1r, but I have never shot that. Of the ones I have shot probably the Milvus 35 f/1.4 but it is huge. I know you really like the Pentax 31 f/1.8 Limited, which I didn't include. It would be right up there with the others from all I have seen, but it is a lens I have always wanted to try but never have. I think this 35 GM could be right up there with the Pentax 31 Limited, but probably with a bit better CA correction and a bit worse rendering and not much bigger in size. For ease of use I would probably pick the 35 GM over even the very nice 31 Limited.
PS: I didn't notice the any format in your original post. If I can include a bigger format, then my clear favorite for this field of view would be the Fuji GF 45 f/2.8 for the Fuji GFX system, which is about a 35 f/2 equivalent in FF 35mm. It comes close to my ideal. It is reasonably sharp, but not incredibly so. It has fairly low CA but didn't try to totally eliminate CA. It used a more moderate aperture to keep the size down (it is just under 500g), and it has a lovely rendering including very nice bokeh. Some Fuji MF people complain they wish it were faster, but I find it to be a wonderful lens....Show more →
+1 on the RX1 and the Zeiss 35/1.4 "Classic".
Both are amazing.
I also like the 35/2 "Classic".
Slightly less flexible than the 1.4 but what pop. Lighter too.
p.53 #7 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
nhsonyshooter wrote:
It's OK for you to Like your Sigma. It's a nice lens. But from what I have seen the Sony matches it in a smaller package. Doesn't make your Sigma any worse. Just enjoy it if you don't mind the extra size and weight. No need to defend you purchase to anyone here
To an extent both camps (Bigma owners and GM purchasers) are trying to defend their forts. Sony ambassadors are paid promoters and that's why you see the misfocused Bigma images being pushed as less sharper images.
Sony is sharper, smaller, lighter, and cheaper and you can argue that its IQ is as good as Sigma if not better. IMO bokeh and rendering are better on Sigma and it produces a more pronounced 3D effect due to vignetting and even shallower DOF (sweet f/1.2). I am most likely going to jump ship to the GM from Bigma, as I prefer smaller and lighter lenses, but as I just purchased Bigma, I am in no rush. I am just waiting for $1088 EDU pricing (current 24GM price) at the end of year to purchase the GM. My real problem is that I find it difficult to part with my favorite lenses, so I will most likely end up with both GM and the Bigma.
p.53 #8 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
ramesesthe2nd wrote:
To an extent both camps (Bigma owners and GM purchasers) are trying to defend their forts. Sony ambassadors are paid promoters and that's why you see the misfocused Bigma images being pushed as less sharper images.
p.53 #9 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
DaveFP wrote:
You are accusing them of fraud?
Anything to back your claim?
Did you not see the video and the provided samples? Are you telling me that a guy who shoots professionally accidently posted misfocused samples to prove Sony was sharper?
p.53 #11 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I don't think there's anything fishy going on behind the scenes... it's just that the GM is exceptionally sharp so that when you compare them directly, you get the impression that the Sigma is slightly soft.
Even on the Lego pictures with nearly the same focus point (checked with A7Info) the GM is visibly sharper and the same can be seen at infinity in cameralabs test:
p.53 #12 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
ramesesthe2nd wrote:
Did you not see the video and the provided samples? Are you telling me that a guy who shoots professionally accidently posted misfocused samples to prove Sony was sharper?
I don't understand what you are talking about or implying.
lenstip.com showed 66 vs. 50 lp/mm wide open in the center and that should be visible. the cameralabs.com review shows difference when cropping in to 100% and more (looks like 200% to me) in line with these measurements by lenstip. The fantastic Sigma was even bested by the Sony.
p.53 #13 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
This is exactly what I'm waiting for.
Some comparison to see the bokeh and rendering in same conditions.
I also know of copy variance and I believe resolution power is just one parameter, and not the most important to me at this very high level. Also, almost any new entry is praised by reviewers. Market moves also with this support.
No need for me to defend anything, I'm not a seller.
p.53 #14 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
scalanc2 wrote:
I usually do.
Since many years.
An don’t tell me that 200 gr. makes the difference.
For sure I also prefer light stuff but with no trade in quality.
I also know that perfect lenses are not of this world.
This Sony lens is great for some aspects like resolution, dimensions, weight af performances etc. , I don’t know yet.
But for some others like CA, FB, vignetting and bokeh/rendering is nothing more than ordinary to my eyes. Possibly once I make use of it I will change my opinion but at the moment unfortunately it is not so.
The thing is that the Sony is exceptionally good for the size and weight. And also better than almost any other 35 mm lens, whatever the cost, size and weight. The small differences between it and the Sigma comes down to taste. Personally I wouldn't want the Sigma even if I got it for free. Such a huge lens just ruins the joy of photography, to me. Luckily we can choose what we want and like.
I actually prefer the rendering of the Sony as well, with its lower mechanical vignetting and more neutral bokeh. Not gonna buy it though, because I only use Sony as a secondary system. But if I didn't have my other camera I'd buy the Sony GM in a heartbeat. It looks more or less perfect.
p.53 #16 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Absolutely, when the overall IQ quality is fine for most people nowadays, convenience factors (AF speed, weight and size, future compatibility, etc.) become much higher on the list. I have never used the Sigma 35/1.2, but I have had a sharp and well centered ZE 35/1.4. This appears to render about the same or slightly better (definitely better in term of purple fringing).
In the end, if this amount of CA really bothers some of you that much while weight and size ain't a factor, the Leica Z system is probably your best bet. They don't seem to care much about size and weight there within the same class of optics. Or the Leica SL system, though Leica tax might be too much for some.
Like I said before, this GM 35 and the GM 2 are like the AF version of those Leica M lenses. CA has never been well controlled on those M lenses either and Sony managed to improve on many other aspects (of course due to the bigger size and more weight as well).
p.53 #18 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Makten wrote:
Personally I wouldn't want the Sigma even if I got it for free. Such a huge lens just ruins the joy of photography, to me. Luckily we can choose what we want and like.
Wait... get it for free, sell it on the B&S board and use the funds toward the new 35/1.4 GM.
p.53 #19 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
ramesesthe2nd wrote:
Did you not see the video and the provided samples? Are you telling me that a guy who shoots professionally accidently posted misfocused samples to prove Sony was sharper?
p.53 #20 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I was really undecided between the Sigma 35mm F2 and the GM especially since I received the Sigma 65mm and am so impressed with it. However I am within the return/exchange period of a new Sony FE 35mm 1.8 I bought and can exchange it, pay the difference and preorder the GM. That is what I have decided to do. Tired of going back and forth and want to put the 35mm search to bed. Never have been disappointed with any GM I have purchased and I am 99.9 percent sure that will be the case with the new 35mm GM. Plus I need a good fast 1.4 lens in my kit. I will be preordering tomorrow and late in the game but hopefully I will not have to wait too long.
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