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Archive 2021Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
p.44 #1Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I caved and pre-ordered. I have a stellar copy of the 1.4 ZA that I've actually been quite happy with (symmetrical and very sharp wide open). Not expecting that I'll necessarily see a dramatic difference with the GM, but I'm getting the impression that there's enough of an improvement to make it a worthwhile upgrade. The fact that the GM seems to have a bit more color/contrast wide open tipped me over the edge.
I think I'm too attached to my Loxia 35 to sell it once the GM arrives, but we'll see..
I think I'm too attached to my Loxia 35 to sell it once the GM arrives, but we'll see..
Jan 18, 2021 at 03:06 PM
p.44 #2Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
vdo1 wrote:
Fresh review here:
https://tinyurl.com/y5pu9vfh
complete with flare, "thin branches against the sky" and coma testing.
The flare pic (toddler with toy) is something really worth seeing, lots of "rendering" going on there.
That's a great test (mounted size comparison!), though the same site claims in their Sigma f1.2 review (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f%3D253%26t%3D6011587):
From the following pictures It can be seen that the anti-glare performance of f/1.2～f/16 is excellent
which I'd say is a bit controversial or the translation is wrong and the paragraph is not really about glare/ghosting...
Anyways, I don't see any rendering in the "Flare and Ghost" unfortunately, but I think every lens will flare if you try hard enough (some more creatively than others)...
CA/fringing seems visibly higher than the big Sigma, although the conditions of the test seem more demanding for the GM (and it's also A7RIV vs A7RIII). Either way, corrected or stopped down to f2, it looks good enough to me and that was my main worry about the GM at the moment .
Fresh review here:
https://tinyurl.com/y5pu9vfh
complete with flare, "thin branches against the sky" and coma testing.
The flare pic (toddler with toy) is something really worth seeing, lots of "rendering" going on there.
That's a great test (mounted size comparison!), though the same site claims in their Sigma f1.2 review (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f%3D253%26t%3D6011587):
From the following pictures It can be seen that the anti-glare performance of f/1.2～f/16 is excellent
which I'd say is a bit controversial or the translation is wrong and the paragraph is not really about glare/ghosting...
Anyways, I don't see any rendering in the "Flare and Ghost" unfortunately, but I think every lens will flare if you try hard enough (some more creatively than others)...
CA/fringing seems visibly higher than the big Sigma, although the conditions of the test seem more demanding for the GM (and it's also A7RIV vs A7RIII). Either way, corrected or stopped down to f2, it looks good enough to me and that was my main worry about the GM at the moment
.Jan 18, 2021 at 03:09 PM
p.44 #3Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
twentysevenone wrote:
I for one intend to keep the 35GM, Sigma 35/1.2 and the CV40's. But maybe I spoil myself. It's the FE35 that I'm wavering on selling now.
You, sir, are a true inspiration for people like me.
I have been really conflicted since the GM announcement and don't want to sell Sigma 35/1.2 (I generally have a hard time selling my old lenses, as I love them all for one reason or another). Mind says dump Sigma and get the GM and the heart says look at Sigma images and don't be crazy, but I love the idea of keeping it and adding GM.
gocolts wrote
For me- my sticking point is my CV 40...don't want to get rid of it for traveling and landscapes, and couldn't justify owning both the 35 GM and the CV 40. We'll see if that changes as time goes forward.You, sir, are a true inspiration for people like me.
I have been really conflicted since the GM announcement and don't want to sell Sigma 35/1.2 (I generally have a hard time selling my old lenses, as I love them all for one reason or another). Mind says dump Sigma and get the GM and the heart says look at Sigma images and don't be crazy, but I love the idea of keeping it and adding GM.
Jan 18, 2021 at 03:16 PM
p.44 #4Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
chez wrote:
We all know you are dumping your lens to buy this GM.I also love watching all the members jump onto the latest GM thinking they will finally take great photos. Funny I didn't see one comment mention that as a reason they are buying it?Because people here are smart enough to not think that way. But I guess I give people here more credit than you.I see enough people by on impulse to know you are wrong about people's smartness.
So your equating someone's "smartness" based on a so called impulse buy? That says more about you than anything else. For most here this is a hobby, who are you to determine what is smart for someone or not. That said I do enjoy chuckling every time you post because I love that avatar action pose. It lends so much credibility to your comments.
nhsonyshooter wrote
KarmaKramer wrote
Nobody would actually say it though would they...nhsonyshooter wrote
chez wrote
ramesesthe2nd wrote
I love reading all the made up reasons in the Sigma and ZA listings. I am moving to telephoto, I am moving to a lighter f/1.8, I have too many lenses in this range, etc...We all know you are dumping your lens to buy this GM.
So your equating someone's "smartness" based on a so called impulse buy? That says more about you than anything else. For most here this is a hobby, who are you to determine what is smart for someone or not. That said I do enjoy chuckling every time you post because I love that avatar action pose. It lends so much credibility to your comments.
Jan 18, 2021 at 03:18 PM
p.44 #5Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
j4nu wrote:
Anyways, I don't see any rendering in the "Flare and Ghost" unfortunately, but I think every lens will flare if you try hard enough (some more creatively than others)...
Dunno, after seeing the GM 12-24 zoom flare tests, I was expecting equal or better from a GM prime....
Anyways, I don't see any rendering in the "Flare and Ghost" unfortunately, but I think every lens will flare if you try hard enough (some more creatively than others)...
Dunno, after seeing the GM 12-24 zoom flare tests, I was expecting equal or better from a GM prime....
Jan 18, 2021 at 03:20 PM
p.44 #6Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
vdo1 wrote:
Dunno, after seeing the GM 12-24 zoom flare tests, I was expecting equal or better from a GM prime....
Yep, me too (though 1.4 vs 2.8...) but they need to be done in a controlled manner.
Unfortunately this site tests them differently:
vs
and you can still see some flare in the 12-24GM video...
I don't think flare resistance will be a weakness of the 35GM, though indeed it might not be at the same level as 12-24GM:
With our usual test methods, there is almost no glare or ghosts in sight. The performance is very good! But this time I just had a chance to capture a very high-contrast situation
vs
Although it cannot be said that there is no at all, but I can say that it has greatly reduced the generation of ghosts.
So who knows how the GM zoom would fare in the same conditions...
We need to wait for Fred's comparison to be sure .
j4nu wrote
Anyways, I don't see any rendering in the "Flare and Ghost" unfortunately, but I think every lens will flare if you try hard enough (some more creatively than others)...Yep, me too (though 1.4 vs 2.8...) but they need to be done in a controlled manner.
Unfortunately this site tests them differently:
vs
and you can still see some flare in the 12-24GM video...
I don't think flare resistance will be a weakness of the 35GM, though indeed it might not be at the same level as 12-24GM:
With our usual test methods, there is almost no glare or ghosts in sight. The performance is very good! But this time I just had a chance to capture a very high-contrast situation
vs
Although it cannot be said that there is no at all, but I can say that it has greatly reduced the generation of ghosts.
So who knows how the GM zoom would fare in the same conditions...
We need to wait for Fred's comparison to be sure
.Jan 18, 2021 at 03:36 PM
p.44 #7Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
j4nu wrote:
Dunno, after seeing the GM 12-24 zoom flare tests, I was expecting equal or better from a GM prime....Yep, me too (though 1.4 vs 2.8...) but they need to be done in a controlled manner.
Unfortunately this site tests them differently:
vs
and you can still see some flare in the 12-24GM video...
I don't think flare resistance will be a weakness of the 35GM, though indeed it might not be at the same level as 12-24GM:
vs
So who knows how the GM zoom would fare in the same conditions...
We need to wait for Fred's comparison to be sure .
I think there is too much speculation. Most here, shooting regularly, should know that there are so many parameters affecting flaring/ghosts. One single flare test isn't helping at all and it doesn't matter who does it.
vdo1 wrote
j4nu wrote
Anyways, I don't see any rendering in the "Flare and Ghost" unfortunately, but I think every lens will flare if you try hard enough (some more creatively than others)...Unfortunately this site tests them differently:
vs
and you can still see some flare in the 12-24GM video...
I don't think flare resistance will be a weakness of the 35GM, though indeed it might not be at the same level as 12-24GM:
Earlier quote
With our usual test methods, there is almost no glare or ghosts in sight. The performance is very good! But this time I just had a chance to capture a very high-contrast situationEarlier quote
Although it cannot be said that there is no at all, but I can say that it has greatly reduced the generation of ghosts.We need to wait for Fred's comparison to be sure
.I think there is too much speculation. Most here, shooting regularly, should know that there are so many parameters affecting flaring/ghosts. One single flare test isn't helping at all and it doesn't matter who does it.
Jan 18, 2021 at 03:43 PM
p.44 #8Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Mystik wrote:
I have both the sigma 35 f2 and the 35gm o. Pre order. This is a pretty key focal length for me in both my personal and paid photography so I really want get a feel for the two lenses for myself to see what the best approach is. Right now I own the sigma 35 1.2, but it's too big for personal use, so I lean on sigma 45 f2.8 and fe 35 1.8 when I want to go small.
Question for is if the 35 GM really is a goldilocks lens or is it a jack of all trades,...Show more →
When you have the f2 and the GM can you post comparisons please?
Jan 18, 2021 at 03:53 PM
p.44 #9Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
zugzwang2 wrote:
vdo1 wrote
Fresh review here:https://tinyurl.com/y5pu9vfh
I also am wondering a great deal about the true focal length at different distances.
Jan 18, 2021 at 04:01 PM
p.44 #10Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
ramesesthe2nd wrote:
You, sir, are a true inspiration for people like me.
I have been really conflicted since the GM announcement and don't want to sell Sigma 35/1.2 (I generally have a hard time selling my old lenses, as I love them all for one reason or another). Mind says dump Sigma and get the GM and the heart says look at Sigma images and don't be crazy, but I love the idea of keeping it and adding GM.
Glad to be of service! The way I see it, the Sigma rendering and the GM rendering are very different, and evoke different emotions in me (given that the GM renders like the 24GM). I prefer the dreamy and pastely effect of the Sigma for some situations and the vibrant colors of the Sony for others.
You, sir, are a true inspiration for people like me.
I have been really conflicted since the GM announcement and don't want to sell Sigma 35/1.2 (I generally have a hard time selling my old lenses, as I love them all for one reason or another). Mind says dump Sigma and get the GM and the heart says look at Sigma images and don't be crazy, but I love the idea of keeping it and adding GM.
Glad to be of service! The way I see it, the Sigma rendering and the GM rendering are very different, and evoke different emotions in me (given that the GM renders like the 24GM). I prefer the dreamy and pastely effect of the Sigma for some situations and the vibrant colors of the Sony for others.
Jan 18, 2021 at 04:02 PM
p.44 #11Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Would you please post some link, please?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Jan 18, 2021 at 04:25 PM
p.44 #12Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
This 35 mm 1.4 GM lens is a really exciting release.
It ticks a lot of boxes for me, and could potentially replace the different 35 mm lenses I have.
Looking forward to a real world review here. I am most interested in rendering of the image (flow from in focus to background) and less so with absolute sharpness. I really like the mfd for this lens too.
One of my biggest concerns is the large amount of vignetting. This is probably due to the balance of size and optical quantity that Sony has worked with. Keeping my fingers crossed on all these calculations working out to be great.
It ticks a lot of boxes for me, and could potentially replace the different 35 mm lenses I have.
Looking forward to a real world review here. I am most interested in rendering of the image (flow from in focus to background) and less so with absolute sharpness. I really like the mfd for this lens too.
One of my biggest concerns is the large amount of vignetting. This is probably due to the balance of size and optical quantity that Sony has worked with. Keeping my fingers crossed on all these calculations working out to be great.
Jan 18, 2021 at 08:01 PM
p.44 #13Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
stevenvh wrote:
I have the 35/2.8 for traveling light and compact. Will likely get the 35/2 Sigma or the 35/1.4GM to really have a different lens from the 35/2.8..
The only lens with a hood in that pic is the Sigma
The Camera Size website is an amazing mix of helpful and frustrating. They have one Voigtlander lens, the 110mm, and it's strangely obliqued, not sitting securely at the mount. There are mixes of lenses with and without hoods, sometimes a choice of either (some of the Loxia and Batis lenses). There is very little consistency. It's as if whoever setup the page went on a creative binge in the beginning, but retired shortly thereafter.
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jhinkey wrote
What's a stop of light worth to you for increases in size and weight?I have the 35/2.8 for traveling light and compact. Will likely get the 35/2 Sigma or the 35/1.4GM to really have a different lens from the 35/2.8.
The only lens with a hood in that pic is the Sigma
The Camera Size website is an amazing mix of helpful and frustrating. They have one Voigtlander lens, the 110mm, and it's strangely obliqued, not sitting securely at the mount. There are mixes of lenses with and without hoods, sometimes a choice of either (some of the Loxia and Batis lenses). There is very little consistency. It's as if whoever setup the page went on a creative binge in the beginning, but retired shortly thereafter.
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Jan 18, 2021 at 08:06 PM
p.44 #14Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
(deleted my snarky comment)
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Jan 18, 2021 at 08:11 PM
p.44 #15Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Lifeinpictures wrote:
[...]
One of my biggest concerns is the large amount of vignetting. This is probably due to the balance of size and optical quantity that Sony has worked with. Keeping my fingers crossed on all these calculations working out to be great.
Well, they already tipped the balance towards size when they did the FE 35/1.8 (which has strong vignetting too), so one might have expected a different dirrection with the GM.
[...]
One of my biggest concerns is the large amount of vignetting. This is probably due to the balance of size and optical quantity that Sony has worked with. Keeping my fingers crossed on all these calculations working out to be great.
Well, they already tipped the balance towards size when they did the FE 35/1.8 (which has strong vignetting too), so one might have expected a different dirrection with the GM.
Jan 18, 2021 at 08:46 PM
p.44 #16Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
vdo1 wrote:
Lifeinpictures wrote
[...]One of my biggest concerns is the large amount of vignetting. This is probably due to the balance of size and optical quantity that Sony has worked with. Keeping my fingers crossed on all these calculations working out to be great.
Sony has really been all about size since the beginning of E-Mount, both for better and worse.
Jan 18, 2021 at 08:53 PM
p.44 #17Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I just found a very good transitional bokeh comparison at Gordan's review of the gm f1.4 35mm at 7:35 min mark when he is walking towards the camera.
It compares the sigma f1.2 together with the gm at various distances. you can view how the bokeh changes with different distances.
I find the sigma bokeh softer and more well behaved at various distances but this is very subjective. Both looks good but the sigma does look slightly better especially at the starting. The difference is pretty minor though...
The AF is much faster on the gm though. I need to try the AF of the sigma on my A9 to see if it is tracking well. I don't remember being irritated by the AF much though using the sigma.
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It compares the sigma f1.2 together with the gm at various distances. you can view how the bokeh changes with different distances.
I find the sigma bokeh softer and more well behaved at various distances but this is very subjective. Both looks good but the sigma does look slightly better especially at the starting. The difference is pretty minor though...
The AF is much faster on the gm though. I need to try the AF of the sigma on my A9 to see if it is tracking well. I don't remember being irritated by the AF much though using the sigma.
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Jan 18, 2021 at 09:01 PM
p.44 #18Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I’m curious to see the differences in character, color, and bokeh (besides bokeh balls). We know the GM is sharper, at least across the frame, and we know the bokeh balls are nicer (no onion rings), but besides that, I think there is an opportunity for the ZA to have appeal still in the final rendering compared to the GM.
Chris_88 wrote:
Not sure, whether this has been posted already, but the staff of Tokyo-based camera store MapCamera got to check out the lens. Their report complete with size comparisons can be found here.
At the bottom of the article, there is a comparison between the GM and the 35 ZA. They noted how the former was tack sharp wide open at the point of focus, while the latter had a glow to it.
Chris_88 wrote:
Not sure, whether this has been posted already, but the staff of Tokyo-based camera store MapCamera got to check out the lens. Their report complete with size comparisons can be found here.
At the bottom of the article, there is a comparison between the GM and the 35 ZA. They noted how the former was tack sharp wide open at the point of focus, while the latter had a glow to it.
Jan 18, 2021 at 09:30 PM
p.44 #19Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
wind30 wrote:
I just found a very good transitional bokeh comparison at Gordan's review of the gm f1.4 35mm at 7:35 min mark when he is walking towards the camera.
It compares the sigma f1.2 together with the gm at various distances. you can view how the bokeh changes with different distances.
I find the sigma bokeh softer and more well behaved at various distances but this is very subjective. Both looks good but the sigma does look slightly better especially at the starting. The difference is pretty minor though...
The AF is much faster on the gm though. I need to try...Show more →
The AF on the Sigma is quick enough for most use cases easily. My wife and I both use the Sigma at weddings on A9ii/A7riv without any problem.
If size and weight isn't an issue, the Sigma is fantastic and I don't see a reason to switch. But size and weight is of course enormous, so I can understand people well in deciding to get rid of some weight.
I just found a very good transitional bokeh comparison at Gordan's review of the gm f1.4 35mm at 7:35 min mark when he is walking towards the camera.
It compares the sigma f1.2 together with the gm at various distances. you can view how the bokeh changes with different distances.
I find the sigma bokeh softer and more well behaved at various distances but this is very subjective. Both looks good but the sigma does look slightly better especially at the starting. The difference is pretty minor though...
The AF is much faster on the gm though. I need to try...Show more →
The AF on the Sigma is quick enough for most use cases easily. My wife and I both use the Sigma at weddings on A9ii/A7riv without any problem.
If size and weight isn't an issue, the Sigma is fantastic and I don't see a reason to switch. But size and weight is of course enormous, so I can understand people well in deciding to get rid of some weight.
Jan 19, 2021 at 03:23 AM
p.44 #20Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
smpetty wrote:
Funny I didn't see one comment mention that as a reason they are buying it?Because people here are smart enough to not think that way. But I guess I give people here more credit than you.I see enough people by on impulse to know you are wrong about people's smartness.It's "buy on impulse", professor.
You are so smart!
Besides, he certainly has a point even if people don't want to hear it. I think many here can't deny that (and I can't exclude myself from being driven by GAS sometimes).
chez wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
KarmaKramer wrote
Nobody would actually say it though would they...nhsonyshooter wrote
chez wrote
I also love watching all the members jump onto the latest GM thinking they will finally take great photos.You are so smart!
Besides, he certainly has a point even if people don't want to hear it. I think many here can't deny that (and I can't exclude myself from being driven by GAS sometimes).
Jan 19, 2021 at 03:27 AM