p.14 #1 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Teo Rey wrote:
Sony is really pissing away their early lead in number of lenses by barely releasing anything while Canon and Nikon pump out good glass year after year.
Exactly! I'd even say the latest body releases are safe "evolutionary" steps rather than groundbreaking like A7III or A9 times...
I can't really explain that, either Sony thinks they are king of the hill of the mirrorless world and can't be touched or they treat their supremacy as temporary and don't want to compete with a full-blown Canon assault...
p.14 #2 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Others have decried the “coasting” posture Sony has exhibited for the past two years or so. Last year was a pretty slow year that’s for sure.
Hoping for a9r, a7cr, 35 GM, 16 GM, more super teles in the year ahead.
j4nu wrote:
Exactly! I'd even say the latest body releases are safe "evolutionary" steps rather than groundbreaking like A7III or A9 times...
I can't really explain that, either Sony thinks they are king of the hill of the mirrorless world and can't be touched or they treat their supremacy as temporary and don't want to compete with a full-blown Canon assault...
p.14 #3 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Justin Stone wrote:
Others have decried the “coasting” posture Sony has exhibited for the past two years or so. Last year was a pretty slow year that’s for sure.
Hoping for a9r, a7cr, 35 GM, 16 GM, more super teles in the year ahead.
So you are ready to throw down upwards of $20,000 this year?
p.14 #4 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Justin Stone wrote:
Others have decried the “coasting” posture Sony has exhibited for the past two years or so. Last year was a pretty slow year that’s for sure.
Hoping for a9r, a7cr, 35 GM, 16 GM, more super teles in the year ahead.
And people decried Canon's "coasting" for longer than that when it came to mirrorless. Now look at the reaction.
If you can't make good pictures with the existing lineup of Sony cameras and lenses, find a new hobby.
p.14 #6 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I'm not sure if any company last year, especially one where a lot of its professional customers couldn't work, could be called coasting. Not sure it made a lot of sense to go crazy with product launches.
Just the big AKM factory fire, which seems to have disproportionately affected Sony. At least, Sony is the only one who has come out to say it has had a significant impact.
p.14 #8 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
TheEmrys wrote:
Just the big AKM factory fire, which seems to have disproportionately affected Sony. At least, Sony is the only one who has come out to say it has had a significant impact.
I am wondering if that AKM fire also destroyed the LSI tech that goes into the a9/a9II...maybe delaying a9III ?
p.14 #9 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
ftllens wrote:
If you didn't get it yet. Buy it! It's the best 35mm fast prime imo in terms of balance of sharpness, aberration correction, and bokeh, color rendering. It's very reasonably sized even with an adapter. I'm using it on the GFX (I get the FOV of 28 but distance-perspective to framing of 35!) to shoot video and it's so, so good. A similar quality 35mm cinema lens would be like minimal 10x the price!
Isn't the required distance the same for the adapted 35mm on GFX as it would be 28mm on FF? Since the FOV's the same, the subject will take up the same amount of space using that adapted 35mm as it would on 28mm FF, right?
p.14 #13 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
RoamingScott wrote:
And people decried Canon's "coasting" for longer than that when it came to mirrorless. Now look at the reaction.
If you can't make good pictures with the existing lineup of Sony cameras and lenses, find a new hobby.
We're on a gear forum. We like gear here. People like learning about what gear they can use to squeeze that 10% extra performance out of. Is it necessary? No, but it's what we enjoy doing. No need to get upset about it.
So, you prefer the current situation where Sony releases 2-3 FF lenses a year and I liked the early, more frequent releases, I guess both are reasonable approaches.
It's probably impossible to keep the early pace forever, but I just don't think it's a good time now to slow down, when other brands are aggresively catching up...
p.14 #15 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I LOVE gear chasers and perma-GASers!
If you successfully “expose” them, name names and let me know so I can thank them. They help subsidize innovation investments at camera companies and ensure a healthy, cheap secondary market of the almost latest, greatest equipment. I am glad they are making the fantastic lenses and vastly improved bodies we’ve seen in the last few years possible. Compare the Sony ecosystem of 2015 to 2019. Wow, what a difference. Keep on Gassing!
ShootPDX wrote:
Exactly.
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p.14 #16 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
So, you prefer the current situation where Sony releases 2-3 FF lenses a year and I liked the early, more frequent releases, I guess both are reasonable approaches.
It's probably impossible to keep the early pace forever, but I just don't think it's a good time now to slow down, when other brands are aggresively catching up...
It seems that 2019 had 4 FF lenses released and 2020 had 3 FF lenses released, and of course 2020 was not a typical year with the global pandemic and all. I think the current pace for Sony developing FF lenses is more like 4 per year, and in a typical year the 35 f/1.4 GM we are discussing would have been released in 2020. Some slow down due to the pandemic I think is reasonable. We very well may get 5 FF lenses in 2021 as Sony catches up. That pace seems totally reasonable to me to fully develop the Sony E mount line of lenses and update the lenses that need to be updated.
Sure Canon and Nikon are making about 6 FF lenses a year, but they are behind in the number of mirrorless lenses, so they need to catch up. Not only that, but we can expect at least 4 lenses a year for E mount from third parties (Tamron, Sigma, Tokina, etc), which haven't even begun to come out for Nikon Z mount or Canon RF (although I hear Canon RF lenses might be coming soon), so it isn't like the number of lenses for Sony E mount is likely to be a problem going forward.
So, you prefer the current situation where Sony releases 2-3 FF lenses a year and I liked the early, more frequent releases, I guess both are reasonable approaches.
It's probably impossible to keep the early pace forever, but I just don't think it's a good time now to slow down, when other brands are aggresively catching up...
Why care so much about what other brands are doing? Really you make this out as some kind of race. The amount of lenses and cameras available for Sony shooters is staggering. Why do we always want more...more...more? Can't we just make great images with the gear that is currently available?
p.14 #18 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Steve Spencer wrote:
It seems that 2019 had 4 FF lenses released and 2020 had 3 FF lenses released, and of course 2020 was not a typical year with the global pandemic and all. I think the current pace for Sony developing FF lenses is more like 4 per year, and in a typical year the 35 f/1.4 GM we are discussing would have been released in 2020. Some slow down due to the pandemic I think is reasonable. We very well may get 5 FF lenses in 2021 as Sony catches up. That pace seems totally reasonable to me to fully develop the Sony E mount line of lenses and update the lenses that need to be updated.
Sure Canon and Nikon are making about 6 FF lenses a year, but they are behind in the number of mirrorless lenses, so they need to catch up. Not only that, but we can expect at least 4 lenses a year for E mount from third parties (Tamron, Sigma, Tokina, etc), which haven't even begun to come out for Nikon Z mount or Canon RF (although I hear Canon RF lenses might be coming soon), so it isn't like the number of lenses for Sony E mount is likely to be a problem going forward....Show more →
Yes, 2019 was alright - we got both, the excellent 135GM and punching above its weight 200-600 (+ the long awaited FE 35mm f1.8). It was 2018 that was actually really slow with only 2 lenses, but I meant mostly 2020, where I'd expect Sony to pick up the glove thrown by Canon & co.
... but we saw only the exquisite 12-24GM and the excellent FE20 (+ kit zoom with A7C, but not officially available without the bundle).
I just don't understand this lack of initiative on Sony's side, when it still has the upperhand in the mirrorless market. If pandemic hit Sony that hard, then even annoucements alone would go a long way...
p.14 #19 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
chez wrote:
Why care so much about what other brands are doing? Really you make this out as some kind of race. The amount of lenses and cameras available for Sony shooters is staggering. Why do we always want more...more...more? Can't we just make great images with the gear that is currently available?
Because if enough people migrate (back) to Canon, then we risk having a monopoly and we all loose then...
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p.14 #20 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
j4nu wrote:
Yes, 2019 was alright - we got both, the excellent 135GM and punching above its weight 200-600 (+ the long awaited FE 35mm f1.8). It was 2018 that was actually really slow with only 2 lenses, but I meant mostly 2020, where I'd expect Sony to pick up the glove thrown by Canon & co.
... but we saw only the exquisite 12-24GM and the excellent FE20 (+ kit zoom with A7C, but not officially available without the bundle).
I just don't understand this lack of initiative on Sony's side, when it still has the upperhand in the mirrorless market. If pandemic hit Sony that hard, then even annoucements alone would go a long way......Show more →
If we go back to 2017, we see we got six FF lenses (85 f/1.7; 100 GM; 12-24 f/4 G; 24-105 f/4 G; 100-400 GM; 16-35 GM), in 2018 we only got 2 FF lenses (400 GM; 24 GM), and in 2019 we got 4 FF lenses (600 GM, 135GM, 35 f/1.8, 200-600 G). So over that three year period we got an average of 4 per year. 2020 only got us 3 FF lenses but given he pandemic that is not surprising. I see 4 FF lenses a year as being pretty typical. We might get 5 this year to make up for the understandably slower pace in 2020. I think 4 lenses a year is a quite decent number, especially with the third party support Sony E mount is getting.
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