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Steve Spencer wrote:
I don't see how namecalling helps your cause, but maybe it helps you in some way 
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Anyways, it's as simple as taking a look at the tables of released lenses:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_E-mount_lenses
vs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_RF_lens_mount
So, you prefer the current situation where Sony releases 2-3 FF lenses a year and I liked the early, more frequent releases, I guess both are reasonable approaches.
It's probably impossible to keep the early pace forever, but I just don't think it's a good time now to slow down, when other brands are aggresively catching up...It seems that 2019 had 4 FF lenses released and 2020 had 3 FF lenses released, and of course 2020 was not a typical year with the global pandemic and all. I think the current pace for Sony developing FF lenses is more like 4 per year, and in a typical year the 35 f/1.4 GM we are discussing would have been released in 2020. Some slow down due to the pandemic I think is reasonable. We very well may get 5 FF lenses in 2021 as Sony catches up. That pace seems totally reasonable to me to fully develop the Sony E mount line of lenses and update the lenses that need to be updated.
Sure Canon and Nikon are making about 6 FF lenses a year, but they are behind in the number of mirrorless lenses, so they need to catch up. Not only that, but we can expect at least 4 lenses a year for E mount from third parties (Tamron, Sigma, Tokina, etc), which haven't even begun to come out for Nikon Z mount or Canon RF (although I hear Canon RF lenses might be coming soon), so it isn't like the number of lenses for Sony E mount is likely to be a problem going forward.Yes, 2019 was alright - we got both, the excellent 135GM and punching above its weight 200-600 (+ the long awaited FE 35mm f1.8). It was 2018 that was actually really slow with only 2 lenses, but I meant mostly 2020, where I'd expect Sony to pick up the glove thrown by Canon & co.
... but we saw only the exquisite 12-24GM and the excellent FE20 (+ kit zoom with A7C, but not officially available without the bundle).
I just don't understand this lack of initiative on Sony's side, when it still has the upperhand in the mirrorless market. If pandemic hit Sony that hard, then even annoucements alone would go a long way...If we go back to 2017, we see we got six FF lenses (85 f/1.7; 100 GM; 12-24 f/4 G; 24-105 f/4 G; 100-400 GM; 16-35 GM), in 2018 we only got 2 FF lenses (400 GM; 24 GM), and in 2019 we got 4 FF lenses (600 GM, 135GM, 35 f/1.8, 200-600 G). So over that three year period we got an average of 4 per year. 2020 only got us 3 FF lenses but given he pandemic that is not surprising. I see 4 FF lenses a year as being pretty typical. We might get 5 this...Show more →
Fingers crossed
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j4nu wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
j4nu wrote
RoamingScott wrote
It also exposes gear chasers and perma-GASsers.ShootPDX wrote
People who complain about vendors "coasting" are people with either too much money or too little sense. .Anyways, it's as simple as taking a look at the tables of released lenses:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_E-mount_lenses
vs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_RF_lens_mount
So, you prefer the current situation where Sony releases 2-3 FF lenses a year and I liked the early, more frequent releases, I guess both are reasonable approaches.
It's probably impossible to keep the early pace forever, but I just don't think it's a good time now to slow down, when other brands are aggresively catching up...
Sure Canon and Nikon are making about 6 FF lenses a year, but they are behind in the number of mirrorless lenses, so they need to catch up. Not only that, but we can expect at least 4 lenses a year for E mount from third parties (Tamron, Sigma, Tokina, etc), which haven't even begun to come out for Nikon Z mount or Canon RF (although I hear Canon RF lenses might be coming soon), so it isn't like the number of lenses for Sony E mount is likely to be a problem going forward.
... but we saw only the exquisite 12-24GM and the excellent FE20 (+ kit zoom with A7C, but not officially available without the bundle).
I just don't understand this lack of initiative on Sony's side, when it still has the upperhand in the mirrorless market. If pandemic hit Sony that hard, then even annoucements alone would go a long way...
Fingers crossed
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p.15 #2Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
j4nu wrote:
I don't see how namecalling helps your cause, but maybe it helps you in some way .
Anyways, it's as simple as taking a look at the tables of released lenses:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_E-mount_lenses
vs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_RF_lens_mount
So, you prefer the current situation where Sony releases 2-3 FF lenses a year and I liked the early, more frequent releases, I guess both are reasonable approaches.
It's probably impossible to keep the early pace forever, but I just don't think it's a good time now to slow down, when other brands are aggresively catching up...Why care so much about what other brands are doing? Really you make this out as some kind of race. The amount of lenses and cameras available for Sony shooters is staggering. Why do we always want more...more...more? Can't we just make great images with the gear that is currently available?Because if enough people migrate (back) to Canon, then we risk having a monopoly and we all loose then...
Ill hang my straps up before I ever do that but you do have a point but why worry about this. I honestly think people are constantly looking on other green pastures. But after 45 years of this stuff the only secret sauce is between our ears. I personally look at what we have for Sony native or 3rd party for our system and decide what maybe best. I try a lot of lenses but some of that could be considered , FOR SPORT.
BUt like to see what is what kind of performance im after. I have different priorities for client work and my work. Thats all good and we should be fine tuned for our system but Canon and Nikon I've been there have the Gold T shirt and its just over for me. Now one of them come out with a 200mm F2 for 1800 bucks than ill look
chez wrote
j4nu wrote
RoamingScott wrote
It also exposes gear chasers and perma-GASsers.ShootPDX wrote
People who complain about vendors "coasting" are people with either too much money or too little sense. .Anyways, it's as simple as taking a look at the tables of released lenses:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_E-mount_lenses
vs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_RF_lens_mount
So, you prefer the current situation where Sony releases 2-3 FF lenses a year and I liked the early, more frequent releases, I guess both are reasonable approaches.
It's probably impossible to keep the early pace forever, but I just don't think it's a good time now to slow down, when other brands are aggresively catching up...
Ill hang my straps up before I ever do that but you do have a point but why worry about this. I honestly think people are constantly looking on other green pastures. But after 45 years of this stuff the only secret sauce is between our ears. I personally look at what we have for Sony native or 3rd party for our system and decide what maybe best. I try a lot of lenses but some of that could be considered , FOR SPORT.
BUt like to see what is what kind of performance im after. I have different priorities for client work and my work. Thats all good and we should be fine tuned for our system but Canon and Nikon I've been there have the Gold T shirt and its just over for me. Now one of them come out with a 200mm F2 for 1800 bucks than ill lookJan 05, 2021 at 09:12 AM
p.15 #3Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
j4nu wrote:
I don't see how namecalling helps your cause, but maybe it helps you in some way .
Anyways, it's as simple as taking a look at the tables of released lenses:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_E-mount_lenses
vs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_RF_lens_mount
So, you prefer the current situation where Sony releases 2-3 FF lenses a year and I liked the early, more frequent releases, I guess both are reasonable approaches.
It's probably impossible to keep the early pace forever, but I just don't think it's a good time now to slow down, when other brands are aggresively catching up...Why care so much about what other brands are doing? Really you make this out as some kind of race. The amount of lenses and cameras available for Sony shooters is staggering. Why do we always want more...more...more? Can't we just make great images with the gear that is currently available?Because if enough people migrate (back) to Canon, then we risk having a monopoly and we all loose then...
You spend way too much on this forum listening to the few that moved back to Canon. The rest of the world outside the gear heads don't chase this wholly Grail and switch systems because of a camera or lens. I really cannot see why anyone cannot go out and make great photos with the cameras and lenses available for Sony. Stop worrying about what Canon is doing...just be happy you have such a huge selection of lenses with Sony.
chez wrote
j4nu wrote
RoamingScott wrote
It also exposes gear chasers and perma-GASsers.ShootPDX wrote
People who complain about vendors "coasting" are people with either too much money or too little sense. .Anyways, it's as simple as taking a look at the tables of released lenses:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_E-mount_lenses
vs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_RF_lens_mount
So, you prefer the current situation where Sony releases 2-3 FF lenses a year and I liked the early, more frequent releases, I guess both are reasonable approaches.
It's probably impossible to keep the early pace forever, but I just don't think it's a good time now to slow down, when other brands are aggresively catching up...
You spend way too much on this forum listening to the few that moved back to Canon. The rest of the world outside the gear heads don't chase this wholly Grail and switch systems because of a camera or lens. I really cannot see why anyone cannot go out and make great photos with the cameras and lenses available for Sony. Stop worrying about what Canon is doing...just be happy you have such a huge selection of lenses with Sony.
Jan 05, 2021 at 09:32 AM
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p.15 #4Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
In general, if people spent less time online talking about shooting and more time outside ACTUALLY shooting, we'd have a lot more productive conversations
Wringing your hands about some mega corporation is a waste of time and energy. Just shoot!
Wringing your hands about some mega corporation is a waste of time and energy. Just shoot!
Jan 05, 2021 at 09:42 AM
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Teo Rey wrote:
Hoping for a9r, a7cr, 35 GM, 16 GM, more super teles in the year ahead.
Sony is really pissing away their early lead in number of lenses by barely releasing anything while Canon and Nikon pump out good glass year after year.Exactly! I'd even say the latest body releases are safe "evolutionary" steps rather than groundbreaking like A7III or A9 times...
I can't really explain that, either Sony thinks they are king of the hill of the mirrorless world and can't be touched or they treat their supremacy as temporary and don't want to compete with a full-blown Canon assault...And people decried Canon's "coasting" for longer than that when it came to mirrorless. Now look at the reaction.
If you can't make good pictures with the existing lineup of Sony cameras and lenses, find a new hobby.We're on a gear forum. We like gear here. People like learning about what gear they can use to squeeze that 10% extra performance out of. Is it necessary? No, but it's what we enjoy doing. No need to get upset about it.
Who's upset? All we're saying is some people are too consumed with the next camera, and they fault the manufactures for not making stuff fast enough (despite the fact technology has practically exploded in the past decade). I love gear just as much as the next guy, but to say a company's been coasting for two years because they only made 4 cameras and not 5 is ridiculous.
RoamingScott wrote
Justin Stone wrote
Others have decried the “coasting” posture Sony has exhibited for the past two years or so. Last year was a pretty slow year that’s for sure.Hoping for a9r, a7cr, 35 GM, 16 GM, more super teles in the year ahead.
j4nu wrote
Teo Rey wrote
j4nu wrote
None that I know of, I really wish Sony was more active this year but I don't think that's gonna happen (so again ~2 lenses per year?) ...I can't really explain that, either Sony thinks they are king of the hill of the mirrorless world and can't be touched or they treat their supremacy as temporary and don't want to compete with a full-blown Canon assault...
If you can't make good pictures with the existing lineup of Sony cameras and lenses, find a new hobby.
Who's upset? All we're saying is some people are too consumed with the next camera, and they fault the manufactures for not making stuff fast enough (despite the fact technology has practically exploded in the past decade). I love gear just as much as the next guy, but to say a company's been coasting for two years because they only made 4 cameras and not 5 is ridiculous.
Jan 05, 2021 at 10:12 AM
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darrellc wrote:
I LOVE gear chasers and perma-GASers!
If you successfully “expose” them, name names and let me know so I can thank them. They help subsidize innovation investments at camera companies and ensure a healthy, cheap secondary market of the almost latest, greatest equipment. I am glad they are making the fantastic lenses and vastly improved bodies we’ve seen in the last few years possible. Compare the Sony ecosystem of 2015 to 2019. Wow, what a difference. Keep on Gassing!
Exactly.
Hey, whatever fuels your insecurities, man.
I LOVE gear chasers and perma-GASers!
If you successfully “expose” them, name names and let me know so I can thank them. They help subsidize innovation investments at camera companies and ensure a healthy, cheap secondary market of the almost latest, greatest equipment. I am glad they are making the fantastic lenses and vastly improved bodies we’ve seen in the last few years possible. Compare the Sony ecosystem of 2015 to 2019. Wow, what a difference. Keep on Gassing!
ShootPDX wrote
RoamingScott wrote
It also exposes gear chasers and perma-GASsers.ShootPDX wrote
People who complain about vendors "coasting" are people with either too much money or too little sense.Hey, whatever fuels your insecurities, man.
Jan 05, 2021 at 10:14 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
In general, if people spent less time online talking about shooting and more time outside ACTUALLY shooting, we'd have a lot more productive conversations
Wringing your hands about some mega corporation is a waste of time and energy. Just shoot!
Says the guy in Texas...up here in Vancouver mother nature has other ideas
In all seriousness, it's a good reminder. If I look at what would be the most useful to my photography right now, it would be a new waterproof jacket (mine's nearing end of it's useful life cycle), a new pair of hiking boots (waterproof, of course) and better gloves. Hmmm, maybe that's a new thread...what's your most useful and used non-photography gear that helps with your photography?
In general, if people spent less time online talking about shooting and more time outside ACTUALLY shooting, we'd have a lot more productive conversations
Wringing your hands about some mega corporation is a waste of time and energy. Just shoot!
Says the guy in Texas...up here in Vancouver mother nature has other ideas
In all seriousness, it's a good reminder. If I look at what would be the most useful to my photography right now, it would be a new waterproof jacket (mine's nearing end of it's useful life cycle), a new pair of hiking boots (waterproof, of course) and better gloves. Hmmm, maybe that's a new thread...what's your most useful and used non-photography gear that helps with your photography?
Jan 05, 2021 at 11:16 AM
p.15 #8Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Dave Sanders wrote:
Wringing your hands about some mega corporation is a waste of time and energy. Just shoot!Says the guy in Texas...up here in Vancouver mother nature has other ideas
In all seriousness, it's a good reminder. If I look at what would be the most useful to my photography right now, it would be a new waterproof jacket (mine's nearing end of it's useful life cycle), a new pair of hiking boots (waterproof, of course) and better gloves. Hmmm, maybe that's a new thread...what's your most useful and used non-photography gear that helps with your photography?
I am in eternal pursuit of extremely warm gloves that are small, water repellent, and I can still manipulate the buttons on my cameras—so maybe fold over fingers or such.
You never know which threads will get a lot of play, it’s pretty good idea you have
RoamingScott wrote
In general, if people spent less time online talking about shooting and more time outside ACTUALLY shooting, we'd have a lot more productive conversationsWringing your hands about some mega corporation is a waste of time and energy. Just shoot!
In all seriousness, it's a good reminder. If I look at what would be the most useful to my photography right now, it would be a new waterproof jacket (mine's nearing end of it's useful life cycle), a new pair of hiking boots (waterproof, of course) and better gloves. Hmmm, maybe that's a new thread...what's your most useful and used non-photography gear that helps with your photography?
I am in eternal pursuit of extremely warm gloves that are small, water repellent, and I can still manipulate the buttons on my cameras—so maybe fold over fingers or such.
You never know which threads will get a lot of play, it’s pretty good idea you have
Jan 05, 2021 at 11:29 AM
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nehemiahphoto wrote:
Wringing your hands about some mega corporation is a waste of time and energy. Just shoot!Says the guy in Texas...up here in Vancouver mother nature has other ideas
In all seriousness, it's a good reminder. If I look at what would be the most useful to my photography right now, it would be a new waterproof jacket (mine's nearing end of it's useful life cycle), a new pair of hiking boots (waterproof, of course) and better gloves. Hmmm, maybe that's a new thread...what's your most useful and used non-photography gear that helps with your photography?I am in eternal pursuit of extremely warm gloves that are small, water repellent, and I can still manipulate the buttons on my cameras—so maybe fold over fingers or such.
You never know which threads will get a lot of play, it’s pretty good idea you have
Ha, if you find those gloves, let me know! I've also been searching for them forever. My current 'close enough' pair are North Face and they hit the water repellent and button aspects, but fail miserably at the warm.
Dave Sanders wrote
RoamingScott wrote
In general, if people spent less time online talking about shooting and more time outside ACTUALLY shooting, we'd have a lot more productive conversationsWringing your hands about some mega corporation is a waste of time and energy. Just shoot!
In all seriousness, it's a good reminder. If I look at what would be the most useful to my photography right now, it would be a new waterproof jacket (mine's nearing end of it's useful life cycle), a new pair of hiking boots (waterproof, of course) and better gloves. Hmmm, maybe that's a new thread...what's your most useful and used non-photography gear that helps with your photography?
You never know which threads will get a lot of play, it’s pretty good idea you have
Ha, if you find those gloves, let me know! I've also been searching for them forever. My current 'close enough' pair are North Face and they hit the water repellent and button aspects, but fail miserably at the warm.
Jan 05, 2021 at 11:42 AM
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Dave Sanders wrote:
Wringing your hands about some mega corporation is a waste of time and energy. Just shoot!Says the guy in Texas...up here in Vancouver mother nature has other ideas
In all seriousness, it's a good reminder. If I look at what would be the most useful to my photography right now, it would be a new waterproof jacket (mine's nearing end of it's useful life cycle), a new pair of hiking boots (waterproof, of course) and better gloves. Hmmm, maybe that's a new thread...what's your most useful and used non-photography gear that helps with your photography?
On my last trip up to the Rockies last month, I wore a pair of too-thin capacitive finger gloves in a 15 degree snowstorm...my fingertips were functionless pretty quickly and operating the camera felt like I'd never held one before. In the confusion and pain, I managed to hit the lock mechanism on my Peak Capture...well guess what? I didn't even know the Capture HAD a lock, so here I was thinking I'd jammed my camera into it wrong, and now my cam was stuck to my backpack strap during a hike.
For shots, I either took off the entire pack and held it up so I could use the EVF, or worse, I shot from the hip.
Once I got in the car, warmed up a bit, and got my wits about me, I felt VERY foolish
RoamingScott wrote
In general, if people spent less time online talking about shooting and more time outside ACTUALLY shooting, we'd have a lot more productive conversationsWringing your hands about some mega corporation is a waste of time and energy. Just shoot!
In all seriousness, it's a good reminder. If I look at what would be the most useful to my photography right now, it would be a new waterproof jacket (mine's nearing end of it's useful life cycle), a new pair of hiking boots (waterproof, of course) and better gloves. Hmmm, maybe that's a new thread...what's your most useful and used non-photography gear that helps with your photography?
On my last trip up to the Rockies last month, I wore a pair of too-thin capacitive finger gloves in a 15 degree snowstorm...my fingertips were functionless pretty quickly and operating the camera felt like I'd never held one before. In the confusion and pain, I managed to hit the lock mechanism on my Peak Capture...well guess what? I didn't even know the Capture HAD a lock, so here I was thinking I'd jammed my camera into it wrong, and now my cam was stuck to my backpack strap during a hike.
For shots, I either took off the entire pack and held it up so I could use the EVF, or worse, I shot from the hip.
Once I got in the car, warmed up a bit, and got my wits about me, I felt VERY foolish
Jan 05, 2021 at 12:55 PM
p.15 #11Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Barbour Fingerless gloves for the win.
Jan 05, 2021 at 01:01 PM
p.15 #12Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
RoamingScott wrote:
Wringing your hands about some mega corporation is a waste of time and energy. Just shoot!Says the guy in Texas...up here in Vancouver mother nature has other ideas
In all seriousness, it's a good reminder. If I look at what would be the most useful to my photography right now, it would be a new waterproof jacket (mine's nearing end of it's useful life cycle), a new pair of hiking boots (waterproof, of course) and better gloves. Hmmm, maybe that's a new thread...what's your most useful and used non-photography gear that helps with your photography?On my last trip up to the Rockies last month, I wore a pair of too-thin capacitive finger gloves in a 15 degree snowstorm...my fingertips were functionless pretty quickly and operating the camera felt like I'd never held one before. In the confusion and pain, I managed to hit the lock mechanism on my Peak Capture...well guess what? I didn't even know the Capture HAD a lock, so here I was thinking I'd jammed my camera into it wrong, and now my cam was stuck to my backpack strap during a hike.
For shots, I either took off the entire pack...Show more →
Haha those sound like the gloves I currently have. They're not sufficient in Vancouver's 'cold' weather, let alone a snowstorm in the mountains. It's pretty impressive how useless cold fingers are. I like the story about locking your camera in your Peak Capture hahaha please tell me someone got a photo of you using your camera backpack. I once carried my camera tripod around on a hike, angrily, without using it, because I was convinced I had broken the QR clamp without thinking about the fact that there is a locking function that engages when the camera is pressed on to it, but if you somehow manage to do it without the camera attached, you need to disengage it first. I didn't figure that one out until I was back at home...
Dave Sanders wrote
RoamingScott wrote
In general, if people spent less time online talking about shooting and more time outside ACTUALLY shooting, we'd have a lot more productive conversationsWringing your hands about some mega corporation is a waste of time and energy. Just shoot!
In all seriousness, it's a good reminder. If I look at what would be the most useful to my photography right now, it would be a new waterproof jacket (mine's nearing end of it's useful life cycle), a new pair of hiking boots (waterproof, of course) and better gloves. Hmmm, maybe that's a new thread...what's your most useful and used non-photography gear that helps with your photography?
For shots, I either took off the entire pack...Show more →
Haha those sound like the gloves I currently have. They're not sufficient in Vancouver's 'cold' weather, let alone a snowstorm in the mountains. It's pretty impressive how useless cold fingers are. I like the story about locking your camera in your Peak Capture hahaha please tell me someone got a photo of you using your camera backpack. I once carried my camera tripod around on a hike, angrily, without using it, because I was convinced I had broken the QR clamp without thinking about the fact that there is a locking function that engages when the camera is pressed on to it, but if you somehow manage to do it without the camera attached, you need to disengage it first. I didn't figure that one out until I was back at home...
Jan 05, 2021 at 01:25 PM
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All I'm saying is the minute people stop asking for more from a company is the minute they'll stop getting it, which is why we still don't have a 28, 100, 300, 500 GM, any long macros, tilt shifts, fisheyes, 1.2 glass, pancakes, more affordable options, all the other stuff people want, etc. I don't see a point in white knighting for these multi billion dollar companies that put out 2 or 3 lenses a year when they still have gaping holes in the lineup and the competition is catching up much faster. Are there great lenses for E-Mount? Yes, that's why I'm a Sony shooter. Are the current options "good enough"? Yes, after all we're all still taking photos. But I don't see the point in being satisfied with a "good enough" lineup when we could have an excellent and fully fleshed out one.
Jan 07, 2021 at 04:34 AM
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Teo Rey wrote:
All I'm saying is the minute people stop asking for more from a company is the minute they'll stop getting it, which is why we still don't have a 28, 100, 300, 500 GM, any long macros, tilt shifts, fisheyes, 1.2 glass, pancakes, more affordable options, all the other stuff people want, etc. I don't see a point in white knighting for these multi billion dollar companies that put out 2 or 3 lenses a year when they still have gaping holes in the lineup and the competition is catching up much faster. Are there great lenses for E-Mount?...Show more →
I don't think anything we say on this forum has much impact on what Sony does. As consumers, yes, Sony users should still be encouraging Sony to build more lenses, but what is the right size of a lens catalog? Should Sony build tilt/shift lenses? Should they build a long macro lens? Should they build a super high magnification macro lens? Should Sony build PF/DO lenses? I think part of what we may have to live with given the smaller photography market that has emerged over the last few years is that some lenses may not be built. I would like to see all of the lenses I mentioned built, but I doubt that happens.
What can we expect Sony to build? I think we can expect some sort of 28mm lens to be built which is more capable than the consumer level 28 f/2. I kind of expect a 28 f/1.8 G before too long. I don't think we will get a 100 GM, because we already have one (the 100 f/2.8 STF), I would love to see a 100 f/2 G, however, and I think that is possible. I think we will definitely see a 300 f/2.8 GM and a 500 f/4 GM.
Beyond that? I think we will see updates of current lenses. I expect an update of the 70-200 f/2.8 GM before long. The 35 f/1.4GM that we appear to be getting is of course an update too. I think we will likely get a 50 GM as well and it will likely be an f/1.2. I would also expect an update of the 24-70 f/2.8 GM as well before too long. I think the 70-200 f/4 G will get an update too in the not too distant future. That should keep them busy updating lenses for two to three years at least.
I think what we get in other specialty lenses will be interesting and hard to predict. Tilt/shift lenses? I am not sure what the market is? Sony would have to put a fair bit of R & D into them (you need a lot bigger image circle and the hardware for tilt/shift/rotate) and they may not get that money back. What about PF/DO lenses? They seem to sell well in Canon EF and Nikon F mount, but again the R & D costs may be high for Sony and it may not be profitable. Super magnification macro? We have options with Laowa, and I think Sony could build such a lens (Minolta had one), so I would love to see Sony make one, but again I have no idea what the market for such a lens would be. A long macro? Sony or Tamron or Tokina might build one and that may be just fine with Sony.
I agree we should continue to ask for any lens we might reasonably hope to buy, but I think we have to balance those desires with the realization that the market is not a big as it once was.
All I'm saying is the minute people stop asking for more from a company is the minute they'll stop getting it, which is why we still don't have a 28, 100, 300, 500 GM, any long macros, tilt shifts, fisheyes, 1.2 glass, pancakes, more affordable options, all the other stuff people want, etc. I don't see a point in white knighting for these multi billion dollar companies that put out 2 or 3 lenses a year when they still have gaping holes in the lineup and the competition is catching up much faster. Are there great lenses for E-Mount?...Show more →
I don't think anything we say on this forum has much impact on what Sony does. As consumers, yes, Sony users should still be encouraging Sony to build more lenses, but what is the right size of a lens catalog? Should Sony build tilt/shift lenses? Should they build a long macro lens? Should they build a super high magnification macro lens? Should Sony build PF/DO lenses? I think part of what we may have to live with given the smaller photography market that has emerged over the last few years is that some lenses may not be built. I would like to see all of the lenses I mentioned built, but I doubt that happens.
What can we expect Sony to build? I think we can expect some sort of 28mm lens to be built which is more capable than the consumer level 28 f/2. I kind of expect a 28 f/1.8 G before too long. I don't think we will get a 100 GM, because we already have one (the 100 f/2.8 STF), I would love to see a 100 f/2 G, however, and I think that is possible. I think we will definitely see a 300 f/2.8 GM and a 500 f/4 GM.
Beyond that? I think we will see updates of current lenses. I expect an update of the 70-200 f/2.8 GM before long. The 35 f/1.4GM that we appear to be getting is of course an update too. I think we will likely get a 50 GM as well and it will likely be an f/1.2. I would also expect an update of the 24-70 f/2.8 GM as well before too long. I think the 70-200 f/4 G will get an update too in the not too distant future. That should keep them busy updating lenses for two to three years at least.
I think what we get in other specialty lenses will be interesting and hard to predict. Tilt/shift lenses? I am not sure what the market is? Sony would have to put a fair bit of R & D into them (you need a lot bigger image circle and the hardware for tilt/shift/rotate) and they may not get that money back. What about PF/DO lenses? They seem to sell well in Canon EF and Nikon F mount, but again the R & D costs may be high for Sony and it may not be profitable. Super magnification macro? We have options with Laowa, and I think Sony could build such a lens (Minolta had one), so I would love to see Sony make one, but again I have no idea what the market for such a lens would be. A long macro? Sony or Tamron or Tokina might build one and that may be just fine with Sony.
I agree we should continue to ask for any lens we might reasonably hope to buy, but I think we have to balance those desires with the realization that the market is not a big as it once was.
Jan 07, 2021 at 09:13 AM
p.15 #15Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Someone on the dpreview forums pointed this out, so I won’t take credit for finding it, but check out 11:11 mark of the recently posted Z7ii review - they reference a high res camera shootout and show a Sony Riv with a lens mounted, but the text is blurred out. Could this be the new 35mm GM? If so, it could be announced really soon.
https://youtu.be/pSZaCV74EsU
https://youtu.be/pSZaCV74EsU
Jan 09, 2021 at 09:21 PM
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p.15 #16Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
ggweci wrote:
Someone on the dpreview forums pointed this out, so I won’t take credit for finding it, but check out 11:11 mark of the recently posted Z7ii review - they reference a high res camera shootout and show a Sony Riv with a lens mounted, but the text is blurred out. Could this be the new 35mm GM? If so, it could be announced really soon.
https://youtu.be/pSZaCV74EsU
Woudn't make a lot of sense given the other lenses are 24-70/4-ish zooms.
Someone on the dpreview forums pointed this out, so I won’t take credit for finding it, but check out 11:11 mark of the recently posted Z7ii review - they reference a high res camera shootout and show a Sony Riv with a lens mounted, but the text is blurred out. Could this be the new 35mm GM? If so, it could be announced really soon.
https://youtu.be/pSZaCV74EsU
Woudn't make a lot of sense given the other lenses are 24-70/4-ish zooms.
Jan 09, 2021 at 09:33 PM
p.15 #17Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
ggweci wrote:
Someone on the dpreview forums pointed this out, so I won’t take credit for finding it, but check out 11:11 mark of the recently posted Z7ii review - they reference a high res camera shootout and show a Sony Riv with a lens mounted, but the text is blurred out. Could this be the new 35mm GM? If so, it could be announced really soon.
https://youtu.be/pSZaCV74EsU
It has 0.89'/0.27m MFD and 67mm filter thread.
The FE 24/1.4 GM has 0.79'/0.24m MFD and 67mm thread.
I do think it's the new 35 GM.
Someone on the dpreview forums pointed this out, so I won’t take credit for finding it, but check out 11:11 mark of the recently posted Z7ii review - they reference a high res camera shootout and show a Sony Riv with a lens mounted, but the text is blurred out. Could this be the new 35mm GM? If so, it could be announced really soon.
https://youtu.be/pSZaCV74EsU
It has 0.89'/0.27m MFD and 67mm filter thread.
The FE 24/1.4 GM has 0.79'/0.24m MFD and 67mm thread.
I do think it's the new 35 GM.
Jan 09, 2021 at 09:34 PM
p.15 #18Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
It also doesn't appear to be a zoom, nor is it the 24 GM.
-Tim
RoamingScott wrote:
https://youtu.be/pSZaCV74EsUWoudn't make a lot of sense given the other lenses are 24-70/4-ish zooms.
-Tim
RoamingScott wrote:
ggweci wrote
Someone on the dpreview forums pointed this out, so I won’t take credit for finding it, but check out 11:11 mark of the recently posted Z7ii review - they reference a high res camera shootout and show a Sony Riv with a lens mounted, but the text is blurred out. Could this be the new 35mm GM? If so, it could be announced really soon.https://youtu.be/pSZaCV74EsU
Jan 09, 2021 at 09:38 PM
p.15 #19Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
A 50mm with "close focus" would be sweet....
Jan 09, 2021 at 10:44 PM
p.15 #20Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Would be weird to see a 35mm 1.4 with a non-petal shaped hood. Makes me think it’s more likely a little longer focal length
Jan 09, 2021 at 11:35 PM