JVan_02 wrote:
This lens is shaping up to be the better of the two 35 1.8s, for me at least. Still behind the 40 CF... but at like, 30% the price this time. Rendering is good, color rendition doesn't seem so forcefully yellow as the Sony, and if CA is worse for every sample like it was in the Frost review posted on the preceeding page—it might be even more correctable? Gonna have to see a lot more samples to get a better feel, but I haven't seen any samples posted outside Frost's review that had any visible fringing.
I agree, seems to be at least as good as the Sony.
Visible yes but does not seem to be worse than on the Sony. Also, in-camera correction probably won't work for the Samyang lens so this is most likely an uncorrected file.
Tonzah78 wrote:
Some more heavily edited samples. But I really like what I see here. Like the 75mm, it seems to render overall really nice. There's a certain "character" that I like.
keepcoding wrote:
These samples look really good I have to admit, I think I will give this lens a chance and order it.
There may some technical imperfections to the lens...that's is expected given the size, but the rendering looks good. Reminds me of the SY75, which I enjoy a lot.
FE 35 1.8 has a really gritty rendering that's had to love. The 35ZA has CA in the oof areas, as does the sonnar in the rx1rii, but the colors and overall rendering were pleasing. The samyang seems to render similarly
keepcoding wrote:
I agree, seems to be at least as good as the Sony.
As for visible CA, here is an example from ephotozine review at F8.
Visible yes but does not seem to be worse than on the Sony. Also, in-camera correction probably won't work for the Samyang lens so this is most likely an uncorrected file.
Hm, aight that does seem at least as bad as the Sony. Possibly worse. Not planning on getting it anyway (or at least not yet) but in my mind it's more forgivable as the other image characteristics of the Samyang seem to be an improvement on the Sony.
I'll want to see more samples and reviews, etc. Just the first impression.
JVan_02 wrote:
Hm, aight that does seem at least as bad as the Sony. Possibly worse. Not planning on getting it anyway (or at least not yet) but in my mind it's more forgivable as the other image characteristics of the Samyang seem to be an improvement on the Sony.
I'll want to see more samples and reviews, etc. Just the first impression.
New review. Auto-translate is available, and works... okay. Some parts unfortunately are unintelligible.
Samples continue to impress me a bit more. Wouldn't rate it as good as the CV 35 1.7 still, but probably the best option in this form factor for E-mount. Bokeh seems a bit less harsh than Sony's offering and less yellow accent than Sony's glass as well. If you're getting one of the standard size bodies and just want the best moderately fast lens, I'd still say the 40 CF is better overall and offers better versatility via MFD (and the corresponding reproduction ratio)... but pair this Samyang with the 7c and it'll probably be the closest thing you're going to get to an rx1 ii/r iii. It weighs less than the Leica Q2, even.
Curiously, it says this and other Samyang compact lenses have an aluminum alloy shell. Is there any hard data on this? Would be very interesting to know.
JVan_02 wrote:
Curiously, it says this and other Samyang compact lenses have an aluminum alloy shell. Is there any hard data on this? Would be very interesting to know.
It seems like Samyang would market that if true. I view metal in lenses as being mainly marketing ploys. The shell of these Samyang primes is very stiff compared to other composite lenses, but the thermal conductivity is low. I doubt they are any metal alloy.
I mean, unless it's REAL bad I generally find CA around OOF object less noticeable. Besides, everyone's favorite Sonnar lens has similar issues. Found a strong example here in the public flickr gallery:
I'm not arguing the Samyang is better than the Sonnar. But you have to consider other things go with it:
Sealing
Better AF algorithm
Better AF motor (not limited by unit focus)
Better high ISO
Stabilization
Better Battery
Can be swapped out for different lenses
Even if Sony releases an rx1r iii tomorrow, stabilization, AF motor, and batteries will be intractable advantages of the system Samyang is attached to. To get a better performance on OOF CA, you need to either get the 40 CF which is 1.7x the Samyang, the 35 1.2 ART which is 5x, the CV 35 1.7 which is MF only, or switch to Nikon for another 1.7x weight lens of the same FL.
Quiet OC wrote:
It seems like Samyang would market that if true. I view metal in lenses as being mainly marketing ploys. The shell of these Samyang primes is very stiff compared to other composite lenses, but the thermal conductivity is low. I doubt they are any metal alloy.
If there is one thing I despise about the camera industry, it's how much smoke and mirrors every manufacturer feels they have to use with marketing. I am not singling out Samyang for this at all, because I can't think of a single company that doesn't do this but—if I'm considering this cheaper lens, can you tell me at least in the ballpark (probably not exact formula as that's trademarked) what material this is made of? What are its expected resistances against parallel and perpendicular impacts, temp, etc?
And this is consistent for almost everything that matters to a lens. I mean, can you imagine any other industry where average performance of a product is so non-existent that your only hope of getting it is some generous blogger? Talking about mtf at infinity in case that wasn't clear.
I'm now sure I'll trade my SY45 for this as the sample pictures look good to me and I simply enjoy 35mm more. I think this lens is slightly optically worse compared to SY45, but I think that's mostly because 35mm is a "harder" focal length to implement than 45mm. I also miss closer MFD with the 45mm...
With Sony FE 35mm you get closer and sharp MFD, but that's nearly twice the price around here (not mentioning the batis, which I think is the best of the three, even with its AF and auto-closing aperture quirks, because of this )..
I'm colorblind and can't generally see CA (well really, ever) so I just have the description of what it is from other people...but I see whatever is happening around that cow lol
austinschutz wrote:
I'm colorblind and can't generally see CA (well really, ever) so I just have the description of what it is from other people...but I see whatever is happening around that cow lol
That is not CA around the cow. It is just the light from the sky, you can see how it changes color towards the horizon. Any lens would look like that, it is not the lens failing to focus different color spectrums in the same way.
grahamgibson wrote:
That is not CA around the cow. It is just the light from the sky, you can see how it changes color towards the horizon. Any lens would look like that, it is not the lens failing to focus different color spectrums in the same way.
Yes, that's a valid point, CA is probably mostly masked by this effect.
However, take a look on the other cow and fringing around and below the horns (200% this time):
I think there is no other way around it, this lens simply is suscpetible to CA (similarly to Sony FE35)...
I think the Samyang samples are more than acceptable for what the lens is (compact option) IMO. Sometimes the only reason you recognize a problem is because you are looking for it...and biases towards brand perceptions and reputations make see/not see things.
i.e. RX1RII Sonnar is highly regard right? But CA control is not its strong suit...
Mystik wrote:
I think the Samyang samples are more than acceptable for what the lens is (compact option) IMO. Sometimes the only reason you recognize a problem is because you are looking for it...and biases towards brand perceptions and reputations make see/not see things.
i.e. RX1RII Sonnar is highly regard right? But CA control is not its strong suit...
To be honest, in the pictures you posted I don't notice CA/fringing half as bad as SY35/FE35... maybe my eyes are biased knowing it's RX1
... but yes, I agree that it's not always a problem. In my case, I just hate fringing as my attempts at fixing it in post never leave me satisfied. Such a compact lens like SY35 has to have some compromises made, it's just that as of now I'm not convinced it's any better than FE35 (besides the price)...
grahamgibson wrote:
That is not CA around the cow. It is just the light from the sky, you can see how it changes color towards the horizon. Any lens would look like that, it is not the lens failing to focus different color spectrums in the same way.
Dang. It just looks white to me, I can't see the color shift at all, lol.
Edit, on second glance I can see it very slightly where the line is just transitioning from in focus to out of focus in the foreground. But, considering that I can't see it that well, I'm not worried about CA
Are the recent Samyangs any good at tracking focus? My Tamron 28-200 seems okay, but definitely not as good as my Sony primes (28 f/2, 55 f/1.8 or 85 f/1.8).
I've got a running and entirely unpredictable movement machine, aka a toddler, so focus speed is fairly important to me right now. My gut feeling is I should just bite the bullet and get the Sony since it will almost certainly keep up.
formula4speed wrote:
Are the recent Samyangs any good at tracking focus? My Tamron 28-200 seems okay, but definitely not as good as my Sony primes (28 f/2, 55 f/1.8 or 85 f/1.8).
I've got a running and entirely unpredictable movement machine, aka a toddler, so focus speed is fairly important to me right now. My gut feeling is I should just bite the bullet and get the Sony since it will almost certainly keep up.
I can only speak of my experience with SY45 (I think it uses the same AF motor as SY35) and it's the best Samyang AF wise I tried (maybe tied with SY75).
I never compared it directly with Sony top dogs, nor have I tested tracking exclusively but focus acquisition and precision is top notch...
Having owned the Samyang 75 1.8 and Sony 85 1.8, I found the AF speed and tracking better on the Sony when both shot an a7iii.
The AF on the FE 35 1.8 is almost instant. I think the AF on the Samy 35 1.8 will be quite quick and good for most subjects, but for things like tracking running dogs or children I would be shocked if the Sony wasn't better.
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