I was only able to find one review at that link. In any case, I VERY MUCH look forward to feedback from reviewers from this community. We all have seen the "reviews" from both Youtubers and Canon reps. To me, real customers and real world feedback is more valuable. I would love to hear back from those receiving their cameras this week.
p.2 #2 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
quantumloop wrote:
I'd say Canon has been about as up front as they possibly can be. If anything that worked against them; Sony usually keeps quiet about their flaws and just let's it surface after many people have bought it.
If that's true, that's not the worst way to handle PR. No one knows how flippin' awesome (or not awesome) the R5 is, but everyone is very keenly aware of this one really apparent flaw and it's all people can talk about. If this cropped up after purchase, the handful of people that need to shoot hours of 8k or RAW 4k or whatever is causing the most problems would be drowned out a little more by the effusive praise (or ridicule) given to the rest of the camera features.
I'm not saying it's a good way to do business, but it's one way to handle PR.
p.2 #3 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
JayPhoto1 wrote:
I was only able to find one review at that link. In any case, I VERY MUCH look forward to feedback from reviewers from this community. We all have seen the "reviews" from both Youtubers and Canon reps. To me, real customers and real world feedback is more valuable. I would love to hear back from those receiving their cameras this week.
Canon deleted the two 1 star reviews from idiots that basically stated in all caps one sentence reviews that the R5 overheats and is terrible. I will give the reviewers props for making it obvious that they were fake. Some of the snakes here on FM are a little harder to sniff out but I've been hiding them more rapidly for wasting my time.
p.2 #4 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
I have my R5. Tested stills by shooting 1500 exposures within a couple minutes (was testing buffer in both mechanical and electronic shutters). Camera was cool afterward. CF Express card was very slightly warm.
p.2 #5 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
It isn't shooting stills that is the issue, it is the fact that as you leave the camera on, and possibly engage the rear screen, that over time, regardless of 30 stills or 1000 stills, the camera temp goes up.
Stills don't tax the system, but having the sensor active for most of an hour and feeding the rear screen, I presume it becomes a heat sandwich, the LCD on the back and the sensor on the front, and the PCB sandwiched between.
That is what was posted before by others that had the R5 for evaluation.
p.2 #6 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
TeamSpeed wrote:
It isn't shooting stills that is the issue, it is the fact that as you leave the camera on, and possibly engage the rear screen, that over time, regardless of 30 stills or 1000 stills, the camera temp goes up.
Stills don't tax the system, but having the sensor active for most of an hour and feeding the rear screen, I presume it becomes a heat sandwich, the LCD on the back and the sensor on the front, and the PCB sandwiched between.
That is what was posted before by others that had the R5 for evaluation.
How is this any different than any other mirrorless brands that don't have this problem? Also, you should set your camera to go to sleep after 1-2 min to avoid pointless battery wasting and rear screen-on time.
Jesse Evans wrote:
4. All of these testers were using 120hz refresh rate EVF, and the camera was more or less left on. For Gerald Undone, it was 40 photos shot throughout the course of an hour with the camera left in it's 1 minute to shutdown mode.
40 stills over the course of an hour with a 1min rest mode is as close to not even using the camera as it possibly gets. I would sure hope it doesn't overheat.
p.2 #7 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
It is a very valid case. When I shoot an NBA game, my cameras, even with sleep activated, are rarely ever off. I am always taking a shot of a fan here, or a player there, etc. Even during a play review by the officials, I am shooting players and crowd. Then perhaps after a period of time, as the quarter nears the end, I would like a few videos of action to accommodate my stills for the office. I can do video, but not 4k slo mo, which is a cool effect to give the marketing group to edit.
So that is just one example of where shooting stills and having the camera on for an extended time eats into your higher end video modes. This needs fixed, everyone knows it, Canon knows it, but the extent at which this impacts any given person is very dependent on that person and their shooting conditions.
p.2 #8 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
tiggy wrote:
I have my R5. Tested stills by shooting 1500 exposures within a couple minutes (was testing buffer in both mechanical and electronic shutters). Camera was cool afterward. CF Express card was very slightly warm.
Feel free to copy past your post over there into here for discussion.
These two observations you made are encouraging. Can't wait to get home to mine today.
"1) Rolling shutter is amazingly well controlled. Need more proper testing, but first impression makes it seem like my A9 II. Really unexpectedly good. "
"8) Tracking is noticeably improved, even from the R tracking after the most recent firmware update. It is on par with my A9 II and A7r4; and the animal eye tracking is probably quite a bit better."
p.2 #9 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
tifa3 wrote:
this is probably Canons worst launch (not bc the camera is bad) but bc of overreaction and trolls plus delays
Depends on how folks look at it.
Every review shows Canon R5's IBIS stomping the daylights out of Sony which had a head start on that feature. So there are squabblers.
One other possible way Canon could have release the R5 would have been this ...
Release the R5 as a 4K body, with a note about an optional firmware upgrade that would enable variable use of 8K if purchasers wished to add the extra component. That would have advertised it as an 8K camera with smaller expectations and bigger safistfaction by getting a freebie.
p.2 #10 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
I think this is a good Canon release, but they underestimated the impacts of the heat cycling/cool down cycling impact on people. For still shooters, the camera is a beast.
p.2 #12 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
mdvaden wrote:
People commenting, should try to avoid exaggerating.
I have never seen a single reviewer overheat the Canon R5. It's near impossible if the heat limiting hardware shuts it down on time.
Except you're wrong. Armando showed how easy it is to overheat it when you use an external HDMI monitor, which...hint hint...just about every video pro does. Using HDMI out disables the overheating controls, and now just makes the camera fail from excess heat in the middle of shooting without warning.
edit: he even mentions in the closing seconds that after it overheated in a hot environment, they couldn't get it recording again even after an hour of cooldown.
p.2 #13 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
TeamSpeed wrote:
I think this is a good Canon release, but they underestimated the impacts of the heat cycling/cool down cycling impact on people. For still shooters, the camera is a beast.
I think the problem is how Canon marketed the R5.
It focused too much on the 8K capability. IMO, it should have tamed down the 8K capability (making it a tad less relevant and a bit more useful) and focus more on its still capabilities. The 8K would then be a "have it just in case" function or people who "work around the limitation" to use.
The 5DII was done just right. It could do full HD and back then it was a huge deal. But that was never the focus, at least not from the marketing perspective.
By putting too much emphasis on 8K capability, but delivering a less than ideal product for that specific purpose, and you get the mess Canon is in now.
I'd be furious if I got the R5 to shoot 8K and only to find I can barely make it work to do that.... despite it being an amazing still cam.
p.2 #14 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
I agree, Canon did market the dickens out of the high end 8K video.
- If still shooting didn't impact video capacity at all, there wouldn't be so much guff.
- If the cool down period wasn't 2 hours long just to get some reduced shooting back later, ditto.
- If Canon had employed various copper sheets or heat sink material to add to diffusion of the heat inside, they probably could have eliminated most of the issues mentioned above and probably raised their prices 50 or so.
p.2 #15 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
RoamingScott wrote:
Except you're wrong. Armando showed how easy it is to overheat it when you use an external HDMI monitor, which...hint hint...just about every video pro does. Using HDMI out disables the overheating controls, and now just makes the camera fail from excess heat in the middle of shooting without warning.
Nope.
You just stated that I was right about what I said.
I've never seen a video of it overheating ---- CHECK and if the overheating hardware can do it's thing, it won't overheat ---- CHECK !
What you commented about are exceptions to what I wrote about. Although, it is interesting and useful to know about.
p.2 #18 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
mdvaden wrote:
People commenting, should try to avoid exaggerating.
I have never seen a single reviewer overheat the Canon R5. It's near impossible if the heat limiting hardware shuts it down on time.
When the camera overheats, it shuts down, the very thing that has been discussed over and over and over. Nice try with the word games... Of course you haven't "seen" it done, but you have heard about it and the proof is in front of you, you just refuse to watch it and acknowledge it. There is no exaggeration, nothing, there have been a few reviewers that have shown it, a few videos made with the R5 where they talk about shutdown during the making of the video, and then there's Rudy from Canon that has talked about it in a video. Finally there is the Canon documentation itself that talks about how the camera video will shut down when it overheats.
p.2 #19 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
Gerald is doing a live stream right now with both the R5 and R6. He's outputting the live view, but not recording internally. started at 4K30 HQ. The R6 is holding up generally well. The R5 shut down after 41 minutes of use, without recording.
Switching to 4K30 standard and it's back up without issue. He made the point that Canon should not have marketed this as an 8K camera..."it's not an 8K camera...it can shoot for a few minutes if it's cold, but that's it." Also not good for any heavy shooting at 4K60 or 4K HQ...but for 'EOS R level 4K without a crop' which is the standard 4K, it should work well for hybrid shooters, but that should be the expectation for video / hybrid shooting.
Edit: Gerald kept streaming with the R5 in its lower 4K standard mode (which it appears it can do more or less forever), for about 40 minutes...went to switch back to HQ mode and it immediately shut off. He states that the only way to go back to high quality mode is to shut it completely off for significant periods of time, so you can't keep the camera on in HQ and just shoot short clips...once it overheats, it has to completely cool while off before the higher quality modes are usable again. But standard mode is good to go.
I quote: "The R5 is not an 8K or 4k oversampled production video camera. It's an EOS R-level video camera"
Also, the R6 is close to shutting down, but has been lasting with the blinking red temp warning for about 20 minutes and is holding in there.
p.2 #20 · Reviewers citing overheating issues at the Canon site?
TeamSpeed wrote:
When the camera overheats, it shuts down, the very thing that has been discussed over and over and over. Nice try with the word games... Of course you haven't "seen" it done, but you have heard about it and the proof is in front of you, you just refuse to watch it and acknowledge it. There is no exaggeration, nothing, there have been a few reviewers that have shown it, a few videos made with the R5 where they talk about shutdown during the making of the video, and then there's Rudy from Canon that has talked about it in a video. Finally there is the Canon documentation itself that talks about how the camera video will shut down when it overheats....Show more →
Yes .. I've heard Rudy, seen the documents and know what it means. And when I posted, I bet 100% you know what I mean. I understand that there is an operating temp, a temp where the camera can shut off, and temp above that. But I gather from posts I've made, here and other threads, good chance you know what I mean.
On another note ..
It could be a good time to reflect on the release of the IDX mk iii .. because it seemed to have very little that had people concerned about like the R5
