p.22 #1 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
I have this inkling that your feet will soon be firmly planted in Canon territory, and for a long time. There is not much that anyone can do to surpass what Canon has now (finally) achieved with AF, IBIS, etc. I believe it’s (almost) as good as it gets. In terms of ergonomics and handling there is no contest.
If Nikon can get up to speed with the AF on their Z line, a flood of ex-Nikon shooters will cross back to Nikon and it may reverse the financial tailspin they are in now. And I really hope they do, as Nikon is such an institution with a very steep history in camera development.
arbitrage wrote:
But once again this video shows that the algorithms are very smart for the bird eye-af...I continue to be amazed at how it finds the bird's eyes even as it drops into shadow. I'm itching to try it out but I know I'll drop $10K for the body and one lens and then the next day Sony will drop the Bird Eye-AF update for my two cameras and they will be neck and neck again. GAS must be tamed here
p.22 #2 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
This is not a nothing burger. First, Gerald is an exceptionally thorough reviewer who is extremely knowledgeable about the craft and the technical aspects of video and photography.
Second, he follows up in later tweets giving details, that the shooting was about 40 shots, all single AF and single drive. This is not unusual shooting. And if the camera is in a video overheat mode from normal shooting outside before a single frame of video has been shot, that's a big issue.
He did state that you could film HD video, or Continue shooting stills, and potentially 4K24...but 8K, 4KHQ and 4K60 were all unavailable.
This is not the same as a battery running out. You can replace a battery and keep shooting. This is a camera being physically unable to operate due to overheating after fairly typical usage.
I don't shoot video, so this isn't a big deal to me, but it is most definitely a very big deal for anyone who plans to use these cameras as hybrid cameras or for video.
mdvaden wrote:
aka a "nothing burger"
It's not even news, but an opinion or possible mistake. Because most folks who like to shoot video will learn how to use the gear and plan accordingly.
There are other ways to fail. For example, I could have shot my 5D mk iii all day taking photos, using up 98% of 4 batteries. Then all of a sudden, try to take video .. and nothing is left. That would be poor planning.
p.22 #4 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
bobbytan wrote:
I have this inkling that your feet will soon be firmly planted in Canon territory, and for a long time. There is not much that anyone can do to surpass what Canon has now (finally) achieved with AF, IBIS, etc. I believe it’s (almost) as good as it gets. In terms of ergonomics and handling there is no contest.
If Nikon can get up to speed with the AF on their Z line, a flood of ex-Nikon shooters will cross back to Nikon and it may reverse the financial tailspin they are in now. And I really hope they do, as Nikon is such an institution with a very steep history in camera development.
Knowing me my gear kit by beginning of 2021 will probably look something as crazy as this :
Canon R5
Canon RF 100-500
Canon 400 DOII
EF TC set
RF 1.4TC
Sony A9II
Sony 200-600
Sony 600/4
Sony TC set
Nikon Z7s (the rumoured mark II)
Nikon 500PF
Nikon 300PF
Nikon TC set
The 500PF is still the best portable lens in existence IMHO.
IMO, which is just a hunch, the A9II is still going to have an edge for being able to track the fastest BIF (not because of the AF) but because of the EVF experience and no lag/slideshow etc.
The R5 will satisfy my GAS...I get bored without some new gear to go out and take the same photos of the same birds that I took the previous year with my old gear
p.22 #5 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
mdvaden wrote:
aka a "nothing burger"
It's not even news, but an opinion or possible mistake. Because most folks who like to shoot video will learn how to use the gear and plan accordingly.
There are other ways to fail. For example, I could have shot my 5D mk iii all day taking photos, using up 98% of 4 batteries. Then all of a sudden, try to take video .. and nothing is left. That would be poor planning.
It's would seem you aren't up to speed on the details of the issue while also not knowing how one that uses video for paid work operates. You cannot plan around the current issues unless you buy two or three of the cameras or you just stay with 4k 24/30, when Canon advertised it as an 8k/4kHQ camera.
Perhaps I am wrong though, so when you get your R5/6, and want to do video work with it, what are your plans to work around the issue and plan better? I am curious what tidbits you have for others since you are so keen on video.
p.22 #7 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
arbitrage wrote:
Do you know where about in the video they ask about the AF coverage for EF?
I used the EF 70-300L on the R for about two months before I got the RF 70-200 — Pretty sure I didn’t notice not being able to move me focus point anywhere on the screen I wanted to. I regularly used the bottom left/right of the screen to grab focus at the horizon. I may not have moved it all the way to the corner, but I never noticed it being limited versus RF.
Is the R5 being reported as having less coverage for EF? I thought the “less coverage” thing was all about the RF f/11 lenses that only have the center-ish area available.
p.22 #8 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
highdesertmesa wrote:
I used the EF 70-300L on the R for about two months before I got the RF 70-200 — Pretty sure I didn’t notice not being able to move me focus point anywhere on the screen I wanted to. I regularly used the bottom left/right of the screen to grab focus at the horizon. I may not have moved it all the way to the corner, but I never noticed it being limited versus RF.
Is the R5 being reported as having less coverage for EF? I thought the “less coverage” thing was all about the RF f/11 lenses that only have the center-ish area available....Show more →
Someone was mentioning it maybe earlier in this thread or somewhere else. We thought it may just be the 10% horizontal reduction that the 1DXIII LV has compared to the 100% in both directions that the R5/6 have. I really don't think there will be any significant reduction or it would have been mentioned more by now. And as you say if the R doesn't have any significant reduction then the R5/6 surely won't.
My understanding was it was just the f/11 lenses that reduced to that centre square area.
p.22 #9 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Some things can't be planned. 40°c (104°F) is not uncommon in Kgalagadi during summer.
I'd hate to hit the overheating warning (or even shutting down camera) when a cheetah decides to chase a springbok.
Or even during shooting a documentary, when something spontaneous happens and you just shot a short video. I agree with @TeamSpeed that canon advertised this camera with game changing video features, where in reality these features are greatly limited by overheating. To me it feels like they wanted to show off in specs, and not entirely thought it through.
I also wonder, since this camera is heating up inside (how much in comparison to previous models we don't know yet), how this affects noise with longer exposures.
p.22 #10 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
arbitrage wrote:
That can't be a mirrorless camera photo can it? It looks like a DSLR coverage photo. I don't think they would make a reduced coverage into that typical DSLR pattern of points. With the f/11 DO lenses they make it into a square.
I just had a look where that photo shows up in the transcript and I really think they just pulled out a random photo they had of an animal in the VF from a DSLR. Even the green display at the bottom is DSLR....now I need to go watch the video and see the hand gestures I guess...Show more →
He is asked about the AF and coverage again near the end of the video at 2:20:33...
p.22 #11 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
They thought it through, you don't just throw in the video capabilities, those are very hard to design for and program for. The issue is that when the sun of all the parts can together combined with great weather sealing, the innards just can't chill down very quickly.
Sony had their issues with overheating and that was with 4k even.
The camera would need to either be more open to air for air flow (no good for the rest of us), or be a bulkier body with a new battery system at a price to cover all that, so that it contains a closed loop cooling like some computers have, but again not good for the masses.
Canon has no alternatives other that a) give the shooter very limited abilities to shoot at cinemas quality or b) disable those modes completely.
So really this isn't a camera ready for prime time 4k 60/120 or 8k, and people have to honor that when they are looking for a camera for their projects. If you do video and want those modes, Canon isn't it, you will have to buy much more expensive and reliable gear.
That being said, there is no planning around the issue, especially if you are a mixed shooter where you are rattling off frame after frame of still photos and then decide you want the video of some critical time, then find out you can't....
p.22 #12 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
TeamSpeed wrote:
It's would seem you aren't up to speed on the details of the issue while also not knowing how one that uses video for paid work operates. You cannot plan around the current issues unless you buy two or three of the cameras or you just stay with 4k 24, when Canon advertised it as an 8k/4kHQ camera.
Perhaps I am wrong though, so when you get your R5/6, and want to do video work with it, what are your plans to work around the issue and plan better? I am curious what tidbits you have for others since you are so keen on video....Show more →
Another bite of the nothing burger — doesn’t taste great to me. But at least you can keep shooting stills. But dang, he wasn’t even pushing it. Makes me concerned for someone outdoors in the heat for several hours shooting the occasional bursts at 12-20 fps to the CFe card. Maybe the R5 has no thermal limit for stills, but if it does...
p.22 #13 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Pius Sullivan wrote:
He is asked about the AF and coverage again near the end of the video at 2:20:33...
It sounds like it will be minor. Probably things like the 800L and using Mark II TCs will reduce it but all the current lenses will have either 100% or 1DXIII minor side reduction.
p.22 #14 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
I assume Max’s editing video was posted before but that to me seems to be a bigger issue for those wanting to do a lot of video more so than the heat limits.
Though I could see updates to the editing programs helping that out going forward. But currently the codec is basically uneditable even on a $10K MacPro with 192GB of RAM. 8K Raw seems to be the best to shoot in or going down to 4K30.
p.22 #15 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
arbitrage wrote:
I assume Max’s editing video was posted before but that to me seems to be a bigger issue for those wanting to do a lot of video more so than the heat limits.
Though I could see updates to the editing programs helping that out going forward. But currently the codec is basically uneditable even on a $10K MacPro with 192GB of RAM. 8K Raw seems to be the best to shoot in or going down to 4K30.
His MacBook has overheating issues as well. Any laptop doing this kind of heavy work is prone to thermo throttling on the CPU which is bad for performance. Then he talks about the 15 thousand 12 core Mac workstation. Yes the Vega graphics are nice, but the new 3rd Gen threadripper CPUs are much better suited for these tasks. And you can build a system cheaper than 15k that does better than his shiny apple box. I'm interested to see how the 3rd Gen threadripper runs through it on my new workstation.
But it seems also a codec issue instead of resolution alone.
p.22 #16 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
arbitrage wrote:
Knowing me my gear kit by beginning of 2021 will probably look something as crazy as this :
Canon R5
Canon RF 100-500
Canon 400 DOII
EF TC set
RF 1.4TC
Sony A9II
Sony 200-600
Sony 600/4
Sony TC set
Nikon Z7s (the rumoured mark II)
Nikon 500PF
Nikon 300PF
Nikon TC set
The 500PF is still the best portable lens in existence IMHO.
IMO, which is just a hunch, the A9II is still going to have an edge for being able to track the fastest BIF (not because of the AF) but because of the EVF experience and no lag/slideshow etc.
The R5 will satisfy my GAS...I get bored without some new gear to go out and take the same photos of the same birds that I took the previous year with my old gear ...Show more →
My dilemma revolves around my very good copy of the Canon 600mm f4 IS mkII and using it adapted on my A9 and A7R4 (which works fairly well) or buying the R5 for this lens - along with the EF-RF adapter. I could sell the Canon 600mm and some other gear and get the Sony 600mm f4 and stick with the A9 and A7R4. The weight difference does not concern me since I never hand hold such a long lens, but getting great BIF ability and great fps is a major draw. I have other Canon L glass that I adapt now as well as several great Sony lenses. The "problem" with the R5 for me is a lack of the Canon 100-400 mkII (which I sold), so I suppose the 100-500 might be an option. Within a week I expect we'll be seeing lots of "real world" reports on the R5 and its abilities with a production level camera. I'll be most interested to see how it performs with the EF-RF converter and long lenses. I admit the allure of the Sony 600mm f4 on native Sony bodies is a strong one... Decisions decisions...
p.22 #17 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
arbitrage wrote:
I assume Max’s editing video was posted before but that to me seems to be a bigger issue for those wanting to do a lot of video more so than the heat limits.
Though I could see updates to the editing programs helping that out going forward. But currently the codec is basically uneditable even on a $10K MacPro with 192GB of RAM. 8K Raw seems to be the best to shoot in or going down to 4K30.
My hopes of doing 4K/120 in iMovie on my MacBook Air have been dashed
p.22 #18 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
TeamSpeed wrote
It's would seem you aren't up to speed on the details of the issue while also not knowing how one that uses video for paid work operates. You cannot plan around the current issues unless you buy two or three of the cameras or you just stay with 4k 24, when Canon advertised it as an 8k/4kHQ camera..
I am up to speed on much of the issue, and realize you may not be up to speed on what I'm aware of, or wrote ("plan"). That's why I also referred to planning, which connotes using more than one body, etc., etc..
Maybe move along and quote other people about your speculation.
If you don't want an R5 .. don't buy an R5. Someone else may buy the R5's 8K capability, and make thousands of dollars with the feature, or even save thousands of dollars by not risking a more expensive camera for some situations.
p.22 #19 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
therealthings wrote:
His MacBook has overheating issues as well. Any laptop doing this kind of heavy work is prone to thermo throttling on the CPU which is bad for performance. Then he talks about the 15 thousand 12 core Mac workstation. Yes the Vega graphics are nice, but the new 3rd Gen threadripper CPUs are much better suited for these tasks. And you can build a system cheaper than 15k that does better than his shiny apple box. I'm interested to see how the 3rd Gen threadripper runs through it on my new workstation.
But it seems also a codec issue instead of resolution alone. ...Show more →
I tried a sample 8K R5 raw clip on my 3900x/1080ti in Premiere Pro and it was clunky, but then again Premiere is crap. I imagine DaVinci would do better (which I also use) but I don't believe it has Canon raw support yet.
p.22 #20 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
snapsy wrote:
I tried a sample 8K R5 raw clip on my 3900x/1080ti in Premiere Pro and it was clunky, but then again Premiere is crap. I imagine DaVinci would do better (which I also use) but I don't believe it has Canon raw support yet.
Yes premiere does not fully use the cpu's capacity very well i am told. But I do believe the 3900x with the 1080 is more than sufficient for editing.
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