p.3 #1 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
bobbytan wrote:
Unfortunately you are not going to see many meaningful reviews from people who are not affiliated to Canon in any way, as the production cameras have not landed on our shores yet.
right.
canon sends them a camera that isn't fully cooked.
since, they are not fully cooked, the review is not permitted to contain talk about XYZ.
and we are getting mostly positive spin, as a result.
but some folks are honest, which is nice. unbiased.
Sal is not honest. he's a spin doctor. He's all about buzz words.
But it is what it is.
I know the RF glass is legit. I own the entire kit that I need/want. Just waiting on more resolving power.
I will be happy with the R5 based on what I see in these videos.
I am not a video guy, though.
p.3 #2 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
bobbytan wrote:
Unfortunately you are not going to see many meaningful reviews from people who are not affiliated to Canon in any way, as the production cameras have not landed on our shores yet.
Yes, you are right. It was mentioned to Zenion Chjar, who hoped there might be any important information in this german marketing video.
I am in good hope that both new bodies are excellent. And yes, I am following all possible "first hands" videos myself. Until now (one day after the Presentation) I saw marketing videos only and all hyped the new cameras. I am looking foreward to get the R6 in my own hands. And already now I am pretty sure I will hit the purchase button (maybe spring 2021. Or in summer when things hopefully might have get more normal again). Much time to get the real important information (for example here at FM).
p.3 #4 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Dj R wrote:
nice find, thank you
added to first post.
He told exactly the same in german. The german version is longer because he additional talked about the 100-500 and what a great combo both together give you.
p.3 #8 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Ralph Conway wrote:
What is wrong with "blackout" while using the mechanical shutter? This is how it always has been since DSLRs exist. When the shutter is closed no light hits the sensor. What else you would like to see than a blackout?
My R is know where near any DSLR I have even owned. Maybe I'm using the wrong terminology. More like a slide show.
p.3 #9 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Ralph Conway wrote:
What is wrong with "blackout" while using the mechanical shutter? This is how it always has been since DSLRs exist. When the shutter is closed no light hits the sensor. What else you would like to see than a blackout?
The blackout on a mirrorless is more pronounced and so it is a bit harder to keep up with the action. So a regular DSLR might have you notice what seems like a blink of an eye, on the R for example, its like 2-3 blinks or more of blackout. You have to anticipate the motion more.
I will say that the newer firmware update on the R has it behaving WAY better for motion shots and the eye AF/face tracking works 100x better than it did when the camera first came out. People are saying the 5 and 6 are head and shoulders above that, so my gosh is it going to be amazing.
p.3 #12 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Zenon Char wrote:
Thanks Ralph. Besides a few of the video heating things being discussed the other big one is blackout while burst shooting. We have seen electronic examples that look pretty good but it appears mechanical is a little vague. Things are moving so fast right now I may have missed any info on it.
Ralph Conway wrote:
What is wrong with "blackout" while using the mechanical shutter? This is how it always has been since DSLRs exist. When the shutter is closed no light hits the sensor. What else you would like to see than a blackout?
mikeinctown wrote:
The blackout on a mirrorless is more pronounced and so it is a bit harder to keep up with the action. So a regular DSLR might have you notice what seems like a blink of an eye, on the R for example, its like 2-3 blinks or more of blackout. You have to anticipate the motion more.
I will say that the newer firmware update on the R has it behaving WAY better for motion shots and the eye AF/face tracking works 100x better than it did when the camera first came out. People are saying the 5 and 6 are head and shoulders above that, so my gosh is it going to be amazing. ...Show more →
It's probably similar to the blackout of a lower-end DSLR with a slow mirror box system vs. something like a 1DX, a camera that is extremely responsive, even in single frame mode. I quickly tried the 1DXIII in live view AF with 20fps mechanical shutter and the stutter/blackout was minimal and it was not difficult to concentrate on where the subject was in the frame. If the R5 is similarly responsive and has a similar blackout period, but is shooting at 12fps instead, theoretically the image feed should be on the display for a greater percentage and thus be easier to follow.
The issue I have with still-frame substitution is that it momentarily tricks my brain into thinking the subject stopped moving, even though I know better. I lose anticipation of where the subject should be once the live feed returns. For this reason I'd rather have blackout than stutter. It would be like being in a moving car driving past a slatted fence and seeing something on the other side. I'm still able to keep a fix on that thing despite the 'blackout' by the fence slats. For me, that kind of interference is like white noise. But if the EVF presents a still image during that moment, it forces my brain to identify and concentrate on something else during that 'idle moment' instead of waiting for the live feed to return.
p.3 #13 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Ralph Conway wrote:
You must not. I tested about a half dozend lenses with R/RP and adapter and they all work as good or better than they did with native EF bodies before. That is what Irene Rudnik mentioned in the video about her 85mm MK1. It is my experience with the mirrorless R-System, too. Just keep your lenses and add one or two RF ones only if you really need them for a job or project.
What I was missing: Irene tested "high ISO" about "500". Sorry but this is far far far bejond high ISO. Its like calling 25 Miles per hower "high speed". For me that sounds more like "base ISO".
I would love to see R5/R6s noise capabilities at ISO numbers above 6.400 (and up to 25.600).
You just actually gave me hope... I never really thought about keeping my EF lineup and just upgrading to R6 for weddings.
Adapters are cheap and I absolutely love my EF lineup right now. The only lens I see myself adding to the list would be either an 85/1.2RF or 70-200RF.
p.3 #17 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
bobbytan wrote:
10 things to consider about the R5. I apologize if someone has already posted this video elsewhere.
Point #1 is just what I wanted to explain yesterday. No one who is not payed by, connected in great relation to Canon or nailed about what to say by (monster) NDAs would have got any R5/R6 pre-production bodies to be able to bring a "hands on" review out on YouTube one day after the worldwide introduction.
Thank you for the link. I did not see this before. And I just added Matt to my YT-abos.
p.3 #18 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
rscheffler wrote:
The issue I have with still-frame substitution is that it momentarily tricks my brain into thinking the subject stopped moving, even though I know better. I lose anticipation of where the subject should be once the live feed returns. For this reason I'd rather have blackout than stutter. It would be like being in a moving car driving past a slatted fence and seeing something on the other side. I'm still able to keep a fix on that thing despite the 'blackout' by the fence slats. For me, that kind of interference is like white noise. But if the EVF presents a still image during that moment, it forces my brain to identify and concentrate on something else during that 'idle moment' instead of waiting for the live feed to return....Show more →
Exactly. All mirrorless cameras should have an user option to enable blackout in the EVF if they they use some sort of still-frame substitution or semi-review Image between shots. Sony A9 doesn’t need it, but beyond that it should be required.
If it is not possible yet but needed on the R5, I’m sure they will add it in a firmware upgrade. I can’t believe that I’m writing that about Canon but something have definitely changed within the company for the better!
