p.84 #4 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
I’ll be posting some in here shortly, Steve, because it’s the only way to still hang out with the superior Sony forum posters If I could make the R4 rudimentarily work for BIF, the R5 should be a no brainer. Indians and arrows and whatnot.
1bwana1 wrote:
Looking for R5 images in this thread.
Also the slow frame rate missed the moment.
Eyes are a bit soft as well. Maybe you should follow Arbitrage's supplied link.
p.84 #5 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Pius Sullivan wrote:
Arbitrage, Your buddy from Aussie land is at it again...
I watched that. Good video. I think I agree with everything he says for the most part.
He and I have very different needs and priorities when it comes to choosing between those two cameras. Sounds like once I start up my vlogging YT channel then the R5 will be just the ticket
Video also confirmed my suspicion that duncang must have been out there with him that day and was the one lending him Sony gear.
p.84 #6 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Pius Sullivan wrote:
Being a little hard on the old DSLR's aren't you....
Yeah, my back still has a grudge against them for all the pain caused hauling them around for years.
In reality DSLRs are nice old guys whose time has passed. We should respect the aged who worked hard and contributed to society. I will have to work on forgiving them.
p.84 #8 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Jan's videos are usually excellent. I haven't watched this yet,, so will be interesting to see his comments. Given how unimpressed he was with the A9II, mostly since it doesn't have eye-AF he should love the A1 a lot more. It's funny though how easily we get addicted to the new tech. I'm getting huge numbers of keepers on my A9 be it BIF, birds in bush, waders etc all using flexible spot, center or expand flexible spot and no tracking. But it now seems you can't possible do that without eye-AF. I will upgrade to the A1 eventually, and no doubt I will make use of eye-AF a lot but for the freedom of composition, I certainly won't be a slave to it. Luckily these cameras make it a doddle to set up two (or more) focus modes trivially.
p.84 #9 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
The A9II was already a better camera than the R5 without Bird eye AF! I know my A9II would get the birds eyes in focus 99% of the time... it was uncanny. So if this fella wasn't impressed it's because he didn't spend enough time with the A9II, or didn't understand how to set it up optimally for Birding. What do I love about my A1? It's an A9II with more pixels yes the BEAF is there , but like I said results are similar to my A9II which is a very good thing
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Jan's videos are usually excellent. I haven't watched this yet,, so will be interesting to see his comments. Given how unimpressed he was with the A9II, mostly since it doesn't have eye-AF he should love the A1 a lot more. It's funny though how easily we get addicted to the new tech. I'm getting huge numbers of keepers on my A9 be it BIF, birds in bush, waders etc all using flexible spot, center or expand flexible spot and no tracking. But it now seems you can't possible do that without eye-AF. I will upgrade to the A1 eventually, and no doubt I will make use of eye-AF a lot but for the freedom of composition, I certainly won't be a slave to it. Luckily these cameras make it a doddle to set up two (or more) focus modes trivially....Show more →
p.84 #10 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
I should have added, now CAnon will have a stacked sensor soon in the R3 and in a professional body, even with a large resolution disadvantage, the A1 might be in for a real fight for the performance crown. I still have most of my EF glass and am really looking forward to how the R3 stacks up against the competition. Then by end of the year Z9 will be released and I think it may have a few surprises given how serious Nikon takes the pro market. Also it will not have a resolution deficit compared to A1 since it's also confirmed 8K video camera.
p.84 #11 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Maxxus46 wrote:
The A9II was already a better camera than the R5 without Bird eye AF! I know my A9II would get the birds eyes in focus 99% of the time... it was uncanny. So if this fella wasn't impressed it's because he didn't spend enough time with the A9II, or didn't understand how to set it up optimally for Birding. What do I love about my A1? It's an A9II with more pixels yes the BEAF is there , but like I said results are similar to my A9II which is a very good thing
Yeah look, that's the trouble with people that review gear that is alien to them. You don't master the A9 AF in a few hours or even days. That's why i like guys like Mark Smith that actually buy the gear and usually don't post their comparison videos until they have been shooting with the new gear for quite a while.
If you look at Jan's videos he often shoots with another superb bird photographer Duade Paton, and Duade absolutely hated the R6 when he got it. He couldn't get the hang of the AF and thought it was hopeless compared to his 5DIV. Now he's finally mastered the settings and customised it he now thinks it's incredible and would never go back to his DSLR.
This is why I love this forum because we have excellent photographers that have actually invested in gear from multiple brands and have used said gear extensively and can give unbiased feedback about pros and cons. Let's face it all the current high end gear is amazing for us birders and you really can't go wrong. For me at the moment Canon Australia is pricing itself out of reach especially on glass. Sony Australia is really aggressive with pricing, often much cheaper than US prices adjusted for currency.
p.84 #12 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
100% agree! Take care
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Yeah look, that's the trouble with people that review gear that is alien to them. You don't master the A9 AF in a few hours or even days. That's why i like guys like Mark Smith that actually buy the gear and usually don't post their comparison videos until they have been shooting with the new gear for quite a while.
If you look at Jan's videos he often shoots with another superb bird photographer Duade Paton, and Duade absolutely hated the R6 when he got it. He couldn't get the hang of the AF and thought it was hopeless compared to his 5DIV. Now he's finally mastered the settings and customised it he now thinks it's incredible and would never go back to his DSLR.
This is why I love this forum because we have excellent photographers that have actually invested in gear from multiple brands and have used said gear extensively and can give unbiased feedback about pros and cons. Let's face it all the current high end gear is amazing for us birders and you really can't go wrong. For me at the moment Canon Australia is pricing itself out of reach especially on glass. Sony Australia is really aggressive with pricing, often much cheaper than US prices adjusted for currency. ...Show more →
p.84 #16 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
First impression of the R5 body and lenses compared to the R4:
- I can take low angle pics using the flippy LCD without getting on my knees or worse. Yay!
- The back scroll wheel doesn't click like a D-Pad and that confused me for way too long...it's very odd having to use the AF joystick for D-Pad functions, but clicking it in only works in half the screens, and you have to hit Set for the others. I also forgot I could use the touchscreen instead, which works far better than the AF joystick method
- There is a noticeable heft increase across the board, and everything feels more front heavy than analogous Sony lenses. However, the grip is far deeper/better than the R4 and my pinky isn't clinging on desperately, basically negating the weight increase.
- Canon zoom lenses rotate in the opposite direction. Goodbye years of muscle memory!
- The EVF is FAR easier for me to see than the Alpha bodies. I felt like I had to cram my eyeball into the camera, and I was still missing edges of the EVF on Sony.
-On/Off switch action feels backwards to what my brain thinks it should be. Also hate the left side placement but it is what it is.
-Shutter is just as pleasantly soft as the R4.
-I like that when mounting a lens, the markers are at the very top of the mount and not at 2 oclock. That always annoyed the hell out of me on my Sony bodies. I also like that the lens release button is on the opposite side from the grip, preventing accidental loosenings.
-100-500 has a terrible design flaw of not being able to zoom the lens with the hood on and reversed. How did that make it past any user feedback?!
The cam and lenses feel very solid and well made, looking forward to better weather to get out and shoot.
p.84 #17 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
The 100-500 zooms with the hood on backwards easy, just totally loosen the tension ring. As you're lifting the camera from resting position give it a quick flip forward and pull back... but make sure you have a grip on the camera. Hence why the deep grip compared to the Sony...
p.84 #18 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Pixel Perfect wrote:
I should have added, now CAnon will have a stacked sensor soon in the R3 and in a professional body, even with a large resolution disadvantage, the A1 might be in for a real fight for the performance crown. I still have most of my EF glass and am really looking forward to how the R3 stacks up against the competition. Then by end of the year Z9 will be released and I think it may have a few surprises given how serious Nikon takes the pro market. Also it will not have a resolution deficit compared to A1 since it's also confirmed 8K video camera....Show more →
For me I want the pixels. Stacked sensor or not if canon doesn’t come close to the a1 in resolution it’s not on my radar. And tbh I do a lot of hikes in steep terrain. I like the option of saving weight by having a removable grip. I’d prefer for my grip to not be integrated.
p.84 #19 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
RoamingScott wrote:
First impression of the R5 body and lenses compared to the R4:
- I can take low angle pics using the flippy LCD without getting on my knees or worse. Yay!
- The back scroll wheel doesn't click like a D-Pad and that confused me for way too long...it's very odd having to use the AF joystick for D-Pad functions, but clicking it in only works in half the screens, and you have to hit Set for the others. I also forgot I could use the touchscreen instead, which works far better than the AF joystick method
- There is a noticeable heft increase across the board, and everything feels more front heavy than analogous Sony lenses. However, the grip is far deeper/better than the R4 and my pinky isn't clinging on desperately, basically negating the weight increase.
- Canon zoom lenses rotate in the opposite direction. Goodbye years of muscle memory!
- The EVF is FAR easier for me to see than the Alpha bodies. I felt like I had to cram my eyeball into the camera, and I was still missing edges of the EVF on Sony.
-On/Off switch action feels backwards to what my brain thinks it should be. Also hate the left side placement but it is what it is.
-Shutter is just as pleasantly soft as the R4.
-I like that when mounting a lens, the markers are at the very top of the mount and not at 2 oclock. That always annoyed the hell out of me on my Sony bodies. I also like that the lens release button is on the opposite side from the grip, preventing accidental loosenings.
-100-500 has a terrible design flaw of not being able to zoom the lens with the hood on and reversed. How did that make it past any user feedback?!
The cam and lenses feel very solid and well made, looking forward to better weather to get out and shoot....Show more →
Why couldn't you take low-angle picks with the A7RIV's tilt screen? I much prefer the Sony tilt screen as it stays in line with the lens. Unless you are doing verticals or selfie shots where the flip screen has the advantage.
I also like the top markers on Canon. I never got on with Sony and Nikon positions.
Lens release on L side is a huge negative for me with Canon and Nikon. I love, love, love Sony right side release...so much easier to change lenses and TCs with the lens squeezed between my legs or resting on the hood.
I agree On/Off switch placement is inferior to Nikon/Sony around the shutter button.
Pius and I discovered recently that the R5 EVF is cutting off some of the true FOV. We had thought the Canon 600/4 was longer in true focal length vs the Sony 600GM because the Sony looked zoomed out, more FOV when looking through both back to back. Final images were identical framing so the R5 is doing something weird as I'm sure it is advertised as 100% view?? I agree the R5 EVF is easier to look in and see periphery. Of course A1 has option to decrease EVF mag which allows you to see full FOV without having to strain your eye to see the periphery.
p.84 #20 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
arbitrage wrote:
Why couldn't you take low-angle picks with the A7RIV's tilt screen?
Should have been more specific...low angle vertical pictures. For some reason, when I find myself inclined to shoot near ground level, I'm almost always shooting vertically.
Fuji got screens right for us non-bloggers...I wish more manufacturers would use the 3 way vari-tilt vs Sony's 2 way, or Canon full flippy.
First I've heard about the EVF not being 100%, I'll have to play with that.
If I could make the R4 rudimentarily work for BIF, the R5 should be a no brainer. Indians and arrows and whatnot. 
