Yeah, a bunch of us in the Canon forum had a big laugh with that one back in July. Even the CanonFanBoys enjoyed it. Those videos that have been done with that same clip over the years are guaranteed to make you
p.44 #3 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
freaklikeme wrote:
The original a7s required an external recorder for 4K. Having to remove the battery and cards is a unique issue, something Canon can likely address with a firmware update, but the use of an external recorder for extended shooting is nothing new, and it's not limited to these tiny cameras.
That's not the best look for Canon to be compared to a 6 year old camera. Just say'n As far as firmware to address the removing the cards and battery. Wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Regardless of what brand you use you have to wonder about Canon's decision making. A. They were aware of the issues and were so desperate they released it anyway. B. They were not aware of the issues because they rushed to release the camera before the Sony A7siii. Either way it's not a good look.
p.44 #4 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
nhsonyshooter wrote:
That's not the best look for Canon to be compared to a 6 year old camera. Just say'n As far as firmware to address the removing the cards and battery. Wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Regardless of what brand you use you have to wonder about Canon's decision making. A. They were aware of the issues and were so desperate they released it anyway. B. They were not aware of the issues because they rushed to release the camera before the Sony A7siii. Either way it's not a good look.
It's a tempest in a teacup, and if you don't think Sony went through similar growing pains over its short history, you haven't been paying attention. We've worked around shutter shock issues, not having compressionless raws, having lossy compressed raws, advanced camera overheating issues, crappy JPEGS, weak mounts and, of course, star-eating, to name a few. Some of these are still around.
While I'm not in the market for the camera, I can appreciate what they done. For a stills shooter wanting to use RF and EF lenses, it looks like they've made a fairly spectacular option. For video users, twenty minutes of 8K is more 8K than they're going to get out of any other mirrorless FF. Yeah, the overheating issues on 4K suck, but if you're determined to make it work, you can. And yes, Canon will address the battery and card issue, just like they've addressed other user issues in the past. It may be a firmware update, hardware update, or a combination of the two, but I don't see them letting that stand. Still, if you can't work around those issues, there are other options. Canon's not beating down people's doors forcing them to purchase the camera.
p.44 #5 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
It's not just the 8K mode. Just using the full-frame sensor on video even with 4K overheats the camera and shuts it down.
I'm sure if Sony didn't care whether or not the A7SIII was useful as a video camera they could have delivered 15 minutes of 8K too - as long as you didn't use the camera for anything else first!
p.44 #7 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
freaklikeme wrote:
It's a tempest in a teacup, and if you don't think Sony went through similar growing pains over its short history, you haven't been paying attention. We've worked around shutter shock issues, not having compressionless raws, having lossy compressed raws, advanced camera overheating issues, crappy JPEGS, weak mounts and, of course, star-eating, to name a few. Some of these are still around.
While I'm not in the market for the camera, I can appreciate what they done. For a stills shooter wanting to use RF and EF lenses, it looks like they've made a fairly spectacular option. For video users, twenty minutes of 8K is more 8K than they're going to get out of any other mirrorless FF. Yeah, the overheating issues on 4K suck, but if you're determined to make it work, you can. And yes, Canon will address the battery and card issue, just like they've addressed other user issues in the past. It may be a firmware update, hardware update, or a combination of the two, but I don't see them letting that stand. Still, if you can't work around those issues, there are other options. Canon's not beating down people's doors forcing them to purchase the camera....Show more →
Who here said anything about Sony not having their issues. That was not the topic. The question was Sony shooters thoughts on the R6/R5. But since you brought it up. The fact Sony had so many growing pains including over heating issues themselves. Makes it even more incredible to me that Canon apparently didn't see these potential problems. So, no I can't appreciate what they have done. I mean let's be honest. Sony did all the hard work, took all the trolling beat downs over the years. The second one in has it so much easier. Yet here we are. It's not hating, it's just puzzling. For the record I could care less the name on my equipment. Came from Minolta and Nikon. Changed to Sony because of FF mirrorless that's it. Nikon had their head in the sand to long. But, If Nikon or Canon actually produced something I thought was worth the effort of switching I would. They just haven't.
p.44 #8 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Who here said anything about Sony not having their issues. That was not the topic. The question was Sony shooters thoughts on the R6/R5. But since you brought it up. The fact Sony had so many growing pains including over heating issues themselves. Makes it even more incredible to me that Canon apparently didn't see these potential problems. So, no I can't appreciate what they have done. I mean let's be honest. Sony did all the hard work, took all the trolling beat downs over the years. The second one in has it so much easier. Yet here we are. It's not hating, it's just puzzling. For the record I could care less the name on my equipment. Came from Minolta and Nikon. Changed to Sony because of FF mirrorless that's it. Nikon had their head in the sand to long. But, If Nikon or Canon actually produced something I thought was worth the effort of switching I would. They just haven't. ...Show more →
When you started questioning if this was a good look for Canon, it felt like you needed to be reminded they aren't the only company who fell short of perfection. And I'll take you at your word, but it sounds like hating. Or revenge trolling.
p.44 #9 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Engineering is hard. Just because Sony worked THEIR kinks out over time didn’t mean Canon would magically navigate all those roadblocks successfully on their first go at it. All told, seems like they have a much more compelling “first gen” than Sony did.
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Who here said anything about Sony not having their issues. That was not the topic. The question was Sony shooters thoughts on the R6/R5. But since you brought it up. The fact Sony had so many growing pains including over heating issues themselves. Makes it even more incredible to me that Canon apparently didn't see these potential problems. So, no I can't appreciate what they have done. I mean let's be honest. Sony did all the hard work, took all the trolling beat downs over the years. The second one in has it so much easier. Yet here we are. It's not hating, it's just puzzling. For the record I could care less the name on my equipment. Came from Minolta and Nikon. Changed to Sony because of FF mirrorless that's it. Nikon had their head in the sand to long. But, If Nikon or Canon actually produced something I thought was worth the effort of switching I would. They just haven't. ...Show more →
p.44 #10 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
RoamingScott wrote:
Engineering is hard. Just because Sony worked THEIR kinks out over time didn’t mean Canon would magically navigate all those roadblocks successfully on their first go at it. All told, seems like they have a much more compelling “first gen” than Sony did.
"first gen"? As in the Canon R and RP? Those two cameras were nothing special.
Canon has had the benefit of seeing Sony develop their mirrorless line. It's a lot easier when you're not the innovator.
I'm not knocking the R5/R6; they seem like pretty good cameras, but Sony isn't going to sit around either. Sony has always been one of the leaders in mirrorless cameras. You can bet Sony's next gen will raise the bar once again.
p.44 #11 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
RoamingScott wrote:
Engineering is hard. Just because Sony worked THEIR kinks out over time didn’t mean Canon would magically navigate all those roadblocks successfully on their first go at it. All told, seems like they have a much more compelling “first gen” than Sony did.
First time that I hear that Canon is a startup company, at their first model in the digital camera business. Good job, Scott!
p.44 #12 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
RoamingScott wrote:
Engineering is hard. Just because Sony worked THEIR kinks out over time didn’t mean Canon would magically navigate all those roadblocks successfully on their first go at it. All told, seems like they have a much more compelling “first gen” than Sony did.
The Canon EOS R was released two years ago (generation 1)
The EOS RP was released 1.5 years ago (arguably still generation 1)
The Canon EOS R5 and R6 were just released (generation 2)
p.44 #14 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Well, considering I get 3 stops on long lenses and maybe 1 stop on shorter lenses with Sony's IBIS, 5 stops would be a massive improvement. Gordon is also a very shaky guy, so 5 stops is fantastic.
Maxxus46 wrote:
Lookup Gordon Langs initial review, he stated he could only get 5 stops out of Canon R5 IBIS ... so the 8 stops seems to be exaggerated
p.44 #15 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
freaklikeme wrote:
When you started questioning if this was a good look for Canon, it felt like you needed to be reminded they aren't the only company who fell short of perfection. And I'll take you at your word, but it sounds like hating. Or revenge trolling.
Your the one that made the comparison. Those are your words not mine. I just pointed out that's not a favorable look to be making excuses for Canon based on a camera Sony introduced 6 years ago. Canon has been in mirrorless for 8 years or so. They have one of the most successful mirrorless cameras on the market today in the M50. They didn't start development of the R5 6 months ago. Yet people for some reason act like this is Canon's first go around and they are some type of start up. That's the part that is puzzling to me (this free pass attitude), just as much as the corporate decision to launch a camera the was clearly not ready. I mean we are talking about a giant in the industry here, a leader. But I guess the Sony pressure was even more powerful than I thought?
p.44 #16 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Given that the R reused the 5d4 sensor and the RP reused the 6d2 sensor...yeah, I’m gonna count the R5 and R6 as their true first gen full frame mirrorless bodies. My point still stands, they are better overall packages than the A72 or A7R were. Y’all can act butthurt about that statement, or argue semantics, but the R5/R6 aren’t the total abject failures you wish they were, despite their shortcomings against the modern market.
The fact that multiple people react to “engineering is hard” by saying I’m calling Canon a startup is puzzling. Canon is one of the very few manufactures still doing their own R&D in the photo industry. They’d have it a lot easier if they pulled a Nikon and just bought Sony parts and called it a day.
p.44 #17 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
I cut my teeth with digital back in 1990 . Yes 30 years ago. Nikon, Kodak and a few others. Not so much Canon but I did have there 1DS in 2002. I actually bought C1 for it for 500 dollars.
Best digital camera they ever made. Had a very organic look. After that in my book they went to shit in a handbasket. One nice thing back than was adapting Leica and Zeiss lenses. I’ve never ever looked back on Canon. Nikon I did when I sold all my medium format digital I bought Nikon again. To say you feel bad for them or there new is a load of junk. I started 45 years ago with Nikon . Sony beat the crap out of both of them. And they still are. Any tech that’s been going on is more evolutionary not revolutionary. The only reason canon got into mirrorless is the market share Sony stole from them. They not only sat on there ass and let Sony take them to the cleaners but they let there base down as well. The real question here and proof is how many left Canon in recent years. Now it’s just catch up.
Nice to see them do something but a Sony shooter switch now ,one has to ask how smart that might be. Unless there is a very specific reason than I don’t see it as a smart move.
p.44 #18 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
RoamingScott wrote:
Given that the R reused the 5d4 sensor and the RP reused the 6d2 sensor...yeah, I’m gonna count the R5 and R6 as their true first gen full frame mirrorless bodies. My point still stands, they are better overall packages than the A72 or A7R were.
What a victory! Competitive against 2014 camera models! Truly unheard of! Bravo!
p.44 #20 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
I think many forget the release of the A7r and was worlds apart from anything else at the time. I jumped so fast at it and dumped every Nikon had for it. Maybe one of my history in this business it’s finer moments.
You got this all backwards the real question is what Canon shooters think about Sony and why there still holding out waiting.
BTW I don’t hate Canon, Nikon or anyone else at all. They all helped me in the past and we need them in the industry but let’s face facts they are still behind in mirrorless. Sure getting better
As far as firmware to address the removing the cards and battery. Wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Regardless of what brand you use you have to wonder about Canon's decision making. A. They were aware of the issues and were so desperate they released it anyway. B. They were not aware of the issues because they rushed to release the camera before the Sony A7siii. Either way it's not a good look.