p.45 #1 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
RoamingScott wrote:
Given that the R reused the 5d4 sensor and the RP reused the 6d2 sensor...yeah, I’m gonna count the R5 and R6 as their true first gen full frame mirrorless bodies. My point still stands, they are better overall packages than the A72 or A7R were. Y’all can act butthurt about that statement, or argue semantics, but the R5/R6 aren’t the total abject failures you wish they were, despite their shortcomings against the modern market.
The fact that multiple people react to “engineering is hard” by saying I’m calling Canon a startup is puzzling. Canon is one of the very few manufactures still doing their own R&D in the photo industry. They’d have it a lot easier if they pulled a Nikon and just bought Sony parts and called it a day. ...Show more →
Not sure in this instance I would be bragging about "doing your own R&D". No one said the R5/R6 are "abject failures". There is good tech in these cameras that was poorly marketed and rushed out the door. Which are you buying? R5 or R6?
p.45 #3 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
They advertised 8 stops on ibis. it’s not close... had they advertised truthfully (5 stops) I’d have appreciated that more. So their inline with every other mirrorless camera regarding IBIS. Add in 8k video that hasn’t even taken off in mainstream yet and we barely have 4K in most homes today) and the fact that 8k data usage is insane (better invest in big expensive cf cards), all seems like an attempt from marketing to build up the hype we are seeing. Then the 4K video still causes overheating with significant time required for heat dissipation before the camera becomes usable again. Next on the list - poor battery life. Combine poor battery life with a frame rate that slows Once battery goes below 60 percent and documented EVF lag and it’s a no go for me (wildlife, birding requires fast acquisition and response without EVF lag). I’m sure it’s a good camera for stills - but it’s No wildlife camera or game changer by any means. Sorry but no thanks ...maybe next time but by then Sony will likely have an Ace again
p.45 #4 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Their IBIS is markedly better than Sony in both photo and video applications. It’s one of the key positives to these cameras.
Maxxus46 wrote:
They advertised 8 stops on ibis. it’s not close... had they advertised truthfully (5 stops) I’d have appreciated that more. So their inline with every other mirrorless camera regarding IBIS.
I’m at least brand agnostic enough to keep brand names out of my online handles
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Not sure in this instance I would be bragging about "doing your own R&D". No one said the R5/R6 are "abject failures". There is good tech in these cameras that was poorly marketed and rushed out the door. Which are you buying? R5 or R6?
p.45 #5 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
GMPhotography wrote:
the real question is what Canon shooters think about Sony and why there still holding out waiting.
The fact that they come here to ask about the R5 is quite telling.
There's no equivalent thread in the Nikon or other forums. Although I suspect that in Nikon forum case they were just afraid they would have been told "go pound sand" right from the beginning. In way less polite terms.
p.45 #6 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Maxxus46 wrote:
They advertised 8 stops on ibis. it’s not close... had they advertised truthfully (5 stops) I’d have appreciated that more. So their inline with every other mirrorless camera regarding IBIS. Add in 8k video that hasn’t even taken off in mainstream yet and we barely have 4K in most homes today) and the fact that 8k data usage is insane (better invest in big expensive cf cards), all seems like an attempt from marketing to build up the hype we are seeing. Then the 4K video still causes overheating with significant time required for heat dissipation before the camera becomes usable again. Next on the list - poor battery life. Combine poor battery life with a frame rate that slows Once battery goes below 60 percent and documented EVF lag and it’s a no go for me (wildlife, birding requires fast acquisition and response without EVF lag). I’m sure it’s a good camera for stills - but it’s No wildlife camera or game changer by any means. Sorry but no thanks ...maybe next time but by then Sony will likely have an Ace again...Show more →
Someone should take their marketing material and redline it lol
p.45 #7 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
GMPhotography wrote:
the real question is what Canon shooters think about Sony and why there still holding out waiting.
The fact that they come here to ask about the R5 is quite telling.
There's no equivalent thread in the Nikon or other forums. Although I suspect that in Nikon forum case they were just afraid they would have been told "go pound sand" right from the beginning. In way less polite terms.
p.45 #9 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Regarding the generations, I think that the first full frame mirrorless generation by Canon (R and RP) had nothing over Sony. I mean, it was simply clear they are behind (ya, you could argue ergonomics/menu, but that's very subjective, maybe EF lens adaptability...).
Now, the situation is different as Canon clearly caught up and in general R5 is competitive with Sony's offerings (more like a jack of all trades vs specialized cameras, so in the end it really depends on your needs).
What is the most significant to me I think, is that R5 finally enables Canon RF system, so the behemoth lenses: 50 f1.2, 85 f1.2, 28-70 f2 - you know the big guns that I think are the main attraction of RF system, at least to me (if someone is looking for good IQ with reasonable compactness, I think there are much better options than Canon currently).
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p.45 #12 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
vdo1 wrote:
The fact that they come here to ask about the R5 is quite telling.
There's no equivalent thread in the Nikon or other forums. Although I suspect that in Nikon forum case they were just afraid they would have been told "go pound sand" right from the beginning. In way less polite terms.
Actually there is a pretty similar thread in the Nikon forum:
p.45 #13 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
I see a lot of nit picking the r5 and r6 here. But the body is only a part of the overall equation. For me, glass and pro support are critically important. I think if we are being honest, Sony has some very very good glass. I think Canon as equally good glass and a heck of a lot more of it and and exponentially larger supply of used glass in the second hand market. And Canon has some very important glass that Sony just doesn't have and I think that is largely a one way road; Sony has very few if any pieces that Canon doesn't have. Pro Support goes to Canon by a long shot based on my experience with both (and not all of my CPS experience was perfect). Does Sony even have in house repair yet or do they still farm that out?
So yes, the r5 has me very curious and interested. If it is close to the a92 or a7r4 in AF performance, the other factors can change the equation on which is the better system.
And my thoughts are largely form a sports shooter perspective and some portrait work.
p.45 #14 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Exactly how have I "trolled" Mr. "Critical thinker"? Because I answered a question that was posted about a competitor's release? That's trolling?
Don't worry he just ran out of decent arguments. Happens frequently with him.
It died down about a week ago, but much the same discussion as here.
Are you sure that this is the correct link? The title is "Nikon’s predicted full-frame, pro mirrorless". Whether it got trolled or not by the Canonites is inconsequential.
p.45 #17 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
GMPhotography wrote:
Anyway I’m out on this one. Have fun
Right behind you
Aug 08, 2020 at 08:51 AM
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p.45 #18 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
vdo1 wrote:
Are you sure that this is the correct link? The title is "Nikon’s predicted full-frame, pro mirrorless". Whether it got trolled or not by the Canonites is inconsequential.
Yes, I am sure this is the right link. The question in the first post was, "Is Nikon going to introduce a full-frame, pro-grade mirrorless, that will rival Sony and Canon’s best?" Not surprising that this led to discussion of the Canon R5, the Sony A7r IV, and Sony a9(II).
p.45 #19 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
timgangloff wrote:
I see a lot of nit picking the r5 and r6 here. But the body is only a part of the overall equation. For me, glass and pro support are critically important.
Sorry, Canon EF glass doesn't fit the Canon R5 and R6 without an adapter. With an adapter you can mount such glass on the Sony bodies as well (but most EF glass isn't worth adapting anyway since Sony E has better options).
In terms of actual native lenses Sony E-mount runs circles around Canon R mount. Close to 10x as many since Canon so foolishly decided to eschew third-party lenses.
p.45 #20 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Steve Spencer wrote:
Yes, I am sure this is the right link. The question in the first post was, "Is Nikon going to introduce a full-frame, pro-grade mirrorless, that will rival Sony and Canon’s best?" Not surprising that this led to discussion of the Canon R5, the Sony A7r IV, and Sony a9(II).
Quite different than the Canon guys coming specifically to the Sony forum to ask what a good mirorless camera is.
