p.39 #1 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Jman13 wrote:
sort of glowing. Just not for video production. For stills (which is all I would care about), it seems like a fantastic camera.
I guess if you have nothing to begin with, then sure. But if your someone that has say the Riv there is nothing special about either camera that makes them remotely tempting. Actually now that I think about it. Even if I had nothing I still wouldn't be tempted because the lens selection for Sony just trumps Canon's. If you already had the pathetic first attempt from Canon then yes these are nice upgrades.
p.39 #2 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Actually now that I think about it. Even if I had nothing I still wouldn't be tempted because the lens selection for Sony just trumps Canon's. If you already had the pathetic first attempt from Canon then yes these are nice upgrades.
Along that note, what are the better tilt shift lenses from Sony that should sway folks away from an R5 or R6 and native Canon TS lenses? Just to pick one facet among several.
p.39 #3 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Canon tilt shift works as (manual focus) native on Sony. You picked the most inane bullet point ever. Well done. You can’t do any worse for your next post.
mdvaden wrote:
Along that note, what are the better tilt shift lenses from Sony that should sway folks away from an R5 or R6. Just to pick one facet among several.
p.39 #4 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
RoamingScott wrote:
Canon tilt shift works as (manual focus) native on Sony. You picked the most inane bullet point ever. Well done. You can’t do any worse for your next post.
The question was asked of the other person. But your reply does not rise tp what the question is aiming for. For if Sony can adapt lenses, so can the Canon R5. Not merely tilt shift that Canon actually manufactures, not just the EF and RF lenses, but Tamron and Sigma. And when the myriad of vintage glass is considered, any chasm between lens availability rises above your reply. We can backtrack to the earlier reply "lens selection for Sony just trumps Canon's". If there are any more to one brand or the other, the difference is very minimal.
Like this for example, is from Zeiss Flektogon 50mm, which can also adapt to the Canon R5. Once options like FD lenses, Leica, Mamiya, Helios, Takumar and many others are considered, the word "trumps" vaporizes regardless of which of the two brands we're talking about. It may be more realistic to consider both brands near equal for lens selection.
p.39 #5 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
mdvaden wrote:
Along that note, what are the better tilt shift lenses from Sony that should sway folks away from an R5 or R6 and native Canon TS lenses? Just to pick one facet among several.
other persons answer
I guess you could base your system choice on a tilt shift lens if that's what you want to do. That seems silly to me but if that's what you need, go for it.
p.39 #6 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
mdvaden wrote:
The question was asked of the other person. But the tone of your reply is too weak to rise above what the question is aiming for. For if Sony can adapt lenses, so can the Canon R5. Not merely the tilt shift that Canon actually manufactures, not just all the EF and RF lenses, but Tamron and Sigma. And when the myriad of vintage glass is considered, any chasm between lens availability mocks your reply and the previous.
Like this for example, is from Zeiss Flektogon 50mm, which can also adapt to the Canon R5.
p.39 #7 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
I actually bought the R5 partially due to the lens selection and the unique lenses Canon are releasing interest me more than much of the Sony selection. I love the compact RF 70-200mm f2.8 and 15-35mm f2.8 L in the limited time I've used them. I have the RF 28-70mm f2 and compact 100-500mm on pre-order. The 85mm f1.2 and 50mm f1.2 also look excellent and I wish Sony would offer some faster primes.
nhsonyshooter wrote:
I guess if you have nothing to begin with, then sure. But if your someone that has say the Riv there is nothing special about either camera that makes them remotely tempting. Actually now that I think about it. Even if I had nothing I still wouldn't be tempted because the lens selection for Sony just trumps Canon's. If you already had the pathetic first attempt from Canon then yes these are nice upgrades.
p.39 #8 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
nhsonyshooter wrote:
I guess if you have nothing to begin with, then sure. But if your someone that has say the Riv there is nothing special about either camera that makes them remotely tempting. Actually now that I think about it. Even if I had nothing I still wouldn't be tempted because the lens selection for Sony just trumps Canon's. If you already had the pathetic first attempt from Canon then yes these are nice upgrades.
Well, perhaps there's one thing, a high mp camera and long zoom lens that will hopefully work as it should together. I love the A7RIV with many of my Canon lenses, but not the Sony 200 600. I actually think, at this time, it is really in a league of it's own for IQ. Right now I have to shoot the 200 600 on the A9 which limits how much I can crop. I do love this combo though, but it is also heavy for me. I'm petite and older. I am hoping the 100 500 with 1.4X will give me a lighter weight high mp set up for wildlife that works well . I really don't care which brand I shoot, only how I enjoy using it and if it gives me the results I want and works for me. With the problem of the 200 600 and A7RIV Combo so many went to the 600 f4, but I can't go a lens that heavy, so I'm excited for the Canon 100 500 and high mp body to be released. That is what I wanted when I bought my first Sony gear, the A7RIV and 200 600 and had it worked as it should have, I'd not have been still looking. I'm grateful for the competition they're all giving each other because we are the ones benefiting from it with all these great choices and I hope it continues. For a long time Canon just got boring and now they are waking up and joining in. For those of us with lots of remaining Canon glass this is a good thing but it doesn't mean I'm giving up on shooting Sony as well. I just don't think we have to choose between them.
p.39 #9 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Bob_S wrote:
Not sure how it was captured, but it could have been in a studio. Not was an interview.
I'll try get the footage or perhaps the final production if I can.
I'm pretty sure Atomos and/or BMD would have an 8K external recorder.
BMD has a rack-mounted module. Atomos pushed their 8K MCU (also rack mounted) to this year, but I'm not seeing a release date on their site.
It's going to be a while before we see a portable solution like the Ninja V for 8K, and a longer while before it's as affordable as the Ninja V is now.
p.39 #10 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Hi Cathy- great post.
I am doing same same! I shoot canon 5div-Sony a9ii- ended up keeping almost all Ef lenses with a hope one day the R5 would show up! So excited.
I will Not give up on the A9ii-200-600 plus tele so quickly. Love that combo for BIF n wildlife. I too am small, older yet I find ok with gimbal. The R5 ergonomics I believe will balance and feel better for handholding. I have an older 400 do f4. Fingers crossed. So excited....finally.
Hopefully a firmware update for animal eye focus will come our way with the Sony bodies. Soon.....
Terry Kathy White wrote:
Well, perhaps there's one thing, a high mp camera and long zoom lens that will hopefully work as it should together. I love the A7RIV with many of my Canon lenses, but not the Sony 200 600. I actually think, at this time, it is really in a league of it's own for IQ. Right now I have to shoot the 200 600 on the A9 which limits how much I can crop. I do love this combo though, but it is also heavy for me. I'm petite and older. I am hoping the 100 500 with 1.4X will give me a lighter weight high mp set up for wildlife that works well . I really don't care which brand I shoot, only how I enjoy using it and if it gives me the results I want and works for me. With the problem of the 200 600 and A7RIV Combo so many went to the 600 f4, but I can't go a lens that heavy, so I'm excited for the Canon 100 500 and high mp body to be released. That is what I wanted when I bought my first Sony gear, the A7RIV and 200 600 and had it worked as it should have, I'd not have been still looking. I'm grateful for the competition they're all giving each other because we are the ones benefiting from it with all these great choices and I hope it continues. For a long time Canon just got boring and now they are waking up and joining in. For those of us with lots of remaining Canon glass this is a good thing but it doesn't mean I'm giving up on shooting Sony as well. I just don't think we have to choose between them. ...Show more →
p.39 #11 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
For now- possibly......never underrate canon for lens choice. RF is new....canon so far has done a great job. I’ve been with them for a long time. Love Sony too...
I can’t help being excited for the ergonomics and animal eye focus on the Canon R5
The a9ii is really nice for autofocus- I miss the mp for crop BIF. Actually, a lot. The balance of the body to the lens for me is hard to hand hold. Not because of weight. Canon body fits my small hand like a glove. Can’t warm to the a9ii- I try everyday. . I don’t care about which brand...I love sharp and lots of detail in my bird shots.
The Sony a7riv autofocus is really not up to par for fast raptors, unless we use the fast 600 f4 prime....in perfect light for noise control. A bit big n heavy for myself. ...a9ii wins there for Fast raptors n low light wildlife.
Sony has the 200-600 with a9ii. Outstanding ....missing Rez for cropping. Eagles are not close all of the time- even with extender- very sharp combo Mine will Not be for sale anytime soon.
Canon has the 100-500 with the R5. I really have strong hopes for this combo. Both ergonomics for better balance and sweet for crop at 45mp.
I hope this helps. You are so fortunate to have 2 great choices!!! For years that has not been the case. I appreciate Sony for stirring the competition! And giving us BIF shooters the original A9 when they did. Wow! We have waited a very long time for some choices....
nhsonyshooter wrote:
I guess if you have nothing to begin with, then sure. But if your someone that has say the Riv there is nothing special about either camera that makes them remotely tempting. Actually now that I think about it. Even if I had nothing I still wouldn't be tempted because the lens selection for Sony just trumps Canon's. If you already had the pathetic first attempt from Canon then yes these are nice upgrades.
p.39 #12 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
mdvaden wrote:
RE your reply to the post above yours, what you said about price sounds sensible. Here's a video someone shared on the FM forums yesterday. Another forum viewer who watched, noted these excerpts:
“No Blackout. None!!!“ ... and ... “The R5’s autofocus system surpasses the A9II’s, especially the animal eye autofocus. It’s amazing. I was shocked...”
But just getting back to the price, I wish it was about $400 less. But the price seems very reasonable, especially for a new release.
“No Blackout. None!!!“
That is nonsense. Frame insertion just masks it.
“The R5’s autofocus system surpasses the A9II’s"
That remains to be seen and is highly unlikely, as it would surpass the 1dxiii, Canon's flagship sports camera, too.
Animal eye-AF is more pattern recognition and something on can add via firmware (see the big A9 firmware update, I think version 5 or 6 from Sony, which added a first implementation).
More important are no-blackout due to stacked sensor (R5 doesn't have that at all!), AF calculations per second etc.
p.39 #13 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
AlphaPhotography wrote:
I actually bought the R5 partially due to the lens selection and the unique lenses Canon are releasing interest me more than much of the Sony selection. I love the compact RF 70-200mm f2.8 and 15-35mm f2.8 L in the limited time I've used them. I have the RF 28-70mm f2 and compact 100-500mm on pre-order. The 85mm f1.2 and 50mm f1.2 also look excellent and I wish Sony would offer some faster primes.
"The 85mm f1.2 and 50mm f1.2 also look excellent and I wish Sony would offer some faster primes."
What would you gain, just curious, do you shoot portraits professionally in studio or outside? Do you think 85/1.2 vs. 1.4 gives you an edge or do you just want the best?
Sony said building those lenses doesn't make sense from a business point of view, so we will see them from Sigma eventually (the 35/1.2 is already there).
p.39 #14 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Holger wrote:
"The 85mm f1.2 and 50mm f1.2 also look excellent and I wish Sony would offer some faster primes."
What would you gain, just curious, do you shoot portraits professionally in studio or outside? Do you think 85/1.2 vs. 1.4 gives you an edge or do you just want the best?
Sony said building those lenses doesn't make sense from a business point of view, so we will see them from Sigma eventually (the 35/1.2 is already there).
IMO R5 with 50 RF 50 and 85 1.2 would be ultimate currently the best combo for portraits but A7R3/R4 with Zeiss 50 1.4 FE and 85 1.4GM would not be that far off. In practice literary zero difference when it comes to stills.
p.39 #15 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
I am reading news from a friend which are not that encouraging. Given that I never got a feeling with Canon bodies in hand (a totally different pleasure with Nikon bodies, a friend's D4 and my D800, which felt like a glove), and that I don't find Sony (A9 and A7RII) particularly good or bad (could be better but it is quite usable), it looks like things are not so stellar with 500 IS II and R5 in focus accuracy (speed is like 5DIV performance, from close to infinity, a bit better than 7DII and quite slower than series-1 or Nikon Dx with 600/4s), very few if any of the burst photos seem really in focus. Even MF assistance with Otus 85 does not look so precise as liked. They are first tests of a quite expert user in a hot august day, so we must wait for more, but the enthusiasm he had (he has a A7RIV and he promised a test against R5) seems to be gone quite away.
p.39 #16 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
AlphaPhotography wrote:
I actually bought the R5 partially due to the lens selection and the unique lenses Canon are releasing interest me more than much of the Sony selection. I love the compact RF 70-200mm f2.8 and 15-35mm f2.8 L in the limited time I've used them. I have the RF 28-70mm f2 and compact 100-500mm on pre-order. The 85mm f1.2 and 50mm f1.2 also look excellent and I wish Sony would offer some faster primes.
Good for you, but not everyone will want to spend 14-15000 dollars on a kit. But the important part is your happy with it. Happy shooting
p.39 #17 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Holger wrote:
"The 85mm f1.2 and 50mm f1.2 also look excellent and I wish Sony would offer some faster primes."
What would you gain, just curious, do you shoot portraits professionally in studio or outside? Do you think 85/1.2 vs. 1.4 gives you an edge or do you just want the best?
Sony said building those lenses doesn't make sense from a business point of view, so we will see them from Sigma eventually (the 35/1.2 is already there).
Well you get to say you have 1.2 lenses, of course. That instantly makes your images better
p.39 #18 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
If I were thinking of buying my 1st mirrorless camera I would be choosing between the R5 & the A7rIV. Even though the A7rIV has a higher res sensor & pixel shift, I think the R5 would trump it. There is no difference in the DR at base ios, thats a big advancement from Canon on the sensor front, they have been lagging behind Sony for many years, but Sony's advantage has now gone. The inbody IS is better on the Canon as is the AF, plus they have lenses which would tempt me like the the 50mm f1.2 & 85mm f1.2 which Opticallimits state in their review is the best lens they have ever tested. They also have incamera focus stacking which I would often use in my studio or in the field doing landscape work. Although I have not so far handled an R5 I think it would fit my large hands better than the A7rIV, which would be the deciding factor. I think the R5 will sell well & I look forward to canon launching their High res +100MP body & sports body which are due over the next year, but shortly we will have their video body, it will be interesting to see how that matches up against the A7sIII
p.39 #19 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Holger wrote:
“No Blackout. None!!!“
That is nonsense. Frame insertion just masks it.
“The R5’s autofocus system surpasses the A9II’s"
That remains to be seen and is highly unlikely, as it would surpass the 1dxiii, Canon's flagship sports camera, too.
Animal eye-AF is more pattern recognition and something on can add via firmware (see the big A9 firmware update, I think version 5 or 6 from Sony, which added a first implementation).
More important are no-blackout due to stacked sensor (R5 doesn't have that at all!), AF calculations per second etc.
I'm pretty sure the R5's AF does surpass the 1DXIII except in one area. The 1DXIII still has much faster drive from spot to spot. Especially coming in from far to near. The R5 suffers just like all the MILCs including the A9 compared to even cheap DSLRs like my D500. However the R5 will have a much more consistent hit rate and can track a lot better than 1DXIII (in OVF mode). 1DXIII LV is the same as RF but without the Animal -Eye AF feature.
This is just one example but this guy shot KF with 1DXIII and R5 and you can see from the results that the R5 outperformed the 1DXIII away for capturing the KF launching up and down and even straight at the camera. Even the A9 fails at that last feat most of the time. The 1DXIII got a few of course. But this is just one example and of course the gallery is cherry picked for both cameras so who knows what the full success was really like.
p.39 #20 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
The final target is file quality.
All other things are complementary to it.
First point is how R5 file compares with ARIII file.
Without this precise answer any other point is of small interest to me.
