Archive 2020 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
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p.31 #1 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
2xbass wrote:
The AF does look pretty good however that (lack of) highlight recovery looked strange.
quoting her from that r5/r6 video:
"...you do get lag and you do get blackout while you are shooting... as soon as i started shooting and trying to track a flying bird, the lag was so bad that often i lost track of my subject"
a $4k body that's useless for bif? even when using a 500/4 w/tc?
p.31 #3 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
osv2 wrote:
quoting her from that r5/r6 video:
"...you do get lag and you do get blackout while you are shooting... as soon as i started shooting and trying to track a flying bird, the lag was so bad that often i lost track of my subject"
a $4k body that's useless for bif? even when using a 500/4 w/tc?
Pretty much same thing happens when shooting high speed agile acrobatic planes with my A7R4 in airshows with long lens/large magnification. This is quite purely function of sensor readout speed; the longer the full sensor readout the longer you are without data to update the EVF with. High angular velocity + erratic movement + long freeze = where did it go... A9 shines in this stuff and yes, the DSLR can be better since the OVF gets fed while the sensor is reading behind the curtain.
p.31 #4 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
AlphaPhotography wrote:
If there are 2+ people on opposite ends of the frame I need to hold the joystick down for 1+ seconds to switch focus.
You can use registered af area. Put your focus box on one side of the frame, register it, and move to the other side. Then you can use a button to jump between these two.
osv2 wrote:
you put the focus box on whichever subject you want to be in focus, and it tracks only what you choose... the number of people in the frame is irrelevant.
rishi from dpr demonstrated it over a year ago, starting at 1:49 in his real-time af video
"to quickly choose a new subject, let go of the shutter [af button], place the af point over your new subject, then half-press [the af button]"
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This also works on the A7III and A7RIII when you use back button eye-af. Point the focus box at the face you want to focus on, and hold down the eye-af button to track it.
I rarely bother moving the focus point for faces, I just have a medium or large spot in the center, and then just point, track, and re-compose.
p.31 #5 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
From a marketing perspective this result of the canon cripple hammer, protecting their high end video cameras, is a disaster. They want everyone to be talking about how good the video features are not how bad they are. With the 1D3 fiasco it had time at least to hit the market before things went bad. Enough time to muddy the waters when it all hit the fan.
I feel for the Sony guy at the a7sIII announcement when he says the words 'and unlimited recording' having to keep a straight face. It's going to be very tough.
p.31 #6 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
osv2 wrote:
quoting her from that r5/r6 video:
"...you do get lag and you do get blackout while you are shooting... as soon as i started shooting and trying to track a flying bird, the lag was so bad that often i lost track of my subject"
a $4k body that's useless for bif? even when using a 500/4 w/tc?
Yes but they were using an old lens that doesn't support the 12FPS H+ mode (and for whatever reason they never tried ES) that does frame insertion to give you a smoother image. Although it will still be a bit jarring to pan fast...nothing like an A9. Even the 20FPS ES does frame insertion although very fast so it is a bit smoother and probably okay to pan. But then if the sensor read isn't fast enough to prevent distortion using 20FPS for the types of subjects one would want to (ie fast moving subjects) becomes useless.
Nothing can touch the A9 still for high speed tracking shooting...well maybe the A7SIII will but then 12MPs isn't all that enticing for stills work
p.31 #7 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
realVivek wrote:
Uh oh!
He sounds too angry which can be counter productive. You also can't talk about a class action lawsuit before anyone has actually bought the camera! In fact all of this negative publicity may have killed the chances of that, after all, there is substantial information available to the buying public about this problem before the camera even hits the market.
p.31 #8 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Jochenb wrote:
So just like I mentioned earlier: I think it's very normal that the 45MP R5 gives better detail than a 24MP A9.
No doubt that there may be more resolution, but I take real-world shots, often of wildlife, not of paintings. If I was doing landscape on a tripod, maybe the A7RIII. Something moving? Never.
p.31 #9 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
arbitrage wrote:
Yes but they were using an old lens that doesn't support the 12FPS H+ mode (and for whatever reason they never tried ES) that does frame insertion to give you a smoother image. Although it will still be a bit jarring to pan fast...nothing like an A9. Even the 20FPS ES does frame insertion although very fast so it is a bit smoother and probably okay to pan. But then if the sensor read isn't fast enough to prevent distortion using 20FPS for the types of subjects one would want to (ie fast moving subjects) becomes useless.
Nothing can touch the A9 still for high speed tracking shooting...well maybe the A7SIII will but then 12MPs isn't all that enticing for stills work...Show more →
I cannot comprehend why the yotubez-influenzas do not do the led stripe tests on the sensors of these new cameras.Trivially easy and takes like 15 minutes to try in different modes and tells a lot about sensor readout characteristics in different modes.
p.31 #10 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
arbitrage wrote:
Yes but they were using an old lens that doesn't support the 12FPS H+ mode (and for whatever reason they never tried ES) that does frame insertion to give you a smoother image.
yes, but canon owners keep claiming that ef-mount glass works just as well on an rf-mount body as it does on a dslr.
we saw that fail with the northrup eos-r sports test, where the ef-mount lens/tc drove the af-c rate down to 2.5fps, when the eos-r body is rated at 5fps... canon owners blamed it on the eos-r body being weak, what will they say about the r5 sucking wind here?
frame insertion repeats frames, i don't think that it'll help with shooting bif, but i don't have experience with it.
x2 on a9 superiority, why pay $4k for an r5 when you can get a9 for $3.5k or less, with over 200 e-mount lenses to put on it.
p.31 #11 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
scrappydog wrote:
No doubt that there may be more resolution, but I take real-world shots, often of wildlife, not of paintings. If I was doing landscape on a tripod, maybe the A7RIII. Something moving? Never.
Funny how it goes. Everyone claimed the A7R3 AF was the cat's meow before the A9 was released.
p.31 #12 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
osv2 wrote:
yes, but canon owners keep claiming that ef-mount glass works just as well on an rf-mount body as it does on a dslr.
we saw that fail with the northrup eos-r sports test, where the ef-mount lens/tc drove the af-c rate down to 2.5fps, when the eos-r body is rated at 5fps... canon owners blamed it on the eos-r body being weak, what will they say about the r5 sucking wind here?
frame insertion repeats frames, i don't think that it'll help with shooting bif, but i don't have experience with it.
x2 on a9 superiority, why pay $4k for an r5 when you can get a9 for $3.5k or less, with over 200 e-mount lenses to put on it.
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I just picked up an RP as a placeholder just to use with the RF 28-70/2 and 50 and test my EF glass with. What I have found is that even with their super entry level/old tech body, I have to say I see a huge potential for the RF system bodies to function even better with EF glass than merely doing it just as well, in many facets.
I will agree though, that they would not/may not be the best at blackout/shooting super high action/BIF, etc. But for all the stuff that I shoot, I definitely feel like the system is going to compliment my Sony kit very well. This is precisely why I dumped my R3 in preparation and opted to keep the A9. Horses for courses.
And to answer your last question, I'd pay that so I could have a high res body that functions (for me) roughly equivalent to the R3 for the way that I shoot and has a flawless transition with my existing EF glass. Also, I've been and continue to be really excited to play with some of that RF glass.
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chez wrote:
Funny how it goes. Everyone claimed the A7R3 AF was the cat's meow before the A9 was released.
Not sure if my memory is failing me. But I'm pretty certain the A9 was released first as I don't remember the R3 being available when I got my A9 which was in the first half of 2017.
p.31 #13 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
chez wrote:
Funny how it goes. Everyone claimed the A7R3 AF was the cat's meow before the A9 was released.
They aren't even in the same category. I had better luck with the A7R2's AF, which I found very accurate, than the A7R3. Case in point: I could do BIF with the A7R2; I had nothing but missed shots with the A7R3 no matter what mode I used. I also found shots taken with it to be soft; my A7R2 shots were always razor sharp. The A9 is nice compromise of great AF with decent image quality, although it has about 1 stop less DR than the A7R series.
