p.16 #1 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
kdrk888 wrote:
Tell me about it, I have owned 3, 5, and 7 Series, they are money pit!
Lexus is your solution.
The GS (now defunct) and LS are miles ahead in build quality and dependability compared to anything euro. Both are built in Japan by the best too, not some second/third rate factory that's run because the labour is cheap.
p.16 #2 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Where on their product page does it mention anything about overheating? I mean seriously? To say Canon is being transparent is an absolute joke. Just look at the website and the language they use. Further more go to Adorama or B&H and try and find an * or anything mentioning overheating. I'm not saying it is not an incredible camera. But let's not be silly.
It isn't even release and they are already making potential customers aware of the issue.
I remember being burnt (pun) by Sony a few times because of the lack of transparency about the issue.
So you don't think they should mention the limitations anywhere on the product pages of the sites that sell the camera or even their own website? You call that transparent? Remind me not to buy anything from you on the buy and sell board.
p.16 #4 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Bob_S wrote:
Lexus is your solution.
The GS (now defunct) and LS are miles ahead in build quality and dependability compared to anything euro. Both are built in Japan by the best too, not some second/third rate factory that's run because the labour is cheap.
Agree, my wife had a Lexus 300 and 350, nothing like the trouble I had with my beemers. Now back to Canon R5. I am currently solidly in Sony camp with the A9, A7RIII, A7RIV and 10 lenses, but I am quite interested in the R5, the RF 15-35 IS, RF 24-70 IS and the 70-200 IS. If the stabilization is even close to the 6-8 stops as they claim, that's quite something. I shoot a lot of casual sunrise/sunset pictures, it would be very convenient if I don't need to lug a tripod and can still use low ISO. I am just a hobbyist, it's not like I need to take pin sharp pictures on tripod that I need to sell, so whenever possible, I tend not to bring a tripod with me.
p.16 #5 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Just for my better understanding:
Does Sony actually point out the many shortcomings of their cameras?
- Where is the shuttershock of the A7R mentioned?
- Where can I find something about stareater on the product pages?
- Where can you find something on the product pages about the overheating problems with long exposures (longer than 30 seconds) and the resulting massive noise (compare a long exposure night shot of an A7R with that of an A7RII or III)?
- Where can I find something about the many auto focus shortcomings? My A7RIII focuses with all AF lenses and AF-S extremely unreliably.
Sometimes I feel like a beta tester...
p.16 #7 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
kdrk888 wrote:
Agree, my wife had a Lexus 300 and 350, nothing like the trouble I had with my beemers. Now back to Canon R5. I am currently solidly in Sony camp with the A9, A7RIII, A7RIV and 10 lenses, but I am quite interested in the R5, the RF 15-35 IS, RF 24-70 IS and the 70-200 IS. If the stabilization is even close to the 6-8 stops as they claim, that's quite something. I shoot a lot of casual sunrise/sunset pictures, it would be very convenient if I don't need to lug a tripod and can still use low ISO. I am just a hobbyist, it's not like I need to take pin sharp pictures on tripod that I need to sell, so whenever possible, I tend not to bring a tripod with me....Show more →
My A9 has been the LS400 of cameras, bulletproof dependability and a great all rounder.
p.16 #8 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
nhsonyshooter wrote:
So you don't think they should mention the limitations anywhere on the product pages of the sites that sell the camera or even their own website? You call that transparent? Remind me not to buy anything from you on the buy and sell board.
The R5 isn't available yet.
The chart I posted will likely be in the manual.
I'm betting the chart will be conservative estimates too.
Most people won't need to worry about the times anyway, who films 8K and needs long takes of more than 10 minutes? If you do, you need a real video camera.
p.16 #9 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Wedding photo/videographers, for one.
And 8k is a solution in search of a problem. It's great for pan and scan or doing a digital zoom, heavy cropping and retaining 4k, or even just good old fashioned oversampling but there aren't going to be 8k Blu-Ray discs, and streaming isn't going to embrace it for a while as connection speeds need to be quite high. Fine if you have fiber. And 8k displays are just trickling out.
This will change in 2 years. But then the hardware will be better. I don't see this as being the right product at the right time.
p.16 #10 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Bob_S wrote:
The R5 isn't available yet.
The chart I posted will likely be in the manual.
I'm betting the chart will be conservative estimates too.
Most people won't need to worry about the times anyway, who films 8K and needs long takes of more than 10 minutes? If you do, you need a real video camera.
p.16 #11 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Bob_S wrote:
The R5 isn't available yet.
The chart I posted will likely be in the manual.
I'm betting the chart will be conservative estimates too.
Most people won't need to worry about the times anyway, who films 8K and needs long takes of more than 10 minutes? If you do, you need a real video camera.
p.16 #13 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Charlie N wrote:
Overheats in 4K as well
As most Sony's do.
But Canon have mentioned it before the release, whereas Sony let full fee paying early adopters figure it out, which was kinda nasty - all three times for us.
p.16 #14 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
TheEmrys wrote:
Wedding photo/videographers, for one.
And 8k is a solution in search of a problem. It's great for pan and scan or doing a digital zoom, heavy cropping and retaining 4k, or even just good old fashioned oversampling but there aren't going to be 8k Blu-Ray discs, and streaming isn't going to embrace it for a while as connection speeds need to be quite high. Fine if you have fiber. And 8k displays are just trickling out.
This will change in 2 years. But then the hardware will be better. I don't see this as being the right product at the right time.
The content has to proceed the hardware. Some countries have good uptake of 8K (like my country) and good fibre (again, my country just completed a full fibre rollout).
Most of Asia where I've been anyway has great internet and 4K is everywhere with the switch to 8K taking place now.
p.16 #15 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Bob_S wrote:
No, they don't have to have information completed for a product that isn't available to buy and thus use yet.
Sounds like you don't have to worry anyway, stick to your Sony and be happy
Looks available to me? I just find it funny you twist yourself into knots in defending the camera who have not even held yet. Like I said before. Looks like a great camera. Just give customers all the info up front so they can make an informed decision. That's the only point. Don't hide behind "we noted it in the press release" (which no one reads), never to be seen again on their own website or their retailers. The same goes for Sony or any brand as well. Common sense isn't it?
p.16 #16 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Holger wrote:
For me it is clearly an overhyped product. I can remember the many discussions when Sony cameras showed overheating. Canon fans and Videographers were quick to point out that these recording limits pose a no-go, since you can't use the high-quality footage for e.g. interviews, where the camera needs to run a certain longer amount of time.
Now, all of a sudden this is a non-issue and one has to applaud them for putting e.g. 8k, which poses nothing extraordinarily new from a technology perspective, being done by several companies, into a small body, without proper heat management.
For me that is a fail and shows it to be more of a marketing thing, than intended for real high-end use ("a camera for pros") and competition for their cinema line. Many of those points where raised before the launch and those people were ridiculed immediately.
The camera itself is certainly a very nice and welcome product. Nevertheless, the footnotes are still important and we will see what else will come out short of expectations.
I am very careful with Canon marketing statements. They often try to exaggerate - an example is their sensitivity measurements which, contrary to all other manufacturers, are done with f/1.2 lenses (centerpoint) instead of at f2, to make the camera seem better.
As with "fastest AF" bla bla from many manufacturers (including Sony) it is always important to read the footnotes. ...Show more →
I hear what you're saying. I'm saying it's been so long since Canon had a product for us that could be hyped at all, I'm quite happy. All the Sony naysaying that happened never interested me, and it was a shame the other brand shooters were being jerks about the Sony products. Also a shame if it comes back around the other way, too.
p.16 #18 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
I'm a Sony shooter, 9 cameras and we have 2 Nikon's and 1 Canon.
I'm just being fair to Canon, they nailed this camera, price and release and deserve the hype.
Anyone complaining about an overheating issue bought the wrong camera.
I don't own shares, I'm not vested in any way, I'll happily be completely disloyal and switch systems, but believe credit should be given where it's due and that's now for Canon.
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p.16 #19 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Bob_S wrote:
The content has to proceed the hardware. Some countries have good uptake of 8K (like my country)
new zealand? it's a tiny backwater in the world picture, and afaik it doesn't have 4k/8k ota broadcasting.
whatever fiber rollout is there is insignificant in the 8k big picture.
Bob_S wrote:
Most of Asia where I've been anyway has great internet and 4K is everywhere with the switch to 8K taking place now.
. I am currently solidly in Sony camp with the A9, A7RIII, A7RIV and 10 lenses, but I am quite interested in the R5, the RF 15-35 IS, RF 24-70 IS and the 70-200 IS. If the stabilization is even close to the 6-8 stops as they claim, that's quite something. I shoot a lot of casual sunrise/sunset pictures, it would be very convenient if I don't need to lug a tripod and can still use low ISO. I am just a hobbyist, it's not like I need to take pin sharp pictures on tripod that I need to sell, so whenever possible, I tend not to bring a tripod with me.
It was a yes or no answer.