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That is a good question. I don't know. Not a wonderful option though. Send your cards in, wait some period of time for updating and then wait for them to ship back. Plus the cost of doing this; especially if one lives outside the US. I guess if you live in/near Poway, CA it might be possible to drop off and pick up and get quick turnaround though.


Nov 25, 2020 at 05:14 PM
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I don't know about the Transcend cards. I have the 256GB CFExpress and it was sloooow to write to the card in spite of the claimed write speed of 1300MB/s. I think it's no better than a fast SD card.

goalerjones wrote:
Per Tiggy's research Transcend cards were great value and good performance. From this site the price is very good. Also revealed was some of the 128gb cards were slower than their higher GB versions.

https://www.memoryc.com/flash-memory-cards/cfexpress.html





Nov 25, 2020 at 06:06 PM
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p.13 #3 · Best Memory Card for R5


Let us know if you here back from B&H. So far no real great deals on cfexpress cards. Lexar is on sale, but i read there may be a support issue if you have problems. I was leaning toward Delkin and may just wait until the firmware upgraded cards are widely available.

Returning the card for FW upgrade is a non-starter. I’ve dealt with too many issues and costs sending stuff back to the USA.
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A quick update on the Delkin cards with the new firmware. I believe those cards would be manufactured sometime in September, based on the thessdreview.com review. It seems like retailers order substantial stock. One major retailer in Canada told me their stock was from July and August. Even BH isn't sure if their stock is new enough to have the new firmware (they are checking and will email me). Unfortunately it takes special equipment to update the firmware and cannot be done by users (or even retailers by the sounds of it).

I may have to suffer short term pain for
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Nov 26, 2020 at 04:08 PM
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p.13 #4 · Best Memory Card for R5


Will do. Hoping to hear tomorrow, as they told me they would get back to me that day (Wednesday) else Friday because of Thursday being a US holiday.

I understand McBain in Calgary is looking into sending their stock of 128GB cards back to Delkin for f/w upgrade. I hope to hear more on that too.



Nov 26, 2020 at 04:22 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
I don't know about the Transcend cards. I have the 256GB CFExpress and it was sloooow to write to the card in spite of the claimed write speed of 1300MB/s. I think it's no better than a fast SD card.



My Transcend 256 is my main card. Don't know how fast they are writing but I also own the fastest SD UHS-II cards money can by and it is certainly a deeper buffer and much faster for the red write light to go out on the Transcend CFe.



Nov 26, 2020 at 06:06 PM
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It was slow and I was shooting in EFC mode and not the e-shutter. Good thing I wasn’t shooting anything big as I would have been real pissed ... having to wait for the buffer to clear.

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My Transcend 256 is my main card. Don't know how fast they are writing but I also own the fastest SD UHS-II cards money can by and it is certainly a deeper buffer and much faster for the red write light to go out on the Transcend CFe.




Nov 26, 2020 at 06:53 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
It was slow and I was shooting in EFC mode and not the e-shutter. Good thing I wasn’t shooting anything big as I would have been real pissed ... having to wait for the buffer to clear.



The buffer on mine is about 100 shots to slow down and clears within a few seconds even if you hit the limit. Dud card I'd say.



Nov 26, 2020 at 07:53 PM
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Definitely didn’t reach 100 shots. Not even 50 before it stops.

arbitrage wrote:
The buffer on mine is about 100 shots to slow down and clears within a few seconds even if you hit the limit. Dud card I'd say.




Nov 26, 2020 at 08:11 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
Definitely didn’t reach 100 shots. Not even 50 before it stops.



Yeah, if my card was doing that it would have gone straight back to Amazon. I almost returned it anyways in favour of a 128GB Delkin (which fully supports all video modes) but I got such a deal (mis-priced when first released on Amazon Canada) on the Transcend it was twice the capacity and less cost than the Delkin.



Nov 26, 2020 at 09:57 PM
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I had contacted MemoryC to complain about my card being too slow to write and they have agreed to replace it. Got a positive response in less than 2 hours, so their customer service is pretty good!

bobbytan wrote:
I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon and returns are super-easy, but I bought the Transcend card from MemoryC.com because they had the best price.



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Nov 26, 2020 at 10:07 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
This review from September already had updated cards for the 64 Prime and 128 Power sizes. They mention the 256 was still waiting to be updated.
https://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/cfexpress/delkin-devices-64gb-128gb-ands-256gb-power-and-prime-cfexpress-type-b-cards-reviewed-great-sustained-speeds-at-low-temps/

So that probably means they have made their way into the stores by now. I also noted that for a couple weeks B&H was Out of Stock of the 128 Power. Probably a good sign that whatever is In Stock going forward is updated.

But I don't know any way to check. A big retailer like B&H may be aware of the update but places like Amazon probably have no clue.


I searched Google for Delkin cards in the UK and to my surprise Manfrotto cfexpress turned up with 128Gb and 256GB cards, which were introduced two weeks ago. They have the same read/write speeds as Delkin Power (1730/1540). The data sheet on the Manfrotto site has in small print on the link for the manual "Delkin Professional 128GB, PC/e 3. 0, CFexpress TM Type B Memory Card MANPROCFE128 (pdf)". So, they look like a cheap way of getting a Delkin card, without the 48hr replacement warranty and they are not waterproof. I would like a reasonably priced card for stills and a 128Gb at £120 should be OK for me. I hope Delkin isn't offloading old cards, but even those should be OK for stills.



Nov 29, 2020 at 06:01 AM
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AdamBlyth wrote:
When I reached out to Angelbird they acknowledged the issue & told me they were working on a fix with Canon. They said they would email me with updates as well.

This suggested to me that it could be addressed with a future firmware update to the R5.


For anyone following this issues with Angelbird cards, I have been in touch again recently and they are sending me out new cards to test to see if the issue is fixed. My suspicion is the cards I have are older types, and perhaps these newer cards have update tech/firmware that may *hopefully* address the issue.




Dec 01, 2020 at 04:50 AM
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p.13 #13 · Best Memory Card for R5


Just a quick update on my post about the Delkin 64GB and 128GB CFexpress cards and the firmware upgrade. I did Chat with BH last Wednesday as to whether their cards had the new firmware or not (4x faster sustained writes). I was told they would email me that day or Friday. Didn't hear anything so chatted again yesterday. They still don't know. I will post another update when I hear back from them (or give up).


Dec 01, 2020 at 06:03 PM
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I followed up with BH again today re the Delkin 64GB and 128GB CFexpress cards. Recall that the question was whether their cards were now the ones with the new firmware that provided 4x sustained write speeds over the previous firmware (as per thessdreview.com review). In a chat, Larry C replied:

Our buyer said that we have been getting new product in since November. He does not think we have any of the older cards in stock any more.

Given this information, I have ordered two of the 128GB cards.



Dec 02, 2020 at 12:25 PM
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Time to provide an update on the Delkin card performance I ran tests this morning. I have discussed the tests and the results with tiggy, who was very helpful in both suggestions and insight.

Overall the results were very good but two things were noteworthy:

1: sustained write speed was not close to the 1GB/s mentioned in the thessdreview.com review.
2: RAW write performance was consistent but CRAW was not.

Set-up:

- Canon R5 on tripod, with Canon 100-400 v2 mounted to control ring. Lens kept at 100mm.
- Two cards tested; both Delkin 128GB CFexpress cards purchased from BH (confirmed by BH to be the new firmware)
- Before each test, the card had a low level format performed
- Camera: manual mode, 1/200, f/4.5, ISO 5000 (light was crappy), FF, spot/servo, evaluative metering, XXXelectronicXXX mechanical shutter. Auto focused then locked to MF before test.
- shutter release cable used
- Testing timed with iPhone Timer

Test results:

Card 'A':

RAW - Test 1: 311 photos @ 57.9MB. 17.58GB/30s, 600.2MB/sec.
RAW - Test 2: 315 @ 57.9MB. 17.81GB/30s, 608.0MB/sec.
CRAW - Test 1: 556 @ 33.4MB. 18.14GB/30s, 618.9MB/sec
CRAW - Test 2: 551 @ 33.4MB. 17.97GB/30s, 613.4MB/sec.

Card 'B':

RAW - Test 1: 310 @ 58.9MB. 17.83GB/30s, 608.6MB/sec.
RAW - Test 2: 308 @ 58.9MB. 17.72GB/30s, 604.7MB/sec.
CRAW - Test 1: 342 @ 34.0MB. 11.36GB/30s, 387.6MB/sec.
CRAW - Test 2: 343 @ 34.0MB. 11.39GB/30s, 388.7MB/sec.

Because the Card 'B' CRAW numbers seemed so out of wack, I ran that test a third time.

CRAW - Test 3: 335 @ 33.1MB. 10.83GB/30s, 369.6MB/sec

As you can see, card 'A', RAW and CRAW, as well as card 'B' RAW are all nestled in around 600-620MB/sec. But the CRAW on card 'B' came in at 370-390MB/sec across the three tests.

Tiggy asked about the battery charge level and also suggested using 1/1000 SS. The battery was at 58% after the last test. I switched to a fully charged battery (both batteries are OEM) and reran CRAW tests. This is where it gets even more perplexing.

I ran two more tests; one with the original 1/200 SS and one with 1/1000 SS. A low level format was done before each test. The available light was much better at this time so it was easy to get these shutter speeds.

Card 'B':

Test 4: 1/200 SS, 342 photos @ 25.0MB. 8.35GB/30s, 285.0MB/sec.
Test 5: 1/1000 SS, 345 @ 32.9MB. 11.08GB/30s, 378.4MB/sec.

What I find interesting from this additional test is that the number of files handled in 30 seconds of CRAW stayed pretty consistent, even though the throughput changed noticeably based on the file size. The ISO going up increased the file size which increased the throughput as the number of files stayed relatively constant.

Battery capacity was at 95% when I finished Test 5.

I then reran the tests with the 'good' card (card 'A') and am really perplexed now. I was thinking I muckered something up with this card and CRAW in the first round of tests, but based on Tiggy’s comments (see below), that may not be the case. Here are the results of the Card 'A' CRAW retest.

Battery at 95%
(1/200ss) 278 photos @ 26.6MB. 7.22GB/30s, 246.5MB/s
Battery at 93%
(1/200ss) 298 @ 27.0MB. 7.86GB/30s, 268.2MB/s
Battery at 92%
(1/1000ss) 238 @ 33.0MB. 7.67GB/30s, 261.8MB/s
Battery at 90%
(1/1000ss) 218 @ 32.8MB. 6.98GB/30s, 238.3MB/s
Battery at 88%

While doing the above tests, I noticed periods (2 - 3, maybe 4, seconds) where no photos were being taken. I was surprised by that. I will mention that there was very little difference in the temperature of the camera from start to finish of these tests. I didn’t think to immediately take the card out to check temperature but within a minute or so of the end of shooting on one card, I can say the card wasn’t hot.

To complete ‘the picture’, here are key comments from Tiggy:

“I think that the higher throughput rate is achievable by both cards, but that there is some setting or circumstance that has changed. This was completely typical in my tests, and I spent days getting to the point where I could get consistent results.”

“The period of a few seconds of silence is typical of some cards, including the Delkin.”

“There is a LOT of firmware interactions between different hardware components of the card, the card slot in the camera, the other hardware in the camera, heat throttling in the camera and in the card, etc. It's too many variables - at least for me - to have a good sense of what would happen in any given instance. So, a lot of trial and error before I got consistent results for good comparisons.”

I don’t know what conclusions to draw from this except that the Delkin cards deliver anywhere from really good to exceptional performance and don’t get hot. While not as performant as I thought they would be based on the thessdreview.com review, they are still very good at a good price.


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Dec 18, 2020 at 07:11 PM
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Update about Angelbird: I returned my 512GB "non XT" card to Angelbird, and they sent me a new one. The new card works fine, the start up time is comparable to my other Prograde Cobalt 325GB card.


Dec 19, 2020 at 03:38 PM
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Manual states that it supports UHS-II and UHS-I cards


Dec 19, 2020 at 04:58 PM
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AdamBlyth wrote:
For anyone following this issues with Angelbird cards, I have been in touch again recently and they are sending me out new cards to test to see if the issue is fixed. My suspicion is the cards I have are older types, and perhaps these newer cards have update tech/firmware that may *hopefully* address the issue.



Further update: I have received two new 512GB cards and the startup delay is now gone (well 1 sec so the same as other cards). Excellent!

Next step - I will be testing the cards in field this arvo as I was having some issues with buffer filling very quickly on the R5 (in a matter of seconds), which I attribute to the files not writing to the card quick enough. I am hoping the new firmware has also addressed this issue.



Dec 19, 2020 at 09:28 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
I had contacted MemoryC to complain about my card being too slow to write and they have agreed to replace it. Got a positive response in less than 2 hours, so their customer service is pretty good!



Hey Bobby,

Is your replacement card performing better?



Dec 20, 2020 at 08:08 AM
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The replacement card is arriving today! Will report back soon.

arbitrage wrote:
Hey Bobby,

Is your replacement card performing better?





Dec 21, 2020 at 02:30 PM
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