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anthonysemone wrote:

That is until the WHO has its say.

HA
with luck the days of those criminals are coming to an end

May 09, 2020 at 11:21 PM

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these days its nearly impossible to really know/tell who the real criminals are. well not really.

May 10, 2020 at 05:51 AM

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sorry but
i started watching Dr Chris Martenson at peak prosperity at the beginning of january, he had this pegged from day one and what this virus was going to turn into, you can watch his timelines and see, he'd already been warning about the spread and the need to shut down borders but yet, it took the WHO till the middle of febuary to declare this a pandemic...they'd also lied right along with their puppetmasters the CCP about this spreading by human to human contact, in my books that is a criminal act
and now, with studies of the proteins of this virus it is beginning to more like this is not a natural virus

May 10, 2020 at 07:13 AM

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brian_sp wrote:
sorry but
i started watching Dr Chris Martenson at peak prosperity at the beginning of january, he had this pegged from day one and what this virus was going to turn into, you can watch his timelines and see, he'd already been warning about the spread and the need to shut down borders but yet, it took the WHO till the middle of febuary to declare this a pandemic...they'd also lied right along with their puppetmasters the CCP about this spreading by human to human contact, in my books that is a criminal act
and now, with studies of the...Show more →

This is so off topic, I will simply say do not believe these conspiracy theories. The Canadian, UK, New Zealand, and Australian governments have all rejected this story. You are wrong about the science and that you are discussing proteins of the virus demonstrates you do not understand the basic biology which quite strongly suggests the virus is of natural origins.

May 10, 2020 at 07:30 AM

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well, you believe what you want, and i'll believe what i want, have to love freedom of choice

May 10, 2020 at 07:36 AM

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this should end right here or it will be locked

the name of this is: Nikon D6 autofocus - glimpse into Customization options. continue in that and that and within its scope.

and i apologize for my part in its turn

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May 10, 2020 at 07:36 AM

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Off topic to try and discuss epidemiology here, let alone the performance of the WHO, whose performance is exemplary compared against at least two so called developed countries! More pertinently, these myths of this disease being man-made myths etc, is pseudoscience. And this is certainly no place to spread myths about the origins of zoonoses, SARS-CoV19 or other.

I state this as one who has sequenced, analysed and published genomic data (over the past 18 years), and I have also specialized in the evolution and taxonomy of horseshoe bats (Genus Rhinolophus) among other vertebrates. Having read the key peer-reviewed articles published since December (and earlier with respect to SARS-CoV1), the origin is definitely that of a mammalian zoonotic that evolved in a horseshoe bat. It has switched to other hosts at least once before infecting humans (incidentally Ground-zero is not Wuhan). This included hybridization with related strains (possibly Malaysian pangolin).

3 among many pertinent references -

Cheng, V.C., Lau, S.K., Woo, P.C. and Yuen, K.Y., 2007. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus as an agent of emerging and reemerging infection. Clinical microbiology reviews, 20(4), 660-694.

Lau, S.K., Woo, P.C., Li, K.S., Huang, Y., Tsoi, H.W., Wong, B.H., Wong, S.S., Leung, S.Y., Chan, K.H. and Yuen, K.Y., 2005. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-like virus in Chinese horseshoe bats. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 102(39), 14040-14045.

Andersen, K.G., Rambaut, A., Lipkin, W.I., Holmes, E.C. and Garry, R.F., 2020. The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2. Nature medicine, 26(4), 450-452.

May 10, 2020 at 07:47 AM

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Back to topic

These videos and interviews are indeed promotional. They give us interesting insights into specs, and I agree with others that I trust Clive Mason far more than any utuber. It is counterproductive for an experienced professional, and equally Nikon in fact, to publish dishonest claims on their official website(s)

The most reliable 'hard information we have to date is the D6 Brochure, also published by Nikon:

https://cdn-4.nikon-cdn.com/e/Q5NM96RZZo-YRYNeYvAi9beHK4x3L-wmtXfawgokSdJtu7dDU0VkoA==/Misc/D6-Brochure.pdf

May 10, 2020 at 07:47 AM

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chambeshi wrote:
Back to topic

These videos and interviews are indeed promotional. They give us interesting insights into specs, and I agree with others that I trust Clive Mason far more than any utuber. It is counterproductive for an experienced professional, and equally Nikon in fact, to publish dishonest claims on their official website(s)

The most reliable 'hard information we have to date is the D6 Brochure, also published by Nikon:

https://cdn-4.nikon-cdn.com/e/Q5NM96RZZo-YRYNeYvAi9beHK4x3L-wmtXfawgokSdJtu7dDU0VkoA==/Misc/D6-Brochure.pdf

You seriously trust a guy who says this about a camera? "Looking at ISO 6400 now on the D6, you would think it was ISO 2000 on a D5. It is so much better."

If he is talking about Nikon's jpeg engine then sure maybe that engine really sucked on the D5 and there is a 1 2/3 stop improvement?

But for a RAW shooter that processes the file themselves I can guarantee there won't be even close to a 1 2/3 stop improvement in ISO. If that was true this camera sensor would be some tech we have never heard of.

That claim will be proven false just like every time this happens when a sponsored pre-review makes these claims (from all manufacturers).

Reading Clive's "review" and that Nikon brochure together it appears Nikon gave Clive a list of talking points that are identical to the brochure and he basically regurgitated the marketing spiel. This guy may be the best sports photographer there is but he is as biased as they come. Any "review" that doesn't mention a single criticism is the biggest waste of time.

May 10, 2020 at 08:10 AM

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chambeshi wrote:
Off topic to try and discuss epidemiology here, let alone the performance of the WHO, whose performance is exemplary compared against at least two so called developed countries! More pertinently, these myths of this disease being man-made myths etc, is pseudoscience. And this is certainly no place to spread myths about the origins of zoonoses, SARS-CoV19 or other.

I state this as one who has sequenced, analysed and published genomic data (over the past 18 years), and I have also specialized in the evolution and taxonomy of horseshoe bats (Genus Rhinolophus) among other vertebrates. Having read the key peer-reviewed articles...Show more →

Thank you for that and sharing your expertise. I apologize for the role I played in the off topic discussion as well.

May 10, 2020 at 08:30 AM

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You seriously trust a guy who says this about a camera? "Looking at ISO 6400 now on the D6, you would think it was ISO 2000 on a D5. It is so much better."

If he is talking about Nikon's jpeg engine then sure maybe that engine really sucked on the D5 and there is a 1 2/3 stop improvement?

But for a RAW shooter that processes the file themselves I can guarantee there won't be even close to a 1 2/3 stop improvement in ISO. If that was true this camera sensor would be some tech we have never heard of.

That...Show more →

It is a report on key findings of testing that is published to advertise the camera, and equally inform prospective owners of how the D6 compares to the D5. It's obvious the ISO2000 quip applies to in-camera jpgs only. Fine, and it's obviously stated in that context ie he's not claiming this for RAW to my reading. The article does not mention RAW, in fact. I agree let's see what Bill Claff tells us about the specs when he tests the D6 sensor , he and others stress the RAW output. Again we wait....

As when I read Joe [edit] McNally's blogs and magazine columns, bear in mind he's a Nikon fan and a Nikon ambassador. Same with Moose Peterson, but I have still learnt a great deal from them. However, do they broadcast blatant lies and false claims?

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May 10, 2020 at 08:36 AM

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Raw converters don't yet support the D6, so the early testers likely have to work with JPG. They might have some prerelease version of Nikon ViewNX-i or they might not.

Joe McNally's name is Joe, not Jeff.

Generally what the ambassadors say regarding early reports turns out to be accurate, though there is always some hype in particular about high-ISO performance (this is true of other brands as well) when we already know the D5 is close to the theoretical ideal sensor performance regarding photographic dynamic range at high ISO. However, many professional sports photographers shoot JPG so the processing improvements may be relevant to them. Also, they generally don't say negative things regarding the gear. I don't think any of us lack the reading comprehension skills to separate the hype from reality. That doesn't mean the other things said are not generally likely to be true, especially things that are relevant to the practice of that photographer. And that's the main thing: where does that photographer see the advantage for his or her work.

It is easy to get overexcited about a new piece of equipment. For example when the D5 was new I was able to get 99% in focus results when shooting contrasty dancers in bright daylight at 105mm f/1.4. However, when shooting more mundane subjects in diffuse dim lighting conditions, in-focus percentages do fall from that. There is always room for improvement. For example in dim light it's quite easy to get the 500/5.6 to hunt using the linear parts of the AF point array. One of the early testers said that in the D6 all the points work as well as the center point. That might not be literally true but it is likely that they can be trusted more than in previous systems due to being cross-type. (Again we don't yet know if they are cross-type with f/5.6 lenses, that would be very exciting to me if it does turn out the case.)

I think we are all subjected to advertising since childhood, and early on we learn to recognize when there is sales pitch that is a bit exaggerating. No great harm done there. What I'm much more worried about is the formation of bubbles within societies where members in the bubble believe nearly everything that other members say and they seem to dispute everything that people outside of that bubble are saying. It is so extreme. I still believe we can go to a society where facts are valued even if it might take some years to get there.

May 10, 2020 at 09:20 AM

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Nikon updated all of their software packages with added D6 support

Supported digital cameras

� The Z 7, Z 6, and Z 50
� All Nikon digital SLR cameras from the D1 (released in 1999) to the D780 (released in January 2020) and the D6

May 10, 2020 at 11:34 AM

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and they did it all the way back in the middle of February 2020 too.

that says a lot.

May 11, 2020 at 05:29 AM

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Okay, I didn't realize they had launched software support early, this doesn't usually happen. In any case it is likely that the testing of the camera was pre-pandemic and based on JPGs. I don't see anything wrong with this for the sports photographer's / PJ's purposes.

The brochure notes "Standard ISO up to 102400 and EXPEED 6 ensure images are ready for use, straight from the camera High image quality also means speed to the market, as images from the camera will rarely require post-production enhancement. The D6 pushes this even further. While maintaining 20.8 effective megapixels and a highest standard ISO sensitivity of 102400, its EXPEED 6 image-processing engine delivers even better image quality, with noise effectively suppressed throughout the wide ISO range." Since they talk about the processor, not the sensor, they are discussing enhancements to the JPG files.

Anyway the camera should come out in two weeks, so the manual should appear as well.

I noticed a feature which they mention in the brochure where the camera evaluates the images as time-series and attempts to produce more consistent automatic white balance in that series. That is interesting to see in actual use. Sometimes AWB can be thrown off by varying amounts of coloured background in the scene or such differences and getting homogeneous subject color from shot to shot would be valuable especially when presenting multiple images (e.g. could be in a wedding album spread or an action sequence). It could be limited to burst shooting, since it would be difficult to apply to very different images shot at different times. And yes, color can be corrected in post-processing but this is time-consuming.

May 11, 2020 at 07:44 AM

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Since they talk about the processor, not the sensor, they are discussing enhancements to the JPG files.

Are they now?. that processor is the entire camera control system. it tells what, where, when for things to happen. there is raw noise reduction capability in software products. are we sure its not in this?

lots of things going on here.

i did notice in my Z6 that it was less apt for noise compared to my D850 to begin with. just made post easier.

could be my minds assumption engine working hard

May 11, 2020 at 08:01 AM

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arbitrage wrote:
As soon as I read crap like this I just totally roll my eyes and stop reading: "Looking at ISO 6400 now on the D6, you would think it was ISO 2000 on a D5"

From an non-Nikon sponsored reviewer:

"To be clear - when it comes to the appearance of visible noise in your RAW images and when compared to the Nikon D5 - it's status quo on ISO performance."

Finally some honesty out there.... http://www.naturalart.ca/voice/blog.html#D6_EarlyImpressions

May 27, 2020 at 07:40 AM

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with all due respect, we have a different way of looking at things it seems. a single perspective with a somewhat limited use spectrum is just that.

May 27, 2020 at 08:24 AM

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sjms wrote:
with all due respect, we have a different way of looking at things it seems. a single perspective with a somewhat limited use spectrum is just that.

With all due respect, I have no idea if you are talking to me because it still seems that after 29K posts and 17 years on the forums you don't understand or simply refuse to use the Quote function and thus maintain a structured conversation.

But assuming you are replying to me, I have no idea what you are on about. What point are you trying to make? What way are you looking at the ISO improvements in the D6 vs the D5?

All I see so far is Nikon sponsored ambassadors writing reviews saying there is a 1 2/3 stop improvement in ISO without clarifying if it is jpeg or RAW. Then we have a non-sponsored reviewer with an excellent unbiased/fair track record of reviewing, praising and criticizing Nikon gear who at least is clarifying succinctly that he is talking about RAW and he is talking about visible noise patterns.

If you carefully read what Brad wrote you can infer that he will have more to say about the high ISO qualities in the full review and the way I'm reading into his comments is that there will be some improvements to other characteristics of the higher ISO files. Maybe less color blotching which is what the 1DXIII has shown over the 1DXII and can certainly be a useful improvement. Maybe better color retention? It also reads like Jpeg output is better....1 2/3 stops better? we shall see....

May 27, 2020 at 08:52 AM

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really i needed to use the quote function on that?

here to make you feel better and focus:

"To be clear - when it comes to the appearance of visible noise in your RAW images and when compared to the Nikon D5 - it's status quo on ISO performance."

brad has a limited perspective at this point because of what he chooses to shoot. and there nothing wrong with that rather limited perspective. but it is still what that is. when you are shooting in varied venues in life. the tools capabilities really start to show up when challenged. you can tech talk out all you want. but I'm in to getting the shot. do you go to clubs and watch bands play under somewhat limited or wild lighting and environment? do you shoot news shots in crappy lit basements, shooting in a mob or at night w/o flash?

please don't tell me a can't blow up my shots.

May 27, 2020 at 09:09 AM

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