RoamingScott wrote:
Holy crap, this is a new level of brand defense, even for you. Incredible.
Defence? No. You just don't realize reasons why a company may not want too much of something sold at a point in time. I stated as if it were my company. And I wouldn't want every pro buying the EOS R. There's reasons why Canon could want people to see the RF mount potential right away, without emptying too many pocketbooks.
Your post reminds me how some people had to have criticized Muhammed Ali for taking blows for extended time rather than landing punches. Certainly there was a brief period where their bird's mind view seemed more logical than something Ali did that didn't make sense for a few rounds. But when Ali held back (capped his sales) even a top pro fighting him probably didn't realize what was really happening.
Basically, I see Canon's technique right now somewhat like rope-the-dope.
mdvaden wrote:
Defence? No. You just don't realize reasons why a company may not want too much of something sold at a point in time. I stated as if it were my company. And I wouldn't want every pro buying the EOS R. There's reasons why Canon could want people to see the RF mount potential right away, without emptying too many pocketbooks.
Your post reminds me how some people had to have criticized Muhammed Ali for taking blows for extended time rather than landing punches. Certainly there was a brief period where their bird's mind view seemed more logical than something Ali did that didn't make sense for a few rounds. But when Ali held back (capped his sales) even a top pro fighting him probably didn't realize what was really happening.
Basically, I see Canon's technique right now somewhat like rope-the-dope.
mdvaden wrote:
Defence? No. You just don't realize reasons why a company may not want too much of something sold at a point in time. I stated as if it were my company. And I wouldn't want every pro buying the EOS R. There's reasons why Canon could want people to see the RF mount potential right away, without emptying too many pocketbooks.
Your post reminds me how some people had to have criticized Muhammed Ali for taking blows for extended time rather than landing punches. Certainly there was a brief period where their bird's mind view seemed more logical than something Ali did that didn't make sense for a few rounds. But when Ali held back (capped his sales) even a top pro fighting him probably didn't realize what was really happening.
Basically, I see Canon's technique right now somewhat like rope-the-dope.
Mike_5D wrote:
This difference that the opposing camera companies don't physically tire of selling product if Canon holds back.
Sony lost market share of full frame mirrorless to both Canon and Nikon since the EOS R, RP, and Z bodies came out. Yes, other companies have some "tire" figuratively.
Sony lost full frame mirrorless market share because they went from competing with nobody (does Leica count?) to competing with Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, and Sigma over the course of a single year.
Jesse Evans wrote:
Sony lost full frame mirrorless market share because they went from competing with nobody (does Leica count?) to competing with Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, and Sigma over the course of a single year.
Which explains the only reason they ever got to #1 in the first place. Kinda hard not to be #1 when you'r the only one in the race.
They had a good run at least. They'll go back to just making video games for little kids soon enough.
I'm really excited and hopeful Canon will deliver a winner this time around with the R5. No matter how much a lot of us criticize Canon for it's crippling over the years, I think most of us are excited that Canon might finally change course as it's now or never. I would have switched brands a long time ago if it weren't for my collection of Canon glass. So maybe waiting out the storm was a good move if the tide starts turning in Canon's favor.
Bring the R5....a wedding camera that can be used for sports with 12fps mechanical (hopefully!) In canon land, this just sounds too good to be true even though we aren't shooting for the stars with these specs.
You’re going to keep quoting Japanese statistics as if they are global, aren’t you, even though you are constantly corrected about it.
mdvaden wrote:
Sony lost market share of full frame mirrorless to both Canon and Nikon since the EOS R, RP, and Z bodies came out. Yes, other companies have some "tire" figuratively.
You make it sound like Sony's days are numbered. Truth is, they are only just starting! Sony had indicated from Day One (since they bought Minolta) that they are very serious about the professional photography market, and they have earned their #1 position in the MILC segment and will remain #1 in the foreseeable future. And No, I am not a Sony fanboy.
lighthound wrote:
Which explains the only reason they ever got to #1 in the first place. Kinda hard not to be #1 when you'r the only one in the race.
They had a good run at least. They'll go back to just making video games for little kids soon enough.
bobbytan wrote:
You make it sound like Sony's days are numbered.
Why yes, yes I am!
And it is Canon that has only just begun.
Go Tokura (Canon's Image Communication Business Operations Chief Executive) stated during an interview last year at the 2019 CP+ show in Yokohama, Japan.
"As you may know, Canon has a history of not always being first in the market with new technology, but we are very good at catching up, going beyond and becoming the leader."
Signed with hugs and kisses
A Canon supporting member
Sony OWNS the sensor market. They don’t have to sell the most full frames every year (even though they do), because Fuji and Nikon are relying on them for sensor R&D and fab.
Props due to Canon for staying the course on internal sensor design, IF they can match the industry standard Sony has set for them. If not, keeping the fab in house is a boneheaded move. We’ll see soon enough.
bobbytan wrote:
You make it sound like Sony's days are numbered. Truth is, they are only just starting! Sony had indicated from Day One (since they bought Minolta) that they are very serious about the professional photography market, and they have earned their #1 position in the MILC segment and will remain #1 in the foreseeable future. And No, I am not a Sony fanboy.
RoamingScott wrote:
Sony OWNS the sensor market. They don’t have to sell the most full frames every year (even though they do), because Fuji and Nikon are relying on them for sensor R&D and fab.
Props due to Canon for staying the course on internal sensor design, IF they can match the industry standard Sony has set for them. If not, keeping the fab in house is a boneheaded move. We’ll see soon enough.
"...because Fuji and Nikon are relying on them for sensor R&D and fab."
Sony supplies the sensor to almost all the camera manufacturers including sensors in MF cameras from Pentax, Hasselblad, Fuji, and Phase One. It supplies the One Inch type sensors to Panasonic and Canon, Micro Four Third to Olympus and Panasonic, APS sensors to Fuji ,Pentax, and Nikon, Full Frame to Nikon and Pentax. If you add up all of those plus sensors from the cell phone market, it can't be denied that they have set the standard.
Sony is currently ruling the mirror less professional market, but they are playing their cards too fast. For example, Sony a6600 with 16-55 f2.8 does not makes any sense when you have A7III in market for the same price. They are killing their own products. While canon is very smart and will never ruin its own products.
But for consumers, its great to have competition and thats what is forcing canon to step up their game and take aggressive approach. Canon has a great chance to get back its market for mirror less. Sony will have to be very smart with innovation to maintain the lead. The next gen of cameras are going to inherit lot of its features from mobile phones and smart products.
