p.10 #2 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
Hopefully we can find some rational ground as we all firmly reside within the Nikon thread that gives us so many options.
Sure some will prefer DSLR's and some MLC's or a combination of both. Personally I would like to try the D780 and just see how far technology has come with DSLR's almost like a hybrid.
For now traveling I have culled my gear to Z6's and combination of S and F mount lenses. Never had so many choices
p.10 #3 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
Just to be sure that I'm not totally confused, I took a few minutes to do a price and weight comparison between three cameras with three lenses each, D780, Z6 and A7 III with 24mm f/1.8 (28mm f/2 for the Sony), 50mm f/1.8 and 85mm f/1.8. This is not a quality comparison. Most people who change to mirrorless claim to do it to reduce weight and size. Sources: B&H and dpr. The $ 200 discount for the Z6 body has been deducted. Weights include one battery and memory card.
Total figures:
D780 price: $3,750
Z6 price: $4,200
A7 III price: $3,300
p.10 #4 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
Does carrying light equipment make you a better photographer? If so, DSLR users must be very bad photographers.
Maybe you feel better taking same old tired photos of "sadhus" and people with folded hands in Kumbh mela.
BTW, the real photographers are out there taking pictures with what they have, not sitting and weighing their cameras on a kitchen scale posting on forums.
chez wrote:
Bully for you. Does that make you a better photographer, maybe you feel you are better in shape? Oh...and I've scaled many peaks in the Rockies carrying my Pentax 6x7 outfit with a Manfrotto tripod weighing 5lbs...does that make it into your exclusive club?
Personally I'd much travel and photograph with a lighter kit than heavier...but that's just me...you might be different.
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p.10 #5 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
p.10 #7 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
I think 2020 might be the reemergence of the DSLR. Over the weekend, I met up with a photography enthusiast group over beers. The vibe I was getting is that people were leaning back into DSLR cameras again. Prices are affordable, lenses are plentiful, and people are appreciating the optical viewfinder and haptics from using an SLR form factor.
I tend to shoot both...my take is I still prefer DSLRs for action and MILCs for travel and portrait work. MILC focus precision with fast aperture glass is spot-on perfect for me almost all the time. The ease of DSLRs for focus tracking and low light acquisition via strobes/flash while shooting stopped down can't be replaced by mirrorless. It's best to view each as different tools for different jobs.
p.10 #8 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
Jaree wrote:
Does carrying light equipment make you a better photographer? If so, DSLR users must be very bad photographers.
Maybe you feel better taking same old tired photos of "sadhus" and people with folded hands in Kumbh mela.
BTW, the real photographers are out there taking pictures with what they have, not sitting and weighing their cameras on a kitchen scale posting on forums.
I don't even know how to provide a thoughtful reply to such an ignorant post...so I won't.
p.10 #9 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
Jorgen Udvang wrote:
Just to be sure that I'm not totally confused, I took a few minutes to do a price and weight comparison between three cameras with three lenses each, D780, Z6 and A7 III with 24mm f/1.8 (28mm f/2 for the Sony), 50mm f/1.8 and 85mm f/1.8. This is not a quality comparison. Most people who change to mirrorless claim to do it to reduce weight and size. Sources: B&H and dpr. The $ 200 discount for the Z6 body has been deducted. Weights include one battery and memory card.
Total figures:
D780 price: $3,750
Z6 price: $4,200
A7 III price: $3,300
D780 weight: 1,730 grams
Z6 weight: 2,010 grams
A7 III weight: 1,407 grams...Show more →
Interesting.
I do know my Z6 and 24/70 F4 kit is a fair bit lighter that the D810 24/70 2.8G lens it replaced.
p.10 #11 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
Max Power wrote:
Interesting.
I do know my Z6 and 24/70 F4 kit is a fair bit lighter that the D810 24/70 2.8G lens it replaced.
The D810 is heavier than either of the cameras in my comparison, and the 24-70mm f/4 has no equivalent for Nikon DSLRs. The closest comparable lens would be the 24-120mm f/4 which is around 200g heavier than the 24-70, but offers nearly twice the reach.
p.10 #12 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
I use both DSLR and mirrorless, they are both great. I’m not going tom sell my D500 for a long time, but I would prefer it was replaced by mirrorless for potential advantages like silent shooting, blackout free shooting etc, but I agree while EVF’s are now very good they aren’t quite as good as an experience but that is outweighed by what they offer like real-time histogram, magnified view etc without switching to clunky liveview at arms length. IMO at this stage A9/A9II are the only really compelling mirrorless cameras even though cameras like the A7RIII/IV Z7 are fine I could understand at least why Nikon users with a D850 wouldn’t feel any need to switch to mirrorless yet.The switch was much easier for us Canon owners. I’m waiting for next gen Nikon and Canon mirrorless, I doubt I’ll buy another DSLR but if they released a D860 or D550 which had further improvements to AF, speed, bumo in resolution, buffer (D860) and the mirrorless were still trailing in those areas I’d probably get one. But if we can get Z7II or Z8 that really offers same or better AF as D850/500 for fast action preferably with stacked sensors so one can use e-shutter, that’s the ideal situation for me.
p.10 #13 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
Lee Saxon wrote:
I can't upvote this enough. Heck, they could go even a little bigger than the D850 for my taste.
I'm this boat as well. I thought going from the D600 to the D850 would feel like carrying a boat anchor around. It's just the opposite - feels like the camera size I should have had all along.
p.10 #14 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
For those of you who think Nikon is wasting its time with new DSLR cameras, you may want to review the just announced Awards for camera sales in Japan. Nikon has gained meaningful market share in this category. Closing in on Canon. Make sure you click on the "Past Rankings" link in the different categories to see changes over time. It may change some views in these dynamic times. Of the big three each has its strengths and weaknesses. The smaller companies mostly just look weak and getting weaker.
What is clear is that currently Nikon has very good financial reasons for pursuing the "DSLR Cash Cow". She still has plenty of milk left to produce.
p.10 #15 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
1bwana1 wrote:
For those of you who think Nikon is wasting its time with new DSLR cameras, you may want to review the just announced Awards for camera sales in Japan. Nikon has gained meaningful market share in this category. Closing in on Canon. Make sure you click on the "Past Rankings" link in the different categories to see changes over time. It may change some views in these dynamic times. Of the big three each has its strengths and weaknesses. The smaller companies mostly just look weak and getting weaker.
What is clear is that currently Nikon has very good financial reasons for pursuing the "DSLR Cash Cow". She still has plenty of milk left to produce.
Did they gain share, or volume? (the former only as overall units sold continues to decline)
Only one of those results in financial gains for Nikon, especially since Canon is much farther along in moving their consumer market to Mirrorless, as they've been the biggest APS-C mirrorless maker for a number of years.
Nikon needs to maintain gross profit. Share increases in the shrinking DSLR market only matter if those sales come with improved margin, because otherwise all it says is they're failing slower than Canon is.
p.10 #16 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
chez wrote:
Maybe not for you...but for my use case, the mirrorless path gives me a much more portable system that I can carry all day without getting fatigued. I shot the Kumb Mela in India for 6 straight days, at least 12 hours of shooting each day along with long treks from my camp to the site. I'll tell you this much...if I had the D850 with me...it would have been painful.
Yes we all have different requirements...but please don't trivialize saving weight using a mirrorless system as we truly do have differing use cases...and the savings are not a couple of grams....Show more →
I could shoot with a D850 all day long and would not have any issues whatsoever. It might be 8.56 milligrams heavier than other gear, but I wouldnt notice it.
p.10 #17 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
chez wrote:
Well you better start buying up those DSLR cameras to show Nikon truly the DSLR is not dead...but the trend in sales numbers is pointing in a different direction.
Mirrorless isnt going to save the industry. Not even close.
p.10 #20 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
rattymouse wrote:
I could shoot with a D850 all day long and would not have any issues whatsoever. It might be 8.56 milligrams heavier than other gear, but I wouldnt notice it.
On the flip side, I'd notice very quickly, but that's the result of a pair of injuries to my dominant shoulder & elbow. I need to use a lightweight body if carrying it in the hand or handholding for any length of time, a D850 is tripod or retention bound for me.
I'm also a landscape guy and the lightweight gear comes into its own when you're hauling it far from base (I'm talking hours/days away). It's as much a case of being able to haul something else useful as simply the weight itself.
