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Archive 2019Leica SL 2 announced
p.6 #1Leica SL 2 announced
Thanks, it was the aperture control I was wondering about, and if the lens works in mf it's fine, most of my lenses are mf or adapted mf. Don't need a $1500 paperweight, I already have far too many (4) non-infinity focusing m adapter z paperweights lying about.
Jan 12, 2020 at 03:47 PM
p.6 #2Leica SL 2 announced
AF works fine for S lenses on the SL2. Maybe a bit quicker than the SL but not much. They feel like the 50 Summilux SL did when it first came out for the SL.
I just tried my AF Novoflex adaptor for Nikon with the Nikkor 200-500. AF works on that with the SL2 as well. It gets slower the longer the focal length and the closer to infinity you get. Pre focusing helps a LOT. Handy in a pinch but no use for sports or fast moving objects.
Gordon
I just tried my AF Novoflex adaptor for Nikon with the Nikkor 200-500. AF works on that with the SL2 as well. It gets slower the longer the focal length and the closer to infinity you get. Pre focusing helps a LOT. Handy in a pinch but no use for sports or fast moving objects.
Gordon
Jan 12, 2020 at 03:49 PM
p.6 #3Leica SL 2 announced
AndereObjektiv wrote:
Thanks, it was the aperture control I was wondering about, and if the lens works in mf it's fine, most of my lenses are mf or adapted mf. Don't need a $1500 paperweight, I already have far too many (4) non-infinity focusing m adapter z paperweights lying about.
Other than AF, the S lens adapter works seamlessly, including aperture control, on Panasonic S1r body. Similar to you, I also have been using several systems and have tried too many lens adapters. IMHO, the Leica SL/SL2 is a very attractive system to be able to use multiple Leica system lenses (SL, M, R, and S). But the real strength of the L systems is the new L mount Leica, lenses. For Panasonic S1/S1r, I would recommend to invest into Leica SL zoom/prime lenses rather than S-SL adapter.
Thanks, it was the aperture control I was wondering about, and if the lens works in mf it's fine, most of my lenses are mf or adapted mf. Don't need a $1500 paperweight, I already have far too many (4) non-infinity focusing m adapter z paperweights lying about.
Other than AF, the S lens adapter works seamlessly, including aperture control, on Panasonic S1r body. Similar to you, I also have been using several systems and have tried too many lens adapters. IMHO, the Leica SL/SL2 is a very attractive system to be able to use multiple Leica system lenses (SL, M, R, and S). But the real strength of the L systems is the new L mount Leica, lenses. For Panasonic S1/S1r, I would recommend to invest into Leica SL zoom/prime lenses rather than S-SL adapter.
Jan 12, 2020 at 04:16 PM
p.6 #4Leica SL 2 announced
Thanks again,
Well, I already have several s lenses, and I've got my eye on the 90sl eventually. My lens road map looks more like otus 28, rodenstock w and sw, before I get to leica sl glass.
Maybe alpa will make a GFX module for the TC.
Are you out there alpa
fuji leica nikon A modular 100mp 44x33 sensor 16 bit mfdb with no pdaf waste pixels with a modular flange / shutter realease button like the 907x please!!! With adapters for all the glass.
I can dream can't I?
Well, I already have several s lenses, and I've got my eye on the 90sl eventually. My lens road map looks more like otus 28, rodenstock w and sw, before I get to leica sl glass.
Maybe alpa will make a GFX module for the TC.
Are you out there alpa
fuji leica nikon A modular 100mp 44x33 sensor 16 bit mfdb with no pdaf waste pixels with a modular flange / shutter realease button like the 907x please!!! With adapters for all the glass.I can dream can't I?
Jan 12, 2020 at 04:47 PM
p.6 #5Leica SL 2 announced
The Summicron-SL 90 and the Otus 28 are the two lenses that I am looking to get, hopefully, this year.
Jan 12, 2020 at 06:50 PM
p.6 #6Leica SL 2 announced
You are welcome. 907 looks so nice, I only wish it had flip LCD to do waist level shooting. This is so nature and important for Hasselblad users that I am disappointed to see it miss.
For any FF system, even I know diffraction happen around f5.6 to f10 depend on pixel size, I personally will not hesitate to use up to f13 if I have to. Sharpening can compensate some detail loss.
As Ocean replied, other than AF, S glasses were great on S1x. I almost never use AF on SL2 anyway. S glasses have real focus ring that feel so nice for manual focus because high performance and f2-f2.5 aperture, the peaking works better than M glasses and you keep the focus WO at any shooting aperture which is a big plus. With M, I tend to do focus WO or close to WO and then stop down shooting, that is extra step.
As for FP, after this trip, I decide IBIS is an important feature now I rely on. A few night I brought SL2 and M out, I find I tend to use SL more because it has much wide shooting envelop than M. Images come out of it is really sharp, I can do 1/4S with 90 APO. SL2’s IBIS is really working, again thank to Panasonic. With 6 bit M, this is a blast in field.
As for summicron SL or zoom, I only use zoom during travel so I will not buy expensive zoom. I like Panasonic 70-200 a lot though I have to use E shutter. SL2 have compatible problem with this lens with mechanical shutter. I might get Pana 16-35 buy no SL glasses. They are too expensive and big with no focus ring, I need good manual focus feeling for Leica glasses if that make any sense.
AndereObjektiv wrote:
Interesting news from all of you. Thanks especially for the report of m and s glass zhangyue. It's not surprising that you had best results with s glass @ f/5.6 as the 47.5mp sensor is diffraction limited around f/6.1 for 0.565µm yellow green light. For depth of field for landscapes focus stacking will provide better sharpness, at the expense of more exposures and more chances to misfocus during stacking. For sure the lens diffraction seems to increase above f/9 faster than sensor diffraction is noticeable at above f/6.1.
There is also an hasselblad h adapter for the L mount.
Having α9,...Show more →
For any FF system, even I know diffraction happen around f5.6 to f10 depend on pixel size, I personally will not hesitate to use up to f13 if I have to. Sharpening can compensate some detail loss.
As Ocean replied, other than AF, S glasses were great on S1x. I almost never use AF on SL2 anyway. S glasses have real focus ring that feel so nice for manual focus because high performance and f2-f2.5 aperture, the peaking works better than M glasses and you keep the focus WO at any shooting aperture which is a big plus. With M, I tend to do focus WO or close to WO and then stop down shooting, that is extra step.
As for FP, after this trip, I decide IBIS is an important feature now I rely on. A few night I brought SL2 and M out, I find I tend to use SL more because it has much wide shooting envelop than M. Images come out of it is really sharp, I can do 1/4S with 90 APO. SL2’s IBIS is really working, again thank to Panasonic. With 6 bit M, this is a blast in field.
As for summicron SL or zoom, I only use zoom during travel so I will not buy expensive zoom. I like Panasonic 70-200 a lot though I have to use E shutter. SL2 have compatible problem with this lens with mechanical shutter. I might get Pana 16-35 buy no SL glasses. They are too expensive and big with no focus ring, I need good manual focus feeling for Leica glasses if that make any sense.
AndereObjektiv wrote:
Interesting news from all of you. Thanks especially for the report of m and s glass zhangyue. It's not surprising that you had best results with s glass @ f/5.6 as the 47.5mp sensor is diffraction limited around f/6.1 for 0.565µm yellow green light. For depth of field for landscapes focus stacking will provide better sharpness, at the expense of more exposures and more chances to misfocus during stacking. For sure the lens diffraction seems to increase above f/9 faster than sensor diffraction is noticeable at above f/6.1.
There is also an hasselblad h adapter for the L mount.
Having α9,...Show more →
Jan 12, 2020 at 07:39 PM
p.6 #7Leica SL 2 announced
zhangyue wrote:
You are welcome. 907 looks so nice, I only wish it had flip LCD to do waist level shooting. This is so nature and important for Hasselblad users that I am disappointed to see it miss.
Ah, but it does flip up:
https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.
For any FF system, even I know diffraction happen around f5.6 to f10 depend on pixel size, I personally will not hesitate to use up to f13 if I have to. Sharpening can compensate some detail loss.
As Ocean replied, other than AF, S glasses were great on S1x. I almost never use AF on SL2 anyway. S glasses have real focus ring that feel so nice for manual focus because high performance and f2-f2.5 aperture, the peaking works better than M glasses and you keep the focus WO at any shooting aperture which is a big plus. With M, I tend...Show more →
I did not mean to imply you did not know about diffraction. This is a misunderstanding, apologies. Only an observation of the physics of aberrations on the wide end and diffraction on the narrow end of the aperture, chasing the sharpest image. It occurs to me that the spatial resolution in high resolution mode of this 47.5mp sensor is around 233 lp/mm, about f/6.3 on an ideal lens, no accident either. I too will not shy away from higher f/ stops, and also use diffraction mitigation sharpening.
Great news about s glass, thanks as well.
I begin to understand the tradeoff between hyperfocal distance and lens FoV. I would like an otus 40ish as a compromise between aperture/diffraction sweetspot and hyperfocal distance. It's probably why I very much like the overall image impression of the 35, 40 and 50 medium format lenses from schneider and rodenstock regardless of mp density.
Also I think the 47.5mp sensor is from sony and shared among the s1r, sl2, z7, d850, q2. All with different sensor glass stacks, different processing pipelines, circuitry, color science, raw engines etc. Lots of differences. But the same base sensor. PDAF takes 1.8mp.
You are welcome. 907 looks so nice, I only wish it had flip LCD to do waist level shooting. This is so nature and important for Hasselblad users that I am disappointed to see it miss.
Ah, but it does flip up:
https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.
For any FF system, even I know diffraction happen around f5.6 to f10 depend on pixel size, I personally will not hesitate to use up to f13 if I have to. Sharpening can compensate some detail loss.
As Ocean replied, other than AF, S glasses were great on S1x. I almost never use AF on SL2 anyway. S glasses have real focus ring that feel so nice for manual focus because high performance and f2-f2.5 aperture, the peaking works better than M glasses and you keep the focus WO at any shooting aperture which is a big plus. With M, I tend...Show more →
I did not mean to imply you did not know about diffraction. This is a misunderstanding, apologies. Only an observation of the physics of aberrations on the wide end and diffraction on the narrow end of the aperture, chasing the sharpest image. It occurs to me that the spatial resolution in high resolution mode of this 47.5mp sensor is around 233 lp/mm, about f/6.3 on an ideal lens, no accident either. I too will not shy away from higher f/ stops, and also use diffraction mitigation sharpening.
Great news about s glass, thanks as well.
I begin to understand the tradeoff between hyperfocal distance and lens FoV. I would like an otus 40ish as a compromise between aperture/diffraction sweetspot and hyperfocal distance. It's probably why I very much like the overall image impression of the 35, 40 and 50 medium format lenses from schneider and rodenstock regardless of mp density.
Also I think the 47.5mp sensor is from sony and shared among the s1r, sl2, z7, d850, q2. All with different sensor glass stacks, different processing pipelines, circuitry, color science, raw engines etc. Lots of differences. But the same base sensor. PDAF takes 1.8mp.
Jan 12, 2020 at 08:38 PM
p.6 #8Leica SL 2 announced
zhangyue wrote:
Well, after a trip with SL2, I think this is NOT the best MILC camera I ever used but certainly my favorite MILC camera to date, go figure
Since got it, I haven’t pick up S1 or Z7 and I don’t see myself want to pick them in near future. Time to do a little change for my systems.
In recent China trip, I was able to test both Sony A7r4 and A9. First time to handle both actually. Haha, not seeing myself going that routine any time soon. If I am honest here, there is not much changed for overall...Show more →
I've now used the SL2 twice (once short and once long) and it has the same "problems" communicating with the SL primes as the S1 does. Makes me wonder how much work Leica actually did on the SL2, virtually none if you ask me (aside from menu and shell design).
It doesn't mean I won't buy one, I will because I like the ergonomics. Though if it wasn't for the SL f/2 primes I would drop the mount in a heartbeat as ALL the bodies have serious (for me) shortcomings in one way or another. Again not saying you couldn't do good work with either of the bodies (I still do paid work with old film cameras) but if not for the lenses I wouldn't want to deal with the issues (mainly AF or IBIS or shutter/shutter read-out related issues).
My options are to sell the 9 L-mount lenses I own at a loss (and just keep using the EOSR/hope they get a bunch of small good f/1.8-2 primes). Or to take the body that seems best for me (would be the SL2 since I like the ergonomics) and just hope firmware fixes a lot of the issues (and if it doesn't, I'll just maintain a kit of SL2+lenses and EOSR+lenses and use as needed).
But if someone was asking if I recommend the L-mount I'd say it depends on what you want out of your system as Canon/Nikon/Sony/Fuji make better bodies (for me/in my usage cases), but that's not necessarily true for everybody.
Well, after a trip with SL2, I think this is NOT the best MILC camera I ever used but certainly my favorite MILC camera to date, go figure
Since got it, I haven’t pick up S1 or Z7 and I don’t see myself want to pick them in near future. Time to do a little change for my systems.
In recent China trip, I was able to test both Sony A7r4 and A9. First time to handle both actually. Haha, not seeing myself going that routine any time soon. If I am honest here, there is not much changed for overall...Show more →
I've now used the SL2 twice (once short and once long) and it has the same "problems" communicating with the SL primes as the S1 does. Makes me wonder how much work Leica actually did on the SL2, virtually none if you ask me (aside from menu and shell design).
It doesn't mean I won't buy one, I will because I like the ergonomics. Though if it wasn't for the SL f/2 primes I would drop the mount in a heartbeat as ALL the bodies have serious (for me) shortcomings in one way or another. Again not saying you couldn't do good work with either of the bodies (I still do paid work with old film cameras) but if not for the lenses I wouldn't want to deal with the issues (mainly AF or IBIS or shutter/shutter read-out related issues).
My options are to sell the 9 L-mount lenses I own at a loss (and just keep using the EOSR/hope they get a bunch of small good f/1.8-2 primes). Or to take the body that seems best for me (would be the SL2 since I like the ergonomics) and just hope firmware fixes a lot of the issues (and if it doesn't, I'll just maintain a kit of SL2+lenses and EOSR+lenses and use as needed).
But if someone was asking if I recommend the L-mount I'd say it depends on what you want out of your system as Canon/Nikon/Sony/Fuji make better bodies (for me/in my usage cases), but that's not necessarily true for everybody.
Jan 12, 2020 at 11:09 PM
p.6 #9Leica SL 2 announced
Wow, thanks for the info of 907. That is definitely not a good news to me 
it was written off on my list before due to no flip LCD.
SL2 Sensor should not be a Sony sensor, it doesn’t have that great DR during push pull the file. I think it is from TowerJazz but not confirmed. I also have to say Z7 use different sensor as Sony as well with ISO 64 and not the same pixel count as Sony ones but maybe they do use Sony fab and some of their tech. Z7 use modified D850 sensor with on sensor PDAF. Z6 and S1 indeed use Sony 24M tech though most likely as they all share the same pixel count and have the same DR but have different CFA designed for each system. After a little more use, I’d say SL2 have quite similar color as Panasonic S1 which I actually quite like. They both have strong red and blue, I slightly prefer SL2 color more than any Nikon and Sony I ever used, or even better than S007 but I also quite like M240 and M10p color, they are different than SL2 but seems very neutral and easy to tame for skin tone.
SL2 and Q2 might share the same sensor but with different sensor stack. Panasonic S1R use the same sensor but with different signal processor so S1R actually has slightly better DR with processing.
AndereObjektiv wrote:
Ah, but it does flip up:
https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.
As Ocean replied, other than AF, S glasses were great on S1x. I almost never use AF on SL2 anyway. S glasses have real focus ring that feel so nice for manual focus because high performance and f2-f2.5 aperture, the peaking works better than M glasses and you keep the focus WO at any shooting aperture which is a big plus. With M, I tend to do focus WO or close to WO and then stop down shooting, that is extra step.
As for FP, after this trip, I decide IBIS is an important feature now I rely on. A few night I brought SL2 and M out, I find I tend to use SL more because it has much wide shooting envelop than M. Images come out of it is really sharp, I can do 1/4S with 90 APO. SL2’s IBIS is really working, again thank to Panasonic. With 6 bit M, this is a blast in field.I did not mean to imply you did not know about diffraction. This is a misunderstanding, apologies. Only an observation of the physics of aberrations on the wide end and diffraction on the narrow end of the aperture, chasing the sharpest image. It occurs to me that the spatial resolution in high resolution mode of this 47.5mp sensor is around 233 lp/mm, about f/6.3 on an ideal lens, no accident either. I too will not shy away from higher f/ stops, and also use diffraction mitigation sharpening.
Great...Show more →
it was written off on my list before due to no flip LCD. SL2 Sensor should not be a Sony sensor, it doesn’t have that great DR during push pull the file. I think it is from TowerJazz but not confirmed. I also have to say Z7 use different sensor as Sony as well with ISO 64 and not the same pixel count as Sony ones but maybe they do use Sony fab and some of their tech. Z7 use modified D850 sensor with on sensor PDAF. Z6 and S1 indeed use Sony 24M tech though most likely as they all share the same pixel count and have the same DR but have different CFA designed for each system. After a little more use, I’d say SL2 have quite similar color as Panasonic S1 which I actually quite like. They both have strong red and blue, I slightly prefer SL2 color more than any Nikon and Sony I ever used, or even better than S007 but I also quite like M240 and M10p color, they are different than SL2 but seems very neutral and easy to tame for skin tone.
SL2 and Q2 might share the same sensor but with different sensor stack. Panasonic S1R use the same sensor but with different signal processor so S1R actually has slightly better DR with processing.
AndereObjektiv wrote:
zhangyue wrote
You are welcome. 907 looks so nice, I only wish it had flip LCD to do waist level shooting. This is so nature and important for Hasselblad users that I am disappointed to see it miss.https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.
Earlier quote
For any FF system, even I know diffraction happen around f5.6 to f10 depend on pixel size, I personally will not hesitate to use up to f13 if I have to. Sharpening can compensate some detail loss.As Ocean replied, other than AF, S glasses were great on S1x. I almost never use AF on SL2 anyway. S glasses have real focus ring that feel so nice for manual focus because high performance and f2-f2.5 aperture, the peaking works better than M glasses and you keep the focus WO at any shooting aperture which is a big plus. With M, I tend to do focus WO or close to WO and then stop down shooting, that is extra step.
As for FP, after this trip, I decide IBIS is an important feature now I rely on. A few night I brought SL2 and M out, I find I tend to use SL more because it has much wide shooting envelop than M. Images come out of it is really sharp, I can do 1/4S with 90 APO. SL2’s IBIS is really working, again thank to Panasonic. With 6 bit M, this is a blast in field.
Great...Show more →
Jan 12, 2020 at 11:20 PM
p.6 #10Leica SL 2 announced
It all make sense. The system selection is highly personal nowdays if we remove price consideration which Leica is definitely at disadvantage.
As I said, there are still quirks with this system but I just like it. No flip LCD is another big minus for SL2. However, this is the most enjoyable Leica camera next to M I ever used thanks for Panasonic.
I am waiting for next sigma f2.8 prime. 45mm is so awesome Nowdays, I think Leica build the best body but others build better glass $$$$ wise
adamdewilde wrote:
Since got it, I haven’t pick up S1 or Z7 and I don’t see myself want to pick them in near future. Time to do a little change for my systems.
In recent China trip, I was able to test both Sony A7r4 and A9. First time to handle both actually. Haha, not seeing myself going that routine any time soon. If I am honest here, there is not much changed for overall experience to access and control the body since A7r2 I had as soon as I put it in hand. Admitting AF is definitely the best I ever seen in mirrorless body, too pity it is not in my need list. I will get burned for saying this here to offend my Sony friends, but well, FYI only if it worth 2c.
You want your camera as simple as possible, trust me.I've now used the SL2 twice (once short and once long) and it has the same "problems" communicating with the SL primes as the S1 does. Makes me wonder how much work Leica actually did on the SL2, virtually none if you ask me (aside from menu and shell design).
It doesn't mean I won't buy one, I will because I like the ergonomics. Though if it wasn't for the SL f/2 primes I would drop the mount in a heartbeat as ALL the bodies have serious (for me) shortcomings in one way or another. Again not saying you couldn't...Show more →
As I said, there are still quirks with this system but I just like it. No flip LCD is another big minus for SL2. However, this is the most enjoyable Leica camera next to M I ever used thanks for Panasonic.
I am waiting for next sigma f2.8 prime. 45mm is so awesome
Nowdays, I think Leica build the best body but others build better glass $$$$ wise adamdewilde wrote:
zhangyue wrote
Well, after a trip with SL2, I think this is NOT the best MILC camera I ever used but certainly my favorite MILC camera to date, go figureSince got it, I haven’t pick up S1 or Z7 and I don’t see myself want to pick them in near future. Time to do a little change for my systems.
In recent China trip, I was able to test both Sony A7r4 and A9. First time to handle both actually. Haha, not seeing myself going that routine any time soon. If I am honest here, there is not much changed for overall experience to access and control the body since A7r2 I had as soon as I put it in hand. Admitting AF is definitely the best I ever seen in mirrorless body, too pity it is not in my need list. I will get burned for saying this here to offend my Sony friends, but well, FYI only if it worth 2c.
You want your camera as simple as possible, trust me.
It doesn't mean I won't buy one, I will because I like the ergonomics. Though if it wasn't for the SL f/2 primes I would drop the mount in a heartbeat as ALL the bodies have serious (for me) shortcomings in one way or another. Again not saying you couldn't...Show more →
Jan 12, 2020 at 11:34 PM
p.6 #11Leica SL 2 announced
zhangyue wrote:
It all make sense. The system selection is highly personal nowdays if we remove price consideration which Leica is definitely at disadvantage.
As I said, there are still quirks with this system but I just like it. No flip LCD is another big minus for SL2. However, this is the most enjoyable Leica camera next to M I ever used thanks for Panasonic.
I am waiting for next sigma f2.8 prime. 45mm is so awesome Nowdays, I think Leica build the best body but others build better glass $$$$ wise
Since got it, I haven’t pick up S1 or Z7 and I don’t see myself want to pick them in near future. Time to do a little change for my systems.
In recent China trip, I was able to test both Sony A7r4 and A9. First time to handle both actually. Haha, not seeing myself going that routine any time soon. If I am honest here, there is not much changed for overall experience to access and control the body since A7r2 I had as soon as I put it in hand. Admitting AF is definitely the best I ever seen in mirrorless body, too pity it is not in my need list. I will get burned for saying this here to offend my Sony friends, but well, FYI only if it worth 2c.
You want your camera as simple as possible, trust me.I've now used the SL2 twice (once short and once long) and it has the same "problems" communicating with the SL primes as the S1 does. Makes me wonder how much work Leica actually did on the SL2, virtually none if you ask me (aside from menu and shell design).
It doesn't mean I won't buy one, I will because I like the ergonomics. Though if it wasn't for the SL f/2 primes I would drop the mount in a heartbeat as ALL the bodies have serious (for me) shortcomings in one way or another. Again not saying you couldn't do good work with either of the bodies (I still do paid work with old film cameras) but if not for the lenses I wouldn't want to deal with the issues (mainly AF or IBIS or shutter/shutter read-out related issues).
My options are to sell the 9 L-mount lenses I own at a loss (and just keep using the EOSR/hope they get a bunch of small good f/1.8-2 primes). Or to take the body that seems best for me (would be the SL2 since I like the ergonomics) and just hope firmware fixes a lot of the issues (and if it doesn't, I'll just maintain a kit of SL2+lenses and EOSR+lenses and use as needed).
But if someone was asking if I recommend the L-mount I'd say it depends on what you want out of your system as Canon/Nikon/Sony/Fuji make better bodies (for me/in my usage cases), but that's not necessarily true for everybody.
Ergonomics wise I'll probably be happy with the SL2 much like you are. I like the colours of the Q2 and of the S1 so that's the biggest hurdle.
Besides it's not my only camera by a long shot.
It all make sense. The system selection is highly personal nowdays if we remove price consideration which Leica is definitely at disadvantage.
As I said, there are still quirks with this system but I just like it. No flip LCD is another big minus for SL2. However, this is the most enjoyable Leica camera next to M I ever used thanks for Panasonic.
I am waiting for next sigma f2.8 prime. 45mm is so awesome
Nowdays, I think Leica build the best body but others build better glass $$$$ wise adamdewilde wrote
zhangyue wrote
Well, after a trip with SL2, I think this is NOT the best MILC camera I ever used but certainly my favorite MILC camera to date, go figureSince got it, I haven’t pick up S1 or Z7 and I don’t see myself want to pick them in near future. Time to do a little change for my systems.
In recent China trip, I was able to test both Sony A7r4 and A9. First time to handle both actually. Haha, not seeing myself going that routine any time soon. If I am honest here, there is not much changed for overall experience to access and control the body since A7r2 I had as soon as I put it in hand. Admitting AF is definitely the best I ever seen in mirrorless body, too pity it is not in my need list. I will get burned for saying this here to offend my Sony friends, but well, FYI only if it worth 2c.
You want your camera as simple as possible, trust me.
It doesn't mean I won't buy one, I will because I like the ergonomics. Though if it wasn't for the SL f/2 primes I would drop the mount in a heartbeat as ALL the bodies have serious (for me) shortcomings in one way or another. Again not saying you couldn't do good work with either of the bodies (I still do paid work with old film cameras) but if not for the lenses I wouldn't want to deal with the issues (mainly AF or IBIS or shutter/shutter read-out related issues).
My options are to sell the 9 L-mount lenses I own at a loss (and just keep using the EOSR/hope they get a bunch of small good f/1.8-2 primes). Or to take the body that seems best for me (would be the SL2 since I like the ergonomics) and just hope firmware fixes a lot of the issues (and if it doesn't, I'll just maintain a kit of SL2+lenses and EOSR+lenses and use as needed).
But if someone was asking if I recommend the L-mount I'd say it depends on what you want out of your system as Canon/Nikon/Sony/Fuji make better bodies (for me/in my usage cases), but that's not necessarily true for everybody.
Ergonomics wise I'll probably be happy with the SL2 much like you are. I like the colours of the Q2 and of the S1 so that's the biggest hurdle.
Besides it's not my only camera by a long shot.
Jan 13, 2020 at 08:34 AM
p.6 #12Leica SL 2 announced
AndereObjektiv wrote:
Ah, but it does flip up:
https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.
now I remember my problem with it was not no flip LCD but how you shoot in portrait mode? Original Hassy was so nice designed with square format.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.
Edited on Jan 16, 2020 at 11:17 AM · View previous versions
Ah, but it does flip up:
https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.
now I remember my problem with it was not no flip LCD but how you shoot in portrait mode? Original Hassy was so nice designed with square format.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.
Edited on Jan 16, 2020 at 11:17 AM · View previous versions
Jan 15, 2020 at 05:38 PM
p.6 #13Leica SL 2 announced
zhangyue wrote:
I am waiting for next sigma f2.8 prime. 45mm is so awesome Nowdays, I think Leica build the best body but others build better glass $$$$ wise
Not much on the Sigma roadmap so far though... only a 70mm f2.8 macro lens:
https://www.panasonicff.com/updated-sigma-l-mount-lens-roadmap-through-2020-july-2019/
I am waiting for next sigma f2.8 prime. 45mm is so awesome
Nowdays, I think Leica build the best body but others build better glass $$$$ wise Not much on the Sigma roadmap so far though... only a 70mm f2.8 macro lens:
https://www.panasonicff.com/updated-sigma-l-mount-lens-roadmap-through-2020-july-2019/
Jan 15, 2020 at 07:11 PM
p.6 #14Leica SL 2 announced
zhangyue wrote:
https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.now I remember my problem with it was not no flip LCD but how you shoot in portrait mode? Original Hassy was so nice designed with squire format.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.
Also off topic but that's my biggest gripe with the camera.. You cannot shoot portrait mode.
The camera looks cool (I want to buy the MOON EDITION) but it's stupidly designed without a larger square sensor it just misses the mark. I think the Leaf backs or Hy6 cameras or something had a rotating back, too bad Hasselblad couldn't figure out internal rotating sensor.
Though I also won't buy Hasselblad again due to the fact that they treated me very poorly on after sales support.
AndereObjektiv wrote
Ah, but it does flip up:https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.
Also off topic but that's my biggest gripe with the camera.. You cannot shoot portrait mode.
The camera looks cool (I want to buy the MOON EDITION) but it's stupidly designed without a larger square sensor it just misses the mark. I think the Leaf backs or Hy6 cameras or something had a rotating back, too bad Hasselblad couldn't figure out internal rotating sensor.
Though I also won't buy Hasselblad again due to the fact that they treated me very poorly on after sales support.
Jan 15, 2020 at 09:13 PM
p.6 #15Leica SL 2 announced
adamdewilde wrote:
https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.now I remember my problem with it was not no flip LCD but how you shoot in portrait mode? Original Hassy was so nice designed with squire format.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.Also off topic but that's my biggest gripe with the camera.. You cannot shoot portrait mode.
The camera looks cool (I want to buy the MOON EDITION) but it's stupidly designed without a larger square sensor it just misses the mark. I think the Leaf backs or Hy6 cameras or something had a rotating back, too bad Hasselblad couldn't figure out internal rotating sensor.
Though I also won't buy Hasselblad again due to the fact that they treated me very poorly on after sales support.
Easiest way is the camera having a square design with LCD flip both way. This camera is so beautiful and seems very small. Too bad designer didn't think of this fundermental issue in real world.
zhangyue wrote
AndereObjektiv wrote
Ah, but it does flip up:https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.
The camera looks cool (I want to buy the MOON EDITION) but it's stupidly designed without a larger square sensor it just misses the mark. I think the Leaf backs or Hy6 cameras or something had a rotating back, too bad Hasselblad couldn't figure out internal rotating sensor.
Though I also won't buy Hasselblad again due to the fact that they treated me very poorly on after sales support.
Easiest way is the camera having a square design with LCD flip both way. This camera is so beautiful and seems very small. Too bad designer didn't think of this fundermental issue in real world.
Jan 16, 2020 at 11:22 AM
p.6 #16Leica SL 2 announced
zhangyue wrote:
https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.now I remember my problem with it was not no flip LCD but how you shoot in portrait mode? Original Hassy was so nice designed with squire format.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.Also off topic but that's my biggest gripe with the camera.. You cannot shoot portrait mode.
The camera looks cool (I want to buy the MOON EDITION) but it's stupidly designed without a larger square sensor it just misses the mark. I think the Leaf backs or Hy6 cameras or something had a rotating back, too bad Hasselblad couldn't figure out internal rotating sensor.
Though I also won't buy Hasselblad again due to the fact that they treated me very poorly on after sales support.Easiest way is the camera having a square design with LCD flip both way. This camera is so beautiful and seems very small. Too bad designer didn't think of this fundermental issue in real world.
Isn't that what the X1DII is for? I think the 907 is really designed as a bridge for the back which really is designed for the film bodies. If I were to consider a 907 (I'm not) I'd be getting a 503 body or similar to hook it up to and set the ratio to 33x33 and be done with it. Or just get a loupe for the rear screen and do the same thing with XCD lenses. Or even HC lenses with the adaptor.
The back is to get sales from film body shooters and the *camera* is to than get them to invest in XCD lenses, which in turn is a transition to an X1D body.
Hasselblad have also just announced a new *pancake* 45mm f4. Looks to be a replacement for the 45mm 3.5. Smaller, sharper, lighter, cheaper and apparently mechanically linked focus ring. This new lens on the 907, shot square would be a heck of a lot of fun.
In a way the SL system was Leicas way of bridging the old and new (with M, L and S lens compatibility). The 907 is the same in this regard. It's just not the jack of all trades the SL2 is.
Gordon
adamdewilde wrote
zhangyue wrote
AndereObjektiv wrote
Ah, but it does flip up:https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.
The camera looks cool (I want to buy the MOON EDITION) but it's stupidly designed without a larger square sensor it just misses the mark. I think the Leaf backs or Hy6 cameras or something had a rotating back, too bad Hasselblad couldn't figure out internal rotating sensor.
Though I also won't buy Hasselblad again due to the fact that they treated me very poorly on after sales support.
Isn't that what the X1DII is for? I think the 907 is really designed as a bridge for the back which really is designed for the film bodies. If I were to consider a 907 (I'm not) I'd be getting a 503 body or similar to hook it up to and set the ratio to 33x33 and be done with it. Or just get a loupe for the rear screen and do the same thing with XCD lenses. Or even HC lenses with the adaptor.
The back is to get sales from film body shooters and the *camera* is to than get them to invest in XCD lenses, which in turn is a transition to an X1D body.
Hasselblad have also just announced a new *pancake* 45mm f4. Looks to be a replacement for the 45mm 3.5. Smaller, sharper, lighter, cheaper and apparently mechanically linked focus ring. This new lens on the 907, shot square would be a heck of a lot of fun.
In a way the SL system was Leicas way of bridging the old and new (with M, L and S lens compatibility). The 907 is the same in this regard. It's just not the jack of all trades the SL2 is.
Gordon
Jan 16, 2020 at 04:09 PM
p.6 #17Leica SL 2 announced
zhangyue wrote:
Not much missing. The EVF implementation can be better. Especially 100% view is lack sharpness.
I think the EVF is at 200% at max enlargement. That's why it's not sharp at full magnification. The M's are the same.
Gordon
Not much missing. The EVF implementation can be better. Especially 100% view is lack sharpness.
I think the EVF is at 200% at max enlargement. That's why it's not sharp at full magnification. The M's are the same.
Gordon
Jan 16, 2020 at 04:13 PM
p.6 #18Leica SL 2 announced
zhangyue wrote:
https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.now I remember my problem with it was not no flip LCD but how you shoot in portrait mode? Original Hassy was so nice designed with squire format.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.Also off topic but that's my biggest gripe with the camera.. You cannot shoot portrait mode.
The camera looks cool (I want to buy the MOON EDITION) but it's stupidly designed without a larger square sensor it just misses the mark. I think the Leaf backs or Hy6 cameras or something had a rotating back, too bad Hasselblad couldn't figure out internal rotating sensor.
Though I also won't buy Hasselblad again due to the fact that they treated me very poorly on after sales support.Easiest way is the camera having a square design with LCD flip both way. This camera is so beautiful and seems very small. Too bad designer didn't think of this fundermental issue in real world.
I think the whole company is just filled with a bunch of designer type guys sitting around sketching things out with a pencil and paper. Then they just hand off the design to someone and later assemble the parts so they can say "made in Sweden"
adamdewilde wrote
zhangyue wrote
AndereObjektiv wrote
Ah, but it does flip up:https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.
The camera looks cool (I want to buy the MOON EDITION) but it's stupidly designed without a larger square sensor it just misses the mark. I think the Leaf backs or Hy6 cameras or something had a rotating back, too bad Hasselblad couldn't figure out internal rotating sensor.
Though I also won't buy Hasselblad again due to the fact that they treated me very poorly on after sales support.
I think the whole company is just filled with a bunch of designer type guys sitting around sketching things out with a pencil and paper. Then they just hand off the design to someone and later assemble the parts so they can say "made in Sweden"
Jan 17, 2020 at 03:33 AM
p.6 #19Leica SL 2 announced
flash wrote:
https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.now I remember my problem with it was not no flip LCD but how you shoot in portrait mode? Original Hassy was so nice designed with squire format.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.Also off topic but that's my biggest gripe with the camera.. You cannot shoot portrait mode.
The camera looks cool (I want to buy the MOON EDITION) but it's stupidly designed without a larger square sensor it just misses the mark. I think the Leaf backs or Hy6 cameras or something had a rotating back, too bad Hasselblad couldn't figure out internal rotating sensor.
Though I also won't buy Hasselblad again due to the fact that they treated me very poorly on after sales support.Easiest way is the camera having a square design with LCD flip both way. This camera is so beautiful and seems very small. Too bad designer didn't think of this fundermental issue in real world.Isn't that what the X1DII is for? I think the 907 is really designed as a bridge for the back which really is designed for the film bodies. If I were to consider a 907 (I'm not) I'd be getting a 503 body or similar to hook it up to and set the ratio to 33x33 and be done with it. Or just get a loupe for the rear screen and do the same thing with XCD lenses. Or even HC lenses with the adaptor.
The back is to get sales from film body shooters and the *camera* is to than...Show more →
Yes and that would be fantastic if they had actually made a square sensor that fit the max image circle of the XCD lenses. I wouldn't have even minded the one way (only up) tilting screen.
I still have the X1D Black - I might get the little 45P looks pretty fun for what it is/and the price.
zhangyue wrote
adamdewilde wrote
zhangyue wrote
AndereObjektiv wrote
Ah, but it does flip up:https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.
The camera looks cool (I want to buy the MOON EDITION) but it's stupidly designed without a larger square sensor it just misses the mark. I think the Leaf backs or Hy6 cameras or something had a rotating back, too bad Hasselblad couldn't figure out internal rotating sensor.
Though I also won't buy Hasselblad again due to the fact that they treated me very poorly on after sales support.
The back is to get sales from film body shooters and the *camera* is to than...Show more →
Yes and that would be fantastic if they had actually made a square sensor that fit the max image circle of the XCD lenses. I wouldn't have even minded the one way (only up) tilting screen.
I still have the X1D Black - I might get the little 45P looks pretty fun for what it is/and the price.
Jan 17, 2020 at 03:37 AM
p.6 #20Leica SL 2 announced
flash wrote:
https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.now I remember my problem with it was not no flip LCD but how you shoot in portrait mode? Original Hassy was so nice designed with squire format.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.Also off topic but that's my biggest gripe with the camera.. You cannot shoot portrait mode.
The camera looks cool (I want to buy the MOON EDITION) but it's stupidly designed without a larger square sensor it just misses the mark. I think the Leaf backs or Hy6 cameras or something had a rotating back, too bad Hasselblad couldn't figure out internal rotating sensor.
Though I also won't buy Hasselblad again due to the fact that they treated me very poorly on after sales support.Easiest way is the camera having a square design with LCD flip both way. This camera is so beautiful and seems very small. Too bad designer didn't think of this fundermental issue in real world.Isn't that what the X1DII is for? I think the 907 is really designed as a bridge for the back which really is designed for the film bodies. If I were to consider a 907 (I'm not) I'd be getting a 503 body or similar to hook it up to and set the ratio to 33x33 and be done with it. Or just get a loupe for the rear screen and do the same thing with XCD lenses. Or even HC lenses with the adaptor.
The back is to get sales from film body shooters and the *camera* is to than...Show more →
Yes, but this 907 is only one I am interested and if it is a square sensor I’d be seriously consider it. And it might have potential to get me order X1Dx as well. I certainly will enjoy shooting 1X1 but not for everything. And if I do portrait format (30~50%) without awkward holding I am at 33X22 which is smaller than FF, WTF?
I really do like its design but did they ever think about how much sell they lose because of this fundamental design issue. This is a serious weakness.
That 45mm is awesome and remind me of Sigma 45mm. Very similar design diagram actually and with real focus ring. Everyone now get it but not Leica.
Edited on Jan 17, 2020 at 12:43 PM · View previous versions
zhangyue wrote
adamdewilde wrote
zhangyue wrote
AndereObjektiv wrote
Ah, but it does flip up:https://www.hasselblad.com/press/media-library/
Alas, not down for high tripod use.
At minimal, it should allow flip up in portrait mode. Anyway, I love its design and like the fact the back can be put on 500 series as well.
Off topic.
The camera looks cool (I want to buy the MOON EDITION) but it's stupidly designed without a larger square sensor it just misses the mark. I think the Leaf backs or Hy6 cameras or something had a rotating back, too bad Hasselblad couldn't figure out internal rotating sensor.
Though I also won't buy Hasselblad again due to the fact that they treated me very poorly on after sales support.
The back is to get sales from film body shooters and the *camera* is to than...Show more →
Yes, but this 907 is only one I am interested and if it is a square sensor I’d be seriously consider it. And it might have potential to get me order X1Dx as well. I certainly will enjoy shooting 1X1 but not for everything. And if I do portrait format (30~50%) without awkward holding I am at 33X22 which is smaller than FF, WTF?
I really do like its design but did they ever think about how much sell they lose because of this fundamental design issue. This is a serious weakness.
That 45mm is awesome and remind me of Sigma 45mm. Very similar design diagram actually and with real focus ring. Everyone now get it but not Leica.
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Jan 17, 2020 at 12:25 PM