True
Add that the 85s is the only Nikon 85 that will work on the Z7 IMO, due to resolution requirements.
zhangyue wrote:
For more blur, portrait centric and hybrid user with F and Z, 1.4g is still wonderful performer.
For a short tele-photo can do everything from portrait to landscape, travel and for anyone bothered by all kinds of CA (especially bokeh fringing) and most importantly for Z only users, choose 1.8S.
At this size, weight, performance and price, it hard for me to choose any Nikon 85mm over this one, actually any 85mm over this one. your millage may vary, it is really personal.
It is amazing as a portrait photographer that we have so many choices now! I still have the 85/1.4G, 85/1.8G and 105E and will acquire the 85/1.8S once I decide between the Z6 or Z7.
What are you looking for in a camera? I recently switched to the Z7 but it hasn’t been straight forward and I’ve got a nagging thought to go back to a Z6. The 6 is a better all arounder and gets out of the way better. The 7 is phenomenal at low ISO but requires more care, not just with shake/resolution but also exposure etc.
Back to the 85, anyone have a thought about availability of the 85? Doesn’t seem to be heavily stocked but don’t seem to be a ton of users yet? Thinking of adding one, want a smaller short tele.
charles.K wrote:
It is amazing as a portrait photographer that we have so many choices now! I still have the 85/1.4G, 85/1.8G and 105E and will acquire the 85/1.8S once I decide between the Z6 or Z7.
Mathieu18 wrote:
What are you looking for in a camera? I recently switched to the Z7 but it hasn’t been straight forward and I’ve got a nagging thought to go back to a Z6. The 6 is a better all arounder and gets out of the way better. The 7 is phenomenal at low ISO but requires more care, not just with shake/resolution but also exposure etc.
Back to the 85, anyone have a thought about availability of the 85? Doesn’t seem to be heavily stocked but don’t seem to be a ton of users yet? Thinking of adding one, want a smaller short tele.
My thinking is to keep the D850 and go for the Z6 alongside... best of both worlds. I still love my 28E, 58G, 105E and 70-200E so the D850 is a no brainer to keep for now.
charles.K wrote:
It is amazing as a portrait photographer that we have so many choices now! I still have the 85/1.4G, 85/1.8G and 105E and will acquire the 85/1.8S once I decide between the Z6 or Z7.
charles.K wrote:
It is amazing as a portrait photographer that we have so many choices now! I still have the 85/1.4G, 85/1.8G and 105E and will acquire the 85/1.8S once I decide between the Z6 or Z7.
I think 105E is still winning bokeh quantity but after 1.8S I doubt you want two 85F glasses.
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Mathieu18 wrote:
What are you looking for in a camera? I recently switched to the Z7 but it hasn’t been straight forward and I’ve got a nagging thought to go back to a Z6. The 6 is a better all arounder and gets out of the way better. The 7 is phenomenal at low ISO but requires more care, not just with shake/resolution but also exposure etc.
Back to the 85, anyone have a thought about availability of the 85? Doesn’t seem to be heavily stocked but don’t seem to be a ton of users yet? Thinking of adding one, want a smaller short tele.
If you have doubt in mind, you should change it otherwise it might always bother you to think I should have better XYZ from Z6 For me, with sRAW/mRAW, I don't miss a single bit of Z6 especially for landscape and bird for reaching.
This lens is a instant classic in my book. You made a mistake not pre-order it However, so far, we don't have any shortage on Nikon Z glasses either due to slow ramp up or they are well prepared for production. Just a little bit more patience maybe.
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charles.K wrote:
My thinking is to keep the D850 and go for the Z6 alongside... best of both worlds. I still love my 28E, 58G, 105E and 70-200E so the D850 is a no brainer to keep for now.
I will definitely go Z7 personally or soon Z8
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Hardcore wrote:
Wait for the z8
if it is 16 bit 60M with s/mRAW and compressed RAW. reported here with performance like this 85S, I think it is a game over for many Medium Format digital. I am more excited for 16 bit than resolution. I know many ditch 16 bit by claiming no point for extra 2 bit for camera DR less than 14 bit, well, until you process some true 16 bit file to feel it is all I have to say.
A few more with 85mm in forest, my favorite subject while I am not traveling and my perfect test vehicle to find any problem that lens may have.
All WO here with minimal process, the color, clarity and bokeh just wonderful. My favorite S lens so far.
Bokeh comparison Nikkor 85mm f/1.8 S and Zeiss Milvus 1.4/85mm. I consider the Milvus bokeh bold, while the Nikkor S bokeh is more timid. I assume that the larger front element of the f/1.4 Milvus lens (77mm vs. 67mm) is one of the main factors in the different bokeh characteristics.
The exposure of the Nikkor S is raised by 0.83 EV relative to the Zeiss Milvus. I assume that the difference in transmission between these two lenses is smaller, and that the Nikkor S shows an effect that I would characterize as "bokeh vignetting", for lack of a better term.
zhangyue wrote:
Possible, I don't have experience with 85 milvus. I had OTUS briefly. The size difference is so huge to compare these. However, this 85S might be my favorite 85mm lens call It climbs quickly. I don't expect sharp lens like this have this kind of transition and bokeh. You call it timid, I call it perfection The combination of color and flare resistance that keep clarity and fidelity under backlight is very impressive. The lens see better than my eyes under strong back light, try it.
I only wish it is a lens with real focus ring. The focus transition is free of problem, especially at close distance shallow DOF portrait (double edge or LoCA) very rare I have seen so far. You have to count my word here as I don't want post family portrait to illustrate this. The closest lens I can think of is Sigma 135Art but that one is also a monster and don't have the same back light performance.
I don't want over praise it and will stop here from now on. Let's just say it is personal
Some random shots around home for people who want get a feeling themselves about the lens.
I'm liking the Z better, feels smoother, seems to be less LoCA in the Z. That said Bokeh preference can be subjective.
AcuteShadows wrote:
Bokeh comparison Nikkor 85mm f/1.8 S and Zeiss Milvus 1.4/85mm. I consider the Milvus bokeh bold, while the Nikkor S bokeh is more timid. I assume that the larger front element of the f/1.4 Milvus lens (77mm vs. 67mm) is one of the main factors in the different bokeh characteristics.
Yes, the Milvus has a bit of LoCA, Nikkor S has virtually none. But I clearly see the Milvus bokeh as smoother than the Nikkor S bokeh - for example, the vertical lines on the left side of the picture. As you feel the Nikkor S bokeh is smoother, I would be interested in what your criteria are, and which parts of the picture would show the Nikkor S as smoother. While overall taste of bokeh clearly differs, and will continue to do so, it should be possible to find a common language in describing at least some the aspects of bokeh.
Mathieu18 wrote:
I'm liking the Z better, feels smoother, seems to be less LoCA in the Z. That said Bokeh preference can be subjective.
The Milvus is definitely giving more “spread” to the bokeh in this comparison. I think both look great and I personally wouldn’t notice a difference if they weren’t side-by-side.
You definitely need present a few more case and distance to get a balanced view regarding lenses. Not to say which is better but we can’t draw conclusion based on this set of images yet
My comment is based on experience now and I don’t have time like Fred did in Sony forum ( huge effort in time and big valuable resource to Sony users) to illustrate any point I made, you guys just have to either trust or not trust me and I really don’t mind either way
AcuteShadows wrote:
Yes, the Milvus has a bit of LoCA, Nikkor S has virtually none. But I clearly see the Milvus bokeh as smoother than the Nikkor S bokeh - for example, the vertical lines on the left side of the picture. As you feel the Nikkor S bokeh is smoother, I would be interested in what your criteria are, and which parts of the picture would show the Nikkor S as smoother. While overall taste of bokeh clearly differs, and will continue to do so, it should be possible to find a common language in describing at least some the aspects of bokeh.
Mathieu18 wrote:
What are you looking for in a camera? I recently switched to the Z7 but it hasn’t been straight forward and I’ve got a nagging thought to go back to a Z6. The 6 is a better all arounder and gets out of the way better. The 7 is phenomenal at low ISO but requires more care, not just with shake/resolution but also exposure etc.
Back to the 85, anyone have a thought about availability of the 85? Doesn’t seem to be heavily stocked but don’t seem to be a ton of users yet? Thinking of adding one, want a smaller short tele.
you still think there is more pliability in the Z6 files vs. Z7?
I am somewhat surprised the 85mm 1.8s is not stocked yet at big stores.
That tells me that they are not making too many of the "new things".
This is happening with Sony a lot too, 135mm, 24mm, etc.
so perhaps it's not a cash flow issue.
perhaps it's the Don and that trade war
OEM are not willing to put as much on the water, thinking that the war will soon be over, and the tariffs will be relaxed.
Yea, it's tough to separate them TBH. The two low windows for one, to me there's more outlining on the Milvus shot. But then the roof of the Milvus looks a little smoother. I do think the Milvus has lower contrast bokeh which is generally a plus. I'll agree you're seeing more of the detail on the top left post of sorts coming out of the room, I guess I discounted that some chalked up to "less" bokeh from the smaller max aperture.
AcuteShadows wrote:
Yes, the Milvus has a bit of LoCA, Nikkor S has virtually none. But I clearly see the Milvus bokeh as smoother than the Nikkor S bokeh - for example, the vertical lines on the left side of the picture. As you feel the Nikkor S bokeh is smoother, I would be interested in what your criteria are, and which parts of the picture would show the Nikkor S as smoother. While overall taste of bokeh clearly differs, and will continue to do so, it should be possible to find a common language in describing at least some the aspects of bokeh.
Re: Z6/Z7, I do. Just posted in the Z Images thread too, I love the detail and richness of the Z7 with a static subject at ISO64, but above that I care for it less, and even at ISO64 I seem to have trouble. Maybe I just got lucky with how I had the Z6 dialed in but have tried to replicate the settings on the Z7 and I'm missing the magic. Either they're flatter than I want or they're way to contrasty. The Z6 just always looked close SOOC.
Re: Stock, it could be. They'll want to import a minimum amount of product subject to tariffs as possible. if they think it'll end they'll pad their bottom line if they can keep selling at $798 but pocket whatever that tariff is. It's certainly not encouraging any extra production...
Dj R wrote:
you still think there is more pliability in the Z6 files vs. Z7?
I am somewhat surprised the 85mm 1.8s is not stocked yet at big stores.
That tells me that they are not making too many of the "new things".
This is happening with Sony a lot too, 135mm, 24mm, etc.
so perhaps it's not a cash flow issue.
perhaps it's the Don and that trade war
OEM are not willing to put as much on the water, thinking that the war will soon be over, and the tariffs will be relaxed.
Mathieu18 wrote:
Re: Z6/Z7, I do. Just posted in the Z Images thread too, I love the detail and richness of the Z7 with a static subject at ISO64, but above that I care for it less, and even at ISO64 I seem to have trouble. Maybe I just got lucky with how I had the Z6 dialed in but have tried to replicate the settings on the Z7 and I'm missing the magic. Either they're flatter than I want or they're way to contrasty. The Z6 just always looked close SOOC.
Re: Stock, it could be. They'll want to import a minimum amount of product subject to tariffs as possible. if they think it'll end they'll pad their bottom line if they can keep selling at $798 but pocket whatever that tariff is. It's certainly not encouraging any extra production...
interesting
I believe you. you have a good eye for sure. I have just been motoring through edit sessions and haven't had much play time.
now you have me questioning which body to assign 35/85 for a wedding this weekend.
may do z7 85 for static portrait and snipes.
and z6 24-70s2.8 or 35/50 for times when there may be action
Look, trust your eye too, you are putting out good product and your clients are happy so don't listen to us! I do think the difference in ISO latitude is significant. Based on samples I saw I wasn't worried but in real use I'm less satisfied. So keep the Z6 for when you'll need faster shutter or faster AF, so sounds like your plan is a good one.
Dj R wrote:
interesting
I believe you. you have a good eye for sure. I have just been motoring through edit sessions and haven't had much play time.
now you have me questioning which body to assign 35/85 for a wedding this weekend.
may do z7 85 for static portrait and snipes.
and z6 24-70s2.8 or 35/50 for times when there may be action
I know that more images would be needed if I would want to write a valid review comparison of both lenses. From memory, I recall pictures in which the difference was larger than in this one. Specular highlights in the bokeh, especially. But I don't have these anymore, unfortunately. So with these two pictures, the main purpose is to point out one aspect of the bokeh rendition that users may want to look for, and to compare this with their own experience. I bought the Nikkor 85mm f/1.8 S because it is indeed an exceptional lens, to be sure.
zhangyue wrote:
You definitely need present a few more case and distance to get a balanced view regarding lenses. Not to say which is better but we can’t draw conclusion based on this set of images yet
My comment is based on experience now and I don’t have time like Fred did in Sony forum ( huge effort in time and big valuable resource to Sony users) to illustrate any point I made, you guys just have to either trust or not trust me and I really don’t mind either way
