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p.1 #1 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


I just got the 24-240 and already based on the posted raw photos on DPR I knew it would be great, but I'm very happy with it. It will be my new point & shoot on the R; it's vastly better than the 28-300 that it replaces in my drawer, and better than pretty much anything I had in my collection in 2003 when I got the 1DS.

Given that I just got the RX100v7, there's a definite difference between the "true" P&S and this baby. For people who don't mind the slightly bigger bulk definitely a worthwhile "update".

Because I have to decide what bodies and lenses to take to Antarctica next month I will do some more scientific shooting between the 5DSR and 24-70m2 vs. R and RF24-105L, to see if better glass on a less resolving sensor is that much worse than not so good glass on the highest resolution sensor. I'll throw in the 24-240 into the comparison just for giggles. I'm wondering what other people's experience is with this lens.



Sep 04, 2019 at 08:09 PM
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p.1 #2 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


Stan congrats on your latest acquisition


Sep 04, 2019 at 08:12 PM
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p.1 #3 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


Congrats, glad to hear it is an excellent lens. Especially considering the massive zoom range


Sep 04, 2019 at 10:36 PM
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I haven't purchased the 24-240 yet but I'm very interested in the lens. Curious to see how it compares to the RF 24-105L in image quality and rendering. Paired with the RF 35mm, the 24-240mm is the perfect vacation lens.

I also have the M50 and 18-150mm lens which would be an interesting comparison as well.



Sep 05, 2019 at 10:32 AM
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p.1 #5 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


If you end up taking the 24-240 to Antarctica I'll be curious to see how it performs for you.


Sep 05, 2019 at 02:46 PM
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p.1 #6 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


jeraldcook wrote:
I haven't purchased the 24-240 yet but I'm very interested in the lens. Curious to see how it compares to the RF 24-105L in image quality and rendering. Paired with the RF 35mm, the 24-240mm is the perfect vacation lens.


The color rendering is a bit weird, to be honest - I feel that all recent EF L lenses have a certain color & look, the new RF lenses have a more subdued color, and the 24-240 is a hint more green and less saturated. Nothing you can't fix. The strangest thing is the mind boggling degree of vignetting at 24mm, which renders the corners fundamentally black in ways I've never seen before. LR fixes it well, but there's only so much miracles that you can do.

The center sharpness is fine but it falls off across the frame, the way I would expect with most EF lenses, and in a way that the RF lenses don't.

Once I have some comparison with the RF 24-105L I'll post it.



Sep 05, 2019 at 03:41 PM
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stanj wrote:
The color rendering is a bit weird, to be honest - I feel that all recent EF L lenses have a certain color & look, the new RF lenses have a more subdued color, and the 24-240 is a hint more green and less saturated. Nothing you can't fix. The strangest thing is the mind boggling degree of vignetting at 24mm, which renders the corners fundamentally black in ways I've never seen before. LR fixes it well, but there's only so much miracles that you can do.

The center sharpness is fine but it falls off across the frame, the way
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Does vignetting settle when stopped down as well? I'm pretty happy with the 24-105 but if this guy is pretty good at f9 I'd consider it for my travel kit. I've been pleasantly surprised by the 24-105 on the wide end. Not *quite* as good as the 16-35 f4 but more competitive than expected.

On the other hand the 24-105 + EF-S 55-250 is a pretty compelling package for similar cost with the obvious caveat that the 55-250 only covers the APS-C area.



Sep 05, 2019 at 03:54 PM
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mb126 wrote:
Does vignetting settle when stopped down as well?


Not really. This is at f8 without lens correction. More testing is needed.







Sep 06, 2019 at 12:12 AM
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p.1 #9 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


That is totally normal for many modern WA lenses w/o correction.


Sep 06, 2019 at 12:28 AM
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p.1 #10 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


Please tell me you have a filter on the lens... That's horrible.

stanj wrote:
Not really. This is at f8 without lens correction. More testing is needed.




Sep 06, 2019 at 12:29 AM
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Something is very wrong if you are getting that "vignetting" with the lens. It looks like something (filter? step down ring? hood mounted incorrectly?) is interfering at the edges and corners.

That cannot possibly be right.



Sep 06, 2019 at 01:09 AM
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p.1 #12 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


gdanmitchell wrote:
Something is very wrong if you are getting that "vignetting" with the lens. It looks like something (filter? step down ring? hood mounted incorrectly?) is interfering at the edges and corners.

That cannot possibly be right.


Nope. The lens vignettes VERY hard at 24mm because it assumes there will be strong distortion corrections applied. Canon is just copying Sony in regards to "faking" the wide end in order to simplify the lens or make it smaller.

I just downloaded the DPR samples at 24mm and they have the same hard vignetting.

What really makes me mad about this nonsense is that Canon is selling people a lens that crops the sensor at 24mm. You are not using a FF lens at 24mm, and I think not making that fact very clear is very dishonest. Consumers won't care, but it's a dirty trick, especially for a company we all know can produce some incredible optical designs that do not crop the sensor at certain focal lengths.

Edited on Sep 06, 2019 at 01:26 AM · View previous versions



Sep 06, 2019 at 01:23 AM
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p.1 #13 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


gdanmitchell wrote:
Something is very wrong if you are getting that "vignetting" with the lens. It looks like something (filter? step down ring? hood mounted incorrectly?) is interfering at the edges and corners.

That cannot possibly be right.


My guess is that the hard vignetting is corrected by the distortion correction. This behaviour is very common among compact cameras. If you look at an uncorrected raw file from say a Canon G7X in an independent raw converter, you will see the same, but much more pronounced.The uncorrected field of view at the wide end is also wider than the focal length suggests.



Sep 06, 2019 at 01:26 AM
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p.1 #14 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


It is 24mm after cropping. So there is nothing wrong. The lens is meant with distortion correction applied.


Sep 06, 2019 at 02:56 AM
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Nielk Mike wrote:
It is 24mm after cropping. So there is nothing wrong. The lens is meant with distortion correction applied.


Other than that you don't get the full sensor resolution. Which isn't that critical with this lens class. And with a higher resolution sensor to start with, it will become trivial.



Sep 06, 2019 at 03:00 AM
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p.1 #16 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


Ouch. Canon going the way of olympussying the images :-(


Sep 06, 2019 at 05:45 AM
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p.1 #17 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


that vignetting is craz-eh... I'd say stick with tried and tested 24-70 and 70-200 combo...


Sep 06, 2019 at 05:51 AM
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p.1 #18 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


Milan Hutera wrote:
that vignetting is craz-eh... I'd say stick with tried and tested 24-70 and 70-200 combo...


Sure - or stay with a range of primes to get best possible IQ. :-) This is an all-in-one lens meant to appeal to people who want to travel light but like to have the full range from wide to tele. I have tried it at Photo Leistenschneider in Berlin and it feels good on the camera. IQ will be a compromise (to no surprise). But if it performs as well as Sony's 18135 for APS-C, it is worth the money. Correcting distortion with a profile saves cost and weight. Sony and other companies do it. The FE24105/4 is only one example. And that is a very good lens.



Sep 06, 2019 at 06:22 AM
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p.1 #19 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


stanj wrote:
Not really. This is at f8 without lens correction. More testing is needed.


DID you download the new firmware 1.3.0 for the R which is related to the 24-240??

It probably solves the problem.




Sep 06, 2019 at 06:30 AM
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p.1 #20 · The 24-240 kicks you know what


August 7, 2019
Firmware changes:
Firmware Version 1.3.0 incorporates the following enhancement:
1. Support for the RF24-240mm F4-6.3 IS USM lens has been added.



Sep 06, 2019 at 06:34 AM
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