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.Fred Miranda wrote:
That was not intentional and the diagonal angle is not silly. It's deliberate and that's how I test my lenses at infinity distance in order to gauge how they perform at center, mid-zone and extreme edges. Here is the resized full image.


Many pardons. I did not intend to give offense. I suppose I was trying to point out that it did appear deliberate and NOT silly, as in accidental. I assumed it might have been an attempt to exaggerate moire or diagonal lines of contrast.



Feb 12, 2019 at 05:07 PM
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p.3 #2 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA


I only get a completely black result as well. Windows 10 with graphics processor and 64GB memory.


Feb 12, 2019 at 05:17 PM
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p.3 #3 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA


No worries! I didn’t know what to expect from this new feature but I am happy with the results so far.

amacal1 wrote:
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Many pardons. I did not intend to give offense. I suppose I was trying to point out that it did appear deliberate and NOT silly, as in accidental. I assumed it might have been an attempt to exaggerate moire or diagonal lines of contrast.




Feb 12, 2019 at 05:37 PM
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p.3 #4 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA


It seems to be happening with the Windows version.

Abuttolph wrote:
I only get a completely black result as well. Windows 10 with graphics processor and 64GB memory.




Feb 12, 2019 at 05:38 PM
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p.3 #5 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA


Fred Miranda wrote:
It seems to be happening with the Windows version.



Yes - hopefully Adobe will track down the problem soon and get it fixed. It looks like a really nice feature.



Feb 12, 2019 at 05:52 PM
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p.3 #6 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA


I've been playing with Enhance Detail today. I think its main effect is to lessen artifacts. I think the perception of increased sharpness is sort of a side-effect of losing some artifacts. (Detail is clearer?) For me, the biggest improvement is in wiping out a bunch of fine moire and false detail. Not so good for bigger bands of moire. Enhance Detail also seems to very slightly lessen ringing artifacts. Not much effect on stair-stepping. Overall, it's slightly superior de-mosaicing; I'll definitely use it at times.

I've been experimenting mostly with files I already worked on in ACR, with lots of existing changes, including BW filtration. All my files are made from uncompressed ARW files. (82 MB) The DNG files are all up around 200 MB. I have a fast processor and lots of RAM on my Mac, but do not have a super graphics card. I don't think that's critical. Pretty much all the processing of the Enhance Detail dng files is taking 45 seconds. I wouldn't buy an external graphics processor for this. But maybe if you do a lot of batch processing....

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Feb 12, 2019 at 06:20 PM
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Adobe would do anything to get those of us to give up on our classic version of LR )

While there is some improvement it may be very slight for standard compositions. I think a similar improvement may be obtained using some of the PS tools like smart sharpen.



Feb 12, 2019 at 06:25 PM
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pdmphoto wrote:
Adobe would do anything to get those of us to give up on our classic version of LR )


Which explains why I gave mine up ... for C1. Saving as DNGs? 15 sec plus single image process time? Not what I really wanted.




Feb 12, 2019 at 06:32 PM
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680 is a 7 year old card, wouldn't shock me if it's not supported.

Works just peachy for me, but I'm seeing a lot of false color being added to my image, almost as if it's looking at neighbor pixels and running averages or something. You can see it's adding in a LOT of extra orange/brown tones on top of normally grey tones in my RAW along hard edges...not a desirable outcome This is on a Fuji RAF file.




Feb 12, 2019 at 07:24 PM
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Well, unless my release that I downloaded a few days ago is faulty, we can forget about using this feature on anything other than the original raw files. I just tried it on a 3 frame blended DNG file and got an error message saying "Unsupported photo". I then tried it on a TIFF file and got the same message.

I can't imagine spending all this extra time on each individual frame of a 6 frame pano prior to stitching or even a 3 individual frames to then blend for an HDR.

I have noticed with several different types of images (birds, landscapes, cityscapes) now that this feature as zero effect on the raw file if you have not already applied some amount of sharpening. At least with my several trials using LR CC so far. So this means that it is only designed to fix artifacts as a previous poster mentioned.

But, at least I can see a tiny bit of improvement now running it through AFTER applying some sharpening. But man, you really have to be pixel peeping at 1:1 to see it. Even then you have to look back and forth between the original and the enhanced.

BTW, I'm running on Win10 with i5-4690k and 24 GB ram. Estimated times were roughly 35 seconds and most took about that long maybe a little less. Looks like the files jump in size by roughly 3.5 percent on average. Original CR2=27.3MB vs Enhanced DNG=94.3MB

Anyone else able to run this on a DNG file?



Feb 12, 2019 at 07:49 PM
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lighthound wrote:
Well, unless my release that I downloaded a few days ago is faulty, we can forget about using this feature on anything other than the original raw files. I just tried it on a 3 frame blended DNG file and got an error message saying "Unsupported photo". I then tried it on a TIFF file and got the same message.

I can't imagine spending all this extra time on each individual frame of a 6 frame pano prior to stitching or even a 3 individual frames to then blend for an HDR.

I have noticed with several different types of images (birds,
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I can see how it might matter on an HDR, but with a pano you have pixels to spare anyhow so surely you don’t need it...




Feb 12, 2019 at 07:57 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
680 is a 7 year old card, wouldn't shock me if it's not supported.

Works just peachy for me, but I'm seeing a lot of false color being added to my image, almost as if it's looking at neighbor pixels and running averages or something. You can see it's adding in a LOT of extra orange/brown tones on top of normally grey tones in my RAW along hard edges...not a desirable outcome This is on a Fuji RAF file.


What I've seen, beyond artifact reduction, is more color detail coming through. Less smearing of color. That may account for previously unseen flaws making their way through. I've also noticed some color casts on lifted shadows being corrected.



Feb 12, 2019 at 10:28 PM
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Maybe its the smaller phone screen but I'm not really seeing anything, and actually picked the non enhanced as sharper at least once.

I shoot Canon, and I haven't tested on a lot of images, but I seemed to be getting more sharpness out of DPP than DxO. So trying a different RAW processor, especially if there's a Sony one, is a good idea.

Also, default NR and other settings can have a HUGE effect on sharpness on DPP, and I'd think others as well. Be sure to check those.



Feb 12, 2019 at 11:03 PM
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I just checked the image sizes and when using "Enhance Details", the compressed RAW file goes from ~43MB to about 190MB so more than quadruples in size!
So, It's not something I will use all the time, perhaps only for my landscape keepers.

I will test starting with an uncompressed raw. (~85MB)



Feb 12, 2019 at 11:15 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
I just checked the image sizes and when using "Enhance Details", the compressed RAW file goes from ~43MB to about 190MB so more than quadruples in size!
So, It's not something I will use all the time, perhaps only for my landscape keepers.

I will test starting with an uncompressed raw. (~85MB)


I wonder how it compares to upsampling to 4x area (2x pixels on both length & height.)



Feb 12, 2019 at 11:38 PM
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I spent much of the afternoon trying the new Adobe enhance. On one photo, a wolf moving through winter grasses and snow, was made with a 6 MP Canon 10D and 400/2.8L IS and 2x. I had to crop it to about 4 MP to make a composition, center focusing point being what it was.

Enhance helped make a bigger potential print here. I feel like I could go to 24x36, and I am an experienced print maker and print seller, and have a salable result. Fur and eyes were just a enough better, noise was a bit lower and I believe part of that was due to enhance. Of course, what I was doing previously would get me a 20x30.

A couple of other photographs, seemingly similar, did not appear to have derived any great benefit from using enhance. I am not sure, at this point, why one would have worked better than the other.

What I am sure about is Adobe really could stand to improve some of the basics of their godforsaken software. Why can we not have a decent, intuitive file system. If Photoshop can show us thumbnails of recent work, even if the save is over 2 gigs, than why cannot Bridge show us thumbnails of the same images, even when they are over two gigs. Having that would make finding an image to work with would be easier. Much, much easier and save an hour or two a week. Or more, for some.

Why cannot Adobe take some time, say the next 2 or 3 years, to fix all of the things which work so poorly, such as save. Why should a save, with 4G plus multicore processors, take minutes? Why not be able to set a brush to black or white, then go to setting diameter or softness, and then go back to work on the image and still have a brush set, or the color set to the original tone. Why does brush need to mysteriously change to something like clone.

I keep spending money on the up-and-comers, but find none of them have delivered a product worth working with. And I have 25 years of working with PS invested, plus all of the money on upgrades and subscriptions. I used to be able to hack into PS and make changes. It is too complex anymore to do so for me. I am only a solo photographer in suburban MT, on my own, not a software engineer.

Damn, but I wish Adobe would quit trying to make some fancy sounding, marketing pleasing "upgrades" and make some real upgrades which actually helped those of us trying to make some decent work in a timely fashion without wasting hours of hour time in front of a computer. I would much rather spend my remaining time looking for some good light, a good subject and trying to talk my wife into believing I am worth my weight in 600/4 L iii's.

Rant over. This was a bad day dealing with PS. But there are too many bad days. There are times I wish there were some class action lawyer type gunning for Adobe for taking all of our money so much of these past years and delivering so little. And, yet, we have no other choice but to dance with the girl that brung us.




Feb 12, 2019 at 11:48 PM
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p.3 #17 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA


RoamingScott wrote:
I’m far more interested in this for Fuji files with foliage then Sony files!


I tried this on couple images I had taken with the X-T2 & XF 90mm when I still had Fuji. Seems that the "enhanced" image can be sharpened without the dreaded "worms" (that appear if you push the detail and amount sliders to higher values at the same time) and the sharpening sliders work more like they do with bayer sensor images. I see clear improvements and I see this as a great option to improve the "keepers" just as Fred said. But just like with sony, the resulting DNG is also more than 100 megabytes in size.



Feb 13, 2019 at 02:12 AM
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lighthound wrote:
Well, unless my release that I downloaded a few days ago is faulty, we can forget about using this feature on anything other than the original raw files. I just tried it on a 3 frame blended DNG file and got an error message saying "Unsupported photo". I then tried it on a TIFF file and got the same message.


What in "it's a different demosaicing process" don't you understand that you even try?



Feb 13, 2019 at 02:57 AM
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lighthound wrote:
Well, unless my release that I downloaded a few days ago is faulty, we can forget about using this feature on anything other than the original raw files. I just tried it on a 3 frame blended DNG file and got an error message saying "Unsupported photo". I then tried it on a TIFF file and got the same message.

I can't imagine spending all this extra time on each individual frame of a 6 frame pano prior to stitching or even a 3 individual frames to then blend for an HDR.

I have noticed with several different types of images (birds,
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It's not faulty. This is exactly how Adobe describe it in their release notes (ie RAW only, no JPG/TIFF but also not for DNGs from merge or pano).



Feb 13, 2019 at 05:43 AM
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p.3 #20 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA


Fred Miranda wrote:
Lightroom gives me 20 sec. estimate time but on my Mac Pro, the real time is about 12-15s depending on the image:


Hi Fred
I use the BlackMagic eGPU 580 with my 2018 MBP. Since this new Enhance Details feature is supposed to use the GPU, I am curious to compare Enhance Details time estimate with the numbers you listed with your MBP but I don't see any Estimated Time message when I run the process. Is there some menu setting to turn time estimate on/off?

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