p.5 #1 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
DavidBM wrote:
I’m guessing that the pixel density of a 5k screen is too high to see the benefit at 1:1, and maybe the interpolating to get 2:1 undoes the benefit. Which tells us that there are few real situations in which the benefit is noticeable.
Confirmed. Tested with a 1080p Dell Monitor and now I can see the detail enhancements.
p.5 #2 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
LBJ2 wrote:
Confirmed. Tested with a 1080p Dell Monitor and now I can see the detail enhancements.
Thanks.
What this reminds us of is that as photographers, rather than photo gear enthusiasts, 1:1 on a normal pixel density monitor is not a guide to how an image will look in any usual setting. The pixel density of a 5k screen gives a good idea of how an image will look printed (or displayed on a large monitor) to the biggest size that makes a lot of sense (or indeed that most of us are likely to encounter). So in terms of resolution, much of what we have is more than we need (and many of the enhancements we are getting iike this one, and pixel shift, are of limited photographic value.
Of course testing at 1;1 is a great way to drill in on how things are performing, but when I do I try to remind myself that small differences at 1:1 on a standard density monitor will be no difference in all but the most extreme circumstances (like staring at a billboard from a metre away)
p.5 #3 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
DavidBM wrote:
Thanks.
What this reminds us of is that as photographers, rather than photo gear enthusiasts, 1:1 on a normal pixel density monitor is not a guide to how an image will look in any usual setting. The pixel density of a 5k screen gives a good idea of how an image will look printed (or displayed on a large monitor) to the biggest size that makes a lot of sense (or indeed that most of us are likely to encounter). So in terms of resolution, much of what we have is more than we need (and many of the enhancements we are getting iike this one, and pixel shift, are of limited photographic value.
Of course testing at 1;1 is a great way to drill in on how things are performing, but when I do I try to remind myself that small differences at 1:1 on a standard density monitor will be no difference in all but the most extreme circumstances (like staring at a billboard from a metre away) ...Show more →
p.5 #5 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
DavidBM wrote:
Thanks.
What this reminds us of is that as photographers, rather than photo gear enthusiasts, 1:1 on a normal pixel density monitor is not a guide to how an image will look in any usual setting. The pixel density of a 5k screen gives a good idea of how an image will look printed (or displayed on a large monitor) to the biggest size that makes a lot of sense (or indeed that most of us are likely to encounter). So in terms of resolution, much of what we have is more than we need (and many of the enhancements we are getting iike this one, and pixel shift, are of limited photographic value.
Of course testing at 1;1 is a great way to drill in on how things are performing, but when I do I try to remind myself that small differences at 1:1 on a standard density monitor will be no difference in all but the most extreme circumstances (like staring at a billboard from a metre away) ...Show more →
This also applies to small differences in lenses when viewed at pixel level. Once the image makes it to a print, these differences just don’t matter.
p.5 #6 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
I was particularly impressed with Fred's example with tile roofing getting de-moire'd into distinct tiles.
For fields like architecture and some studio work, this could be a terrific asset. But for common photography subjects like landscape and portraits, it seems overkill and can be handled with far less memory with regular PP techniques that don't add to much MB per image.
p.5 #7 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
DavidBM wrote:
I’m guessing that the pixel density of a 5k screen is too high to see the benefit at 1:1, and maybe the interpolating to get 2:1 undoes the benefit. Which tells us that there are few real situations in which the benefit is noticeable.
Ok, maybe thats why i didnt see any difference, on my 5k Mac
Makes me feel better, i thought maybe i was doing something incorrect
p.5 #9 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
Funny, when I checked a few photos with the enhanced details feature on my 5K iMac, I wondered if Adobe didn't convince themselves of something that wasn't happening. There were no discernable differences.
On a 1080 display, you can see the difference, though it's not what I would in any way call significant, it's there and it's observable when you peep.
p.5 #11 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
Two points:
Adobe says Enhanced Details will make the most difference with large prints. While I haven't read every post in this thread, everyone I have read is looking only on screens. It will be interesting to hear from some folks who make large prints (Fred?).
Secondly, one of the things about this is what it portends for the future. This is a software-based improvement of color and detail rather than one that is optically or sensor based. It is probably just one more step in what will be a long progression of software based improvements in images, many of which are already getting incorporated into devices like the iPhone as well as in higher end cameras.
p.5 #12 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
I'm seeing what Jim Kasson saw. Potentially useful reductions in fine moire without loss of sharpness. Otherwise, not much visible difference. I do a lot of cityscapes; this might save some captures that I would have had to discard. Actually, I have some pictures that I gave up on that I'm going to try to revive....
p.5 #13 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
I want to add to what chiron said. I print a lot of my images and find that small differences at 100% do make a difference in a final print. A slightly sharper image looks brighter and better when printed. So, I would also like to hear about how the prints compare at, let's say, 13x19, while I try to decide whether I really want to update to the October release (it was initially buggy and pulled back).
chiron wrote:
Two points:
Adobe says Enhanced Details will make the most difference with large prints. While I haven't read every post in this thread, everyone I have read is looking only on screens. It will be interesting to hear from some folks who make large prints (Fred?).
Secondly, one of the things about this is what it portends for the future. This is a software-based improvement of color and detail rather than one that is optically or sensor based. It is probably just one more step in what will be a long progression of software based improvements in images, many of which are already getting incorporated into devices like the iPhone as well as in higher end cameras....Show more →
p.5 #14 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
More detail is more detail. When I had my Epson 7900. I could certainly see more detail coming off the 80mpx sensor compared to my 60mpx sensor. That printer was 20 inch. I did a lot of 20x30 prints
Damn thing filled my office.
If anything you will more likely see the gain in larger prints so that makes sense. Still worth a test though as technically it has more detail but given a certain size will the human eye pick up on it and than factor in distance from viewing. I’m sure there is a little hype thrown in here too.
I don’t have LR and no intention of buying it either.
p.5 #15 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
GMPhotography wrote:
More detail is more detail. When I had my Epson 7900. I could certainly see more detail coming off the 80mpx sensor compared to my 60mpx sensor. That printer was 20 inch. I did a lot of 20x30 prints
Damn thing filled my office.
Hi Guy,
Remember how big the Lightjet 5000 was particularly with the long tray.
But almost no one that I knew had one of those monsters in their home office. A lab, well that is a different question.
p.5 #16 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
I had a really hard time getting it in my office. First it was like 300 pounds shipped by crate and was like 40 inches long. A real monster. Beautiful printer though.
I used it a lot when I was teaching workshops. I made each attendee a final print when I got home. One or two workshops we actually brought my partners 7900 in and did a printing workshop. Fun stuff
p.5 #18 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
I downloaded with no issues on my Macs, have noticed subtle improvements on a 4K monitor, but haven't tried yet to print at my default size, 16x24 . . . doubt that much, if any, differences will be noticeable . . . but a nice tool nonetheless.
Regarding the DNG and file-size discussion: since I'm not knowledgeable about that format's pros/cons, maybe someone could chime in . . . For those who are frustrated by gigantic files, can't the DNG's resulting from running "Enhance Details" simply be saved as a TIFF?
And I agree with Fred's early comment that "ED" might be a viable alternative to "pixel-shift."
p.5 #20 · Lightroom's new Enhance Details sample with Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA
I actually think Adobe did a great job with Enhance details, especially when using with high frequency detail.
Fine detail does get enhanced without increasing noise or artifacts. It does not touch contrast in the out of focus area either and moire/false color gets reduced to a minimum.
It would be nice if they add levels of strength to it but I'm very happy with the results so far.
