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Archive 2018Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
p.43 #1Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
There are a few photos on Flickr from the camera, mostly from two shooters, at least in my search. There are some very 3D looking images from Arato. The shots from the other photographer are heavily edited, so it is hard to tell what the character of the camera-lens is relative to the editing.
At least Arato's BW shots are reminiscent to me of the RX1 series.
I too am puzzled, however, why anyone who is willing to drop $6K on a limited use camera would believe that the best place to edit a photo would be on the camera itself. Bleh. What was Zeiss thinking
Jim
At least Arato's BW shots are reminiscent to me of the RX1 series.
I too am puzzled, however, why anyone who is willing to drop $6K on a limited use camera would believe that the best place to edit a photo would be on the camera itself. Bleh. What was Zeiss thinking
Jim
Jan 09, 2022 at 09:37 PM
p.43 #2Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
The real value is in the fact that Lightroom syncs directly via the cloud. This way you can edit on your computer, phone, laptop, or on the camera itself. Much more elegant and many fewer steps than today where even on the latest cameras, you have to connect the camera to a computer to do the same. Yes you can use an iPad but the file system is horrendous.
As for the op's original point, I think the camera + lens seems to compare well technically based on the reviews out there vs. the Leica Q2 and Sony RX1R II. The DPReview studio shots show the ZX1 lens and camera combo being sharper than the other options out there across the frame. It's noticeable especially in the raw comparisons. Some of the real world shots I've seen reminds me of the Batis 40mm - great colors and sharp but bokeh isn't as smooth as say the RX1R.
As for price, it's too rich for my blood but so is the Leica Q2 although I think I'd pick the ZX1 over the Q2 to try something new and I've always preferred 35mm over 28mm.
As for the op's original point, I think the camera + lens seems to compare well technically based on the reviews out there vs. the Leica Q2 and Sony RX1R II. The DPReview studio shots show the ZX1 lens and camera combo being sharper than the other options out there across the frame. It's noticeable especially in the raw comparisons. Some of the real world shots I've seen reminds me of the Batis 40mm - great colors and sharp but bokeh isn't as smooth as say the RX1R.
As for price, it's too rich for my blood but so is the Leica Q2 although I think I'd pick the ZX1 over the Q2 to try something new and I've always preferred 35mm over 28mm.
Jan 09, 2022 at 10:00 PM
p.43 #3Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
tzhang4284 wrote:
The real value is in the fact that Lightroom syncs directly via the cloud. This way you can edit on your computer, phone, laptop, or on the camera itself. Much more elegant and many fewer steps than today where even on the latest cameras, you have to connect the camera to a computer to do the same. Yes you can use an iPad but the file system is horrendous.
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This is the point of Lightroom integration in the camera. It's not about just editing in camera, but camera being seamlessly integrated to a modern raw-based workflow with multiple machines with real editing programs like LR. It takes away unnecessary steps (like one button transfer to phone, even if it sounds good, it really isn't because you are multiplying files). Most of us (me included) are still transferring their raw-files with cards, readers, etc., so it's a bit difficult to see this without experience and one reason why people have difficulties to get their head around this..
The real value is in the fact that Lightroom syncs directly via the cloud. This way you can edit on your computer, phone, laptop, or on the camera itself. Much more elegant and many fewer steps than today where even on the latest cameras, you have to connect the camera to a computer to do the same. Yes you can use an iPad but the file system is horrendous.
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This is the point of Lightroom integration in the camera. It's not about just editing in camera, but camera being seamlessly integrated to a modern raw-based workflow with multiple machines with real editing programs like LR. It takes away unnecessary steps (like one button transfer to phone, even if it sounds good, it really isn't because you are multiplying files). Most of us (me included) are still transferring their raw-files with cards, readers, etc., so it's a bit difficult to see this without experience and one reason why people have difficulties to get their head around this..
Jan 10, 2022 at 02:20 AM
p.43 #4Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
$4199 OBO on eBay. If this sucker gets around $3000 I’m going to be quite interested though to be fair: that should have been the price for it all along.
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Jan 10, 2022 at 05:40 AM
p.43 #5Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
For all this talk about this being a first glance at the brave new, completely integrated world of 21st century photography, I still think it's a serious pity that Zeiss ended up making this overpriced brick, instead of releasing new lenses for mirrorless or working with Sony on a new iteration of the rx1 series.
Jan 10, 2022 at 07:35 AM
p.43 #6Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I'd be extremely happy if there is a RX1mk3 with better battery, none popup EVF, and more robust wifi. That's all. Otherwise it's a near perfect camera. Only full frame compact that can fit into a coat pocket.
Jan 10, 2022 at 09:52 AM
p.43 #7Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
gordec wrote:
I'd be extremely happy if there is a RX1mk3 with better battery, none popup EVF, and more robust wifi. That's all. Otherwise it's a near perfect camera. Only full frame compact that can fit into a coat pocket.
I'd love an Rx1riii as well. They can even keep the EVF and same small battery. I just need the latest AF, Colored focus point, menu, better buffer, and just overall operational speed. It is interesting that places like B&H & Adorama say "more on the way"? Wonder if you really can get an Rx1rii that was built in 2021/22? Sony has not budged on that price either all these years.
I'd be extremely happy if there is a RX1mk3 with better battery, none popup EVF, and more robust wifi. That's all. Otherwise it's a near perfect camera. Only full frame compact that can fit into a coat pocket.
I'd love an Rx1riii as well. They can even keep the EVF and same small battery. I just need the latest AF, Colored focus point, menu, better buffer, and just overall operational speed. It is interesting that places like B&H & Adorama say "more on the way"? Wonder if you really can get an Rx1rii that was built in 2021/22? Sony has not budged on that price either all these years.
Jan 10, 2022 at 10:04 AM
p.43 #8Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
gordec wrote:
I'd be extremely happy if there is a RX1mk3 with better battery, none popup EVF, and more robust wifi. That's all. Otherwise it's a near perfect camera. Only full frame compact that can fit into a coat pocket.
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nhsonyshooter wrote:
I'd love an Rx1riii as well. They can even keep the EVF and same small battery. I just need the latest AF, Colored focus point, menu, better buffer, and just overall operational speed. It is interesting that places like B&H & Adorama say "more on the way"? Wonder if you really can get an Rx1rii that was built in 2021/22? Sony has not budged on that price either all these years.
Many of us want the "III". What's taking Sony so long?
I'd be extremely happy if there is a RX1mk3 with better battery, none popup EVF, and more robust wifi. That's all. Otherwise it's a near perfect camera. Only full frame compact that can fit into a coat pocket.
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nhsonyshooter wrote:
gordec wrote
I'd be extremely happy if there is a RX1mk3 with better battery, none popup EVF, and more robust wifi. That's all. Otherwise it's a near perfect camera. Only full frame compact that can fit into a coat pocket.Many of us want the "III". What's taking Sony so long?
Jan 10, 2022 at 10:48 AM
p.43 #9Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Sony has some good compact lenses...how about an RX1RIII via an A7c with a 61mp sensor?
Jan 10, 2022 at 11:15 AM
p.43 #10Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I thought/hoping maybe they were holding off to gives us an MF RX1. Would buy a very compact MF or FF RX1.
Jan 10, 2022 at 11:19 AM
p.43 #11Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
gocolts wrote:
Sony has some good compact lenses...how about an RX1RIII via an A7c with a 61mp sensor?
IMO, the RX1 series success is not just about compactness. The lens plays a major role.
Sony has some good compact lenses...how about an RX1RIII via an A7c with a 61mp sensor?
IMO, the RX1 series success is not just about compactness. The lens plays a major role.
Jan 10, 2022 at 12:18 PM
p.43 #12Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
gordec wrote:
I'd be extremely happy if there is a RX1mk3 with better battery, none popup EVF, and more robust wifi. That's all. Otherwise it's a near perfect camera. Only full frame compact that can fit into a coat pocket.
What’s wrong with the pop-up EVF? It’s part of the reason it’s so compact and personally I think it’s pretty darn nifty.
Jan 10, 2022 at 04:42 PM
p.43 #13Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Fred Miranda wrote:
IMO, the RX1 series success is not just about compactness. The lens plays a major role.
As a former owner of an RX1RII I'd agree...but I'm just hoping Sony releases a high-MP small body in some form at this point.
gocolts wrote
Sony has some good compact lenses...how about an RX1RIII via an A7c with a 61mp sensor?As a former owner of an RX1RII I'd agree...but I'm just hoping Sony releases a high-MP small body in some form at this point.
Jan 10, 2022 at 05:08 PM
p.43 #14Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
derKoekje wrote:
What’s wrong with the pop-up EVF? It’s part of the reason it’s so compact and personally I think it’s pretty darn nifty.
If they can keep it the same size but make the EVF fixed, I think most would prefer that. It's just an inconvenience to have to pop it up. Also some believe, dust can get on the sensor through the EVF. I actually go the Zeiss OVF for RX1Rii. It's fun to use, but you have to prefocus on the LCD.
gordec wrote
I'd be extremely happy if there is a RX1mk3 with better battery, none popup EVF, and more robust wifi. That's all. Otherwise it's a near perfect camera. Only full frame compact that can fit into a coat pocket.If they can keep it the same size but make the EVF fixed, I think most would prefer that. It's just an inconvenience to have to pop it up. Also some believe, dust can get on the sensor through the EVF. I actually go the Zeiss OVF for RX1Rii. It's fun to use, but you have to prefocus on the LCD.
Jan 10, 2022 at 11:03 PM
p.43 #15Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
not sure what the Zeiss buyers are smoking that would convince them to pay $6000 for this camera
Jan 11, 2022 at 02:05 PM
p.43 #16Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
rattlebonez wrote:
not sure what the Zeiss buyers are smoking that would convince them to pay $6000 for this camera
Why, illegally imported, riddiculously expensive cuban cigars ?
Since they clearly dont have to think about money much.
not sure what the Zeiss buyers are smoking that would convince them to pay $6000 for this camera
Why, illegally imported, riddiculously expensive cuban cigars ?
Since they clearly dont have to think about money much.
Jan 12, 2022 at 02:04 AM
p.43 #17Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Fred Miranda wrote:
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I'd love an Rx1riii as well. They can even keep the EVF and same small battery. I just need the latest AF, Colored focus point, menu, better buffer, and just overall operational speed. It is interesting that places like B&H & Adorama say "more on the way"? Wonder if you really can get an Rx1rii that was built in 2021/22? Sony has not budged on that price either all these years.Many of us want the "III". What's taking Sony so long?
With the release of the ZX1, I'd be surprised if the 35 Sonnar is still licensed by Zeiss. If it isn't, then it's straight to the drawing board which Sony might not think is worth it in this ever contracting camera market.
Even if the 35 Sonnar is still licensed, you could get ~90% of the way there with either a 35i, a 35 APO-Lanthar, or a 40G + an α7C in terms of IQ and have vastly better AF (well, aside from the Lanthar) and battery life and a straight up better low light experience with IBIS. Again, with a shrinking market, it'd be hard to make the argument the sales you'll get are worth the R&D—especially as you can't position the riii as a loss leader that'll get you into a larger ecosystem.
Even if we ignore potential sales, I'd still be skeptical because if I understand things correctly there's a hard limit on how much you can improve the AF with the speed of the unit AF motors. Battery life would be much easier to improve, and perhaps you could just add OSS to the existing design—but even with current algorithms the riii's AF is going to be slow. Not that some here wouldn't accept it, but it would be a black mark to the general consumer and Sony's brand as an AF leader.
gordec wrote
I'd be extremely happy if there is a RX1mk3 with better battery, none popup EVF, and more robust wifi. That's all. Otherwise it's a near perfect camera. Only full frame compact that can fit into a coat pocket.nhsonyshooter wrote
gordec wrote
I'd be extremely happy if there is a RX1mk3 with better battery, none popup EVF, and more robust wifi. That's all. Otherwise it's a near perfect camera. Only full frame compact that can fit into a coat pocket.With the release of the ZX1, I'd be surprised if the 35 Sonnar is still licensed by Zeiss. If it isn't, then it's straight to the drawing board which Sony might not think is worth it in this ever contracting camera market.
Even if the 35 Sonnar is still licensed, you could get ~90% of the way there with either a 35i, a 35 APO-Lanthar, or a 40G + an α7C in terms of IQ and have vastly better AF (well, aside from the Lanthar) and battery life and a straight up better low light experience with IBIS. Again, with a shrinking market, it'd be hard to make the argument the sales you'll get are worth the R&D—especially as you can't position the riii as a loss leader that'll get you into a larger ecosystem.
Even if we ignore potential sales, I'd still be skeptical because if I understand things correctly there's a hard limit on how much you can improve the AF with the speed of the unit AF motors. Battery life would be much easier to improve, and perhaps you could just add OSS to the existing design—but even with current algorithms the riii's AF is going to be slow. Not that some here wouldn't accept it, but it would be a black mark to the general consumer and Sony's brand as an AF leader.
Jan 12, 2022 at 07:30 AM
p.43 #18Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Not sure what’s up with the battery life sucks talks lol 😂 I just bought a used Rx1r mark I last week and the battery life is pretty good. Autofocus isn’t as bad as a lot of people make it out to be either, it’s pretty on par with 2009 and under full frame dslr which wasn’t awful. IQ of this camera reminds me of my sharp copy of the Sony 35mm f1.4 ZA which is bananas considering the lens is almost twice the size of this camera in my hand. 😂
I really don’t think you can replicate this tiny camera with a Sony A7c and lens attached to it. Voigtlander lenses are manual focus only and the better fast primes are way too big.
I really don’t think you can replicate this tiny camera with a Sony A7c and lens attached to it. Voigtlander lenses are manual focus only and the better fast primes are way too big.
Jan 12, 2022 at 10:03 AM
p.43 #19Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
First series RX1s are going for $500-600 on BS here, quite a bargain. Do better for a camera/lens combo as classy at that, for that money. Most cameras sold and used are still 24mp or thereabouts. The RX1 is a 2012 release - ten full years soon.
Under ISO 500 it has more DR than the a9 (I and II), above that it gives up less than a stop. A full stop better than the a9 v1 at ISO 100. Sony's early sensors were excellent. The Sonnar lens is a modern legend.
Photography students will be using them as cult cameras 10 years from now, like Hexar AFs at present. Zeiss could have emulated and re-imagined the RX1 with this vapor-cam. Maybe they did a deal with Sony for Sony not to go further with a 35/2 FLC.
Under ISO 500 it has more DR than the a9 (I and II), above that it gives up less than a stop. A full stop better than the a9 v1 at ISO 100. Sony's early sensors were excellent. The Sonnar lens is a modern legend.
Photography students will be using them as cult cameras 10 years from now, like Hexar AFs at present. Zeiss could have emulated and re-imagined the RX1 with this vapor-cam. Maybe they did a deal with Sony for Sony not to go further with a 35/2 FLC.
Jan 12, 2022 at 06:12 PM
p.43 #20Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
nehemiahphoto wrote:
I thought/hoping maybe they were holding off to gives us an MF RX1. Would buy a very compact MF or FF RX1.
But the MF is what breaks on the RX1…😳
I thought/hoping maybe they were holding off to gives us an MF RX1. Would buy a very compact MF or FF RX1.
But the MF is what breaks on the RX1…😳
Jan 12, 2022 at 10:29 PM