LBJ2 wrote:
I do however believe the ZX1 in camera editing/connectivity concept might just be the beginning of a new process/workflow/distribution we could see implemented in other cameras at some point too. And this is what interests me, ZX1 or otherwise. IMO not difficult to see how the process could be useful for more that a few scenarios. E.g., what many are trying to do currently with the almost-there camera apps.
I really hope you're right here...but I hope that process is an effortless way to get the RAW on to my phone. It's a far more comfortable editing device for me.
Dave Sanders wrote: LBJ2 wroteI do however believe the ZX1 in camera editing/connectivity concept might just be the beginning of a new process/workflow/distribution we could see implemented in other cameras at some point too. And this is what interests me, ZX1 or otherwise. IMO not difficult to see how the process could be useful for more that a few scenarios. E.g., what many are trying to do currently with the almost-there camera apps.I really hope you're right here...but I hope that process is an effortless way to get the RAW on to my phone. It's a far more comfortable editing device for me.
Why do you need raw on your phone? Wouldn't jpeg be good enough? What would the purpose of the phone edited image be?
Dave Sanders wrote: LBJ2 wroteI do however believe the ZX1 in camera editing/connectivity concept might just be the beginning of a new process/workflow/distribution we could see implemented in other cameras at some point too. And this is what interests me, ZX1 or otherwise. IMO not difficult to see how the process could be useful for more that a few scenarios. E.g., what many are trying to do currently with the almost-there camera apps.I really hope you're right here...but I hope that process is an effortless way to get the RAW on to my phone. It's a far more comfortable editing device for me.
I don't understand why Sony doesn't support RAW transfer from Camera to Mobile, Maybe some technical challenge that might be solved by the new processors (no idea). FWIW, I've always been able to transfer DNG/RAW from my Leica camera to mobile with the Leica Fotos app.
chez wrote: Dave Sanders wroteLBJ2 wroteI do however believe the ZX1 in camera editing/connectivity concept might just be the beginning of a new process/workflow/distribution we could see implemented in other cameras at some point too. And this is what interests me, ZX1 or otherwise. IMO not difficult to see how the process could be useful for more that a few scenarios. E.g., what many are trying to do currently with the almost-there camera apps.I really hope you're right here...but I hope that process is an effortless way to get the RAW on to my phone. It's a far more comfortable editing device for me.Why do you need raw on your phone? Wouldn't jpeg be good enough? What would the purpose of the phone edited image be?
Yes, JPEG is good enough and it's what I currently use. If you click on my Instagram, a number of those photos were uploaded while I was still out shooting and they're edited JPEGs. I've been pounding the 'horses for courses' drum here and saying that the current solution is more than adequate for the 'problem' that Zeiss is trying to solve; if you need to immediately share to a platform that displays photos at significantly reduced quality, the JPEGs are more than good enough.
What I'm saying is that if a person is attached to the idea of editing RAW on the go, it's better to do that on your device.
LBJ2 wrote: Dave Sanders wroteLBJ2 wroteI do however believe the ZX1 in camera editing/connectivity concept might just be the beginning of a new process/workflow/distribution we could see implemented in other cameras at some point too. And this is what interests me, ZX1 or otherwise. IMO not difficult to see how the process could be useful for more that a few scenarios. E.g., what many are trying to do currently with the almost-there camera apps.I really hope you're right here...but I hope that process is an effortless way to get the RAW on to my phone. It's a far more comfortable editing device for me.I don't understand why Sony doesn't support RAW transfer from Camera to Mobile, Maybe some technical challenge that might be solved by the new processors (no idea). FWIW, I've always been able to transfer DNG/RAW from my Leica camera to mobile with the Leica Fotos app.
Yeah it's a puzzler. YouTube videos lead me to believe that Imaging Edge supports RAW transfer on Sony phones, but not any others. Or maybe it was a feature they had for a while then removed? Either way, if you notice, I find that fact annoying haha.
LBJ2 wrote: Dave Sanders wroteLBJ2 wroteI do however believe the ZX1 in camera editing/connectivity concept might just be the beginning of a new process/workflow/distribution we could see implemented in other cameras at some point too. And this is what interests me, ZX1 or otherwise. IMO not difficult to see how the process could be useful for more that a few scenarios. E.g., what many are trying to do currently with the almost-there camera apps.I really hope you're right here...but I hope that process is an effortless way to get the RAW on to my phone. It's a far more comfortable editing device for me.I don't understand why Sony doesn't support RAW transfer from Camera to Mobile, Maybe some technical challenge that might be solved by the new processors (no idea). FWIW, I've always been able to transfer DNG/RAW from my Leica camera to mobile with the Leica Fotos app.
Easy to solve. Use FTP from camera to FTP server app on the mobile. There are plenty of free ones.
gordec wrote:
Any FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.
I see you live in Dublin. I have friends that work at Carl Zeiss Meditec which is based in Dublin. Maybe you can see if someone can get you an employee discount.
I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.
liggy wrote: gordec wroteAny FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.I see you live in Dublin. I have friends that work at Carl Zeiss Meditec which is based in Dublin. Maybe you can see if someone can get you an employee discount.
I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.
The Sonnar on the RX1R line is still one of the best compact 35mm on any full frame camera fixed or interchangeable. The 35mm on the ZX1 has a different rendering from the limited online samples I see. It would be nice to have a direct comparison. If you can hook be up with a discount, if seriously think about getting a ZX1 to play with.
gordec wrote: liggy wrotegordec wroteAny FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.I see you live in Dublin. I have friends that work at Carl Zeiss Meditec which is based in Dublin. Maybe you can see if someone can get you an employee discount.
I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.The Sonnar on the RX1R line is still one of the best compact 35mm on any full frame camera fixed or interchangeable. The 35mm on the ZX1 has a different rendering from the limited online samples I see. It would be nice to have a direct comparison. If you can hook be up with a discount, if seriously think about getting a ZX1 to play with.
I’ll ask around. There’s a couple used ones at B&H and Adorama. I asked one of my pals about getting a Fuji lens for me years ago and the discount wasn’t much at all.
The iPhone sensor SUCKS. I highly doubt the ZX1 sensor sucks.
liggy wrote: gordec wroteAny FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.I see you live in Dublin. I have friends that work at Carl Zeiss Meditec which is based in Dublin. Maybe you can see if someone can get you an employee discount.
I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.
RoamingScott wrote:
The iPhone sensor SUCKS. I highly doubt the ZX1 sensor sucks.
liggy wrotegordec wroteAny FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.I see you live in Dublin. I have friends that work at Carl Zeiss Meditec which is based in Dublin. Maybe you can see if someone can get you an employee discount.
I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.
OK, sure. No argument there from me.
But having a high quality sensor and lens and designing the camera for a workflow predicated on editing on the camera is like having a 911 GT3 and only using it to get groceries. A Prius would be a better tool for the job.
I don’t disagree. It’s very easy to move RAW files from any camera to an Android or iOS device and use the most up to date version of LR Mobile on a nice big screen. The ZX1, as a photo editor, is beyond pointless.
liggy wrote: RoamingScott wroteThe iPhone sensor SUCKS. I highly doubt the ZX1 sensor sucks.
liggy wrotegordec wroteAny FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.I see you live in Dublin. I have friends that work at Carl Zeiss Meditec which is based in Dublin. Maybe you can see if someone can get you an employee discount.
I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.OK, sure. No argument there from me.
But having a high quality sensor and lens and designing the camera for a workflow predicated on editing on the camera is like having a 911 GT3 and only using it to get groceries. A Prius would be a better tool for the job.
gocolts wrote:
I actually saw a used one at B&H for $4k. How cheap will it have to get before someone here buys one out of curiousity?
I’d only pay about $1K for one.
Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.
I don’t know if I’d need it to hit $1k. Maybe $3k? My concern is the reviews seemed to complain that the normal use of the camera could be a pain because of the interface / android. I wouldn’t want to be frustrated by day to day UI issues, even if I chose to ignore the Lightroom integration.
liggy wrote: gocolts wroteI actually saw a used one at B&H for $4k. How cheap will it have to get before someone here buys one out of curiousity?I’d only pay about $1K for one.
Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.
wdshuck wrote:
I don’t know if I’d need it to hit $1k. Maybe $3k? My concern is the reviews seemed to complain that the normal use of the camera could be a pain because of the interface / android. I wouldn’t want to be frustrated by day to day UI issues, even if I chose to ignore the Lightroom integration.
liggy wrotegocolts wroteI actually saw a used one at B&H for $4k. How cheap will it have to get before someone here buys one out of curiousity?I’d only pay about $1K for one.
Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.
I would worry about software support. It's unclear if Zeiss is going to continue spending money on the ZX1 project. It's obviously unsuccessful.
Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.
I’d be willing to pay $250 for one and use it as a novelty paper weight.
Fred Miranda wrote: wdshuck wroteI don’t know if I’d need it to hit $1k. Maybe $3k? My concern is the reviews seemed to complain that the normal use of the camera could be a pain because of the interface / android. I wouldn’t want to be frustrated by day to day UI issues, even if I chose to ignore the Lightroom integration.
liggy wrotegocolts wroteI actually saw a used one at B&H for $4k. How cheap will it have to get before someone here buys one out of curiousity?I’d only pay about $1K for one.
Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.I would worry about software support. It's unclear if Zeiss is going to continue spending money on the ZX1 project. It's obviously unsuccessful.
Chances seem very good it'll end up being an expensive orphan. An answer to an unasked question.