p.32 #3 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Fred Miranda wrote:
It's disappointing to see zero DR advantage from this preliminary report. Sony extrapolated a bit on the marketing hype this time...
p.32 #4 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
RobDickinson wrote:
The mk2 is certainly better, but the biggest change is the shutter shake issue is fixed.
Actually the IQ of the original A7r at base ISO is a little better than the Mk2 and I suspect the Mk3.
You can see from Bill Claffs diagrams that it has the highest base ISO DR around.
However, the very slight drop in base ISO IQ is more than made up for in my view by improvements at mid ISO (around 640) and from the fixing of the shutter shock. And I doubt that we could have got the mid to high ISO improvements without the (very slight) base ISO penalty, at least not without lowering the base ISO.
p.32 #5 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
pasblues wrote:
From Brian Smith's page: "While a7R III can’t match a9’s 20 FPS, it’s mechanical shutter offers the ability to shoot with flash up to 10 FPS – twice the speed of a9!"
School me: Is there a flash that can do 10fps?
Profoto B4, D1X, Pro 10. There may be others but those are the ones I use. Very popular with fashion guys. I'm really happy the new camera will give me at least 5fps with flash now as long as the blackout is short enough between frames to see what I'm shooting.
p.32 #6 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
DavidBM wrote:
Actually the IQ of the original A7r at base ISO is a little better than the Mk2 and I suspect the Mk3.
You can see from Bill Claffs diagrams that it has the highest base ISO DR around.
However, the very slight drop in base ISO IQ is more than made up for in my view by improvements at mid ISO (around 640) and from the fixing of the shutter shock. And I doubt that we could have got the mid to high ISO improvements without the (very slight) base ISO penalty, at least not without lowering the base ISO.
And uncompressed raws etc ive not yet noticed a difference in dr...
p.32 #7 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
GMPhotography wrote:
I don’t have a extra 3200 for a body on top of a 4500 body . That’s throwing stupid money in the can. I bought the A9 for speed because the A7r2 sucked at it,the A9 was a stop gap until this A7rIII that is certainly look to pick it up a notch. I need 42mpx end of day. I rented the A7r2 when I needed 42 for a gig. That has been my plan all along. The A9 is faster than I needed so I can throttle back a little but not to the the A7r2, that has been the issue with it could not keep up. ...Show more →
If the new A7R3 is that much faster than the R2, I'll too will be very happy. Let's hope so
p.32 #8 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
DavidBM wrote:
I never found the EVF of the Mark 2 annoying until I looked though an A9 - and now we have it.
David - I posted a question about the two v/f yesterday, but it disappeared in the mad rush of new posts. Since you've compared the two: how much better do you think the new one is? From what you're saying above, I'd guess quite a bit.
If I'm focusing on small distant details with the A7RII, they are right on the edge of being able to tell whether focus is exact. For example, I often focus on a small street sign about half a block away for lens tests. With wide lenses, it's difficult to tell whether focus is nailed. Is the new v/f improved enough that it might solve that problem?
p.32 #9 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
DannyBurkPhoto wrote:
David - I posted a question about the two v/f yesterday, but it disappeared in the mad rush of new posts. Since you've compared the two: how much better do you think the new one is? From what you're saying above, I'd guess quite a bit.
If I'm focusing on small distant details with the A7RII, they are right on the edge of being able to tell whether focus is exact. For example, I often focus on a small street sign about half a block away for lens tests. With wide lenses, it's difficult to tell whether focus is nailed. Is the new v/f improved enough that it might solve that problem?...Show more →
I haven't compared them side by side; I've just looked into the A9 and thought "wow".
Now as we know, absent side by side comparisons, there might have been something about the environment etc.
But, disclaimer aside, it *might* be able to do a better job for what you want. But my "wow" was more to do with the fact that there was less or none of that pixel visibility that makes you know it's an EVF, and the fact that it's much brighter, which especially in bright conditions, makes it all much more pleasant to use and natural seeming. Whether in fact you can see more detail around to focus on I don' know. I haven't found that a problem with the rII myself, but conditions vary.
p.32 #10 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
RobDickinson wrote:
And uncompressed raws etc ive not yet noticed a difference in dr...
I've not noticed it either; nor would I expect to be able to notice a 1/3 stop or so of difference in photographic DR at base ISO without controlled measurements. Enough small differences make a difference, but I'd never obsess about a 1/3 stop difference compared to almost any other feature of a camera. Especially 1/3 stop when there's already plenty of DR for anything I do, and sometime I pull about my files quite a bit.
p.32 #11 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
I'll be a little envious of the EVF (who wouldn't want a better view finder, regardless of camera?) and quite a bit more envious of the pixel-shift. I've used a Hassy multi-shot back with a 50MP CCD, and the results were breathtaking. Great for still life macro, and not without its uses for landscape. Living in or visiting the American west, for example, would present plenty of opportunities where nothing would move in the time it takes the camera to complete a four-shot cycle.
My need for either of those things to make me a satisfied photographer, however, is non-existent, so I'm sticking with the rII.
p.32 #13 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
RobDickinson wrote:
I just moved to the a7r2 (dead mk1) and its a great upgrade but expensive (even with insurance).
I maybe join mk2/3 group if nothing better by next year. I know BSI colors look better than FSI but I'm panning out for much higher resolution & DR than mk1 for awhile and now sick of waiting
p.32 #14 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
I really like the A7RIII in all areas bar price (in local currency I paid $2900 for my A7RII brand new and would be looking at circa $4800 to buy a III at launch) but the reports of no DR improvement has me somewhat put off.
That's a lot of extra money for a better EVF, dual cards, better battery, USB-C and 14-bit e-shutter (these are the only other features that matter to me for my landscape work; naturally others may see benefit in 10 fps, better AF etc. I don't.)
As I wanted a second body anyway I was prepared to deal with the high price tag because it would give me a body that fixed most of my A7RII gripes and deliver (supposedly) better IQ, but if that's not the case I am re-thinking. I reckon the A7RII will probably be attainable for half the price of the III in the coming months locally, making that a fairly attractive proposition for my second body after all. But, I love new stuff so who knows - I'll probably end up buying it anyway.
p.32 #15 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
One thing which is probably not discussed yet:
How does the the shutter sound on the mk3 ?
The sound of the mk2 is something I was not fond of at all, to be precise I really
don't like it and that was one reason for me that this camera was never going to be my main
tool. So I wonder if Sony did change something there but I am afraid that this was a non issue for
them and there is not any change at all...
It would be so great if it had the shutter sound of say the Fuji X-Pro2, so gentle, so sexy
p.32 #16 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
johnvanr wrote:
We will have to agree to disagree. Today, I handled both the A9 and the A7RIII. As I wrote in an earlier post, I’ve owned many Sony A7 cameras, so I’m speaking from experience. The only improvement I noticed today, in handling, is the joystick. The rest is the same old, no matter the speed, the MPs.
I just don’t get all those apologists saying you just have to get used to it. No, you don’t. By now, esp. with their ownership of Minolta, they should have figured out how to build a camera that people generally say is a joy to use, kind of like Nikon, Canon, Fuji, Olympus, Leica etc.
I'm not an apologist. I'm a user. And I am more than "used" to the A9. I'm some ways I actually prefer it to my Nikons, which I've been using for almost a decade, and my Leica M, which I sold to fund the A9. As I hope we both realize, ergonomics is a subjective thing - as such your dislike for the Sony camera format doesn't turn all who disagree with you into "apologists." That's silly. After all, maybe you're the one that's being too demanding and inflexible.
p.32 #17 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
'be able to notice a 1/3 stop or so of difference in photographic DR at base ISO without controlled measurements.'
Exactly right, it's very much down to your shooting environment. I see DR more as a central characteristic of a camera's contribution to image quality. I have been thinking enough DR is enough so you don't need more than that; but now I have had a good look at Bill Claff's work, I realise I have three of the top ten or so cameras for PDR, all are 4-5 years old.
I went from losing maybe 20% of shots to none at all once the a99 and RX1 arrived (but I am at the extreme in lighting). So I am not so blase about it now. Nikon own most of the top ten camera models over many years so it's a clear preference by them to seek max PDR. They seem to maybe believe it has a strong correlation to image quality. It looks that way. The better cameras don't have low PDR, all of them.
p.32 #18 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
"However, after all these years, I was hoping that the A7RII successor would have a newer sensor tech with higher resolution, broader DR and lower base ISO (like 50). Basically something that would 'shake up' the market again...
I really feel Sony has something up their sleeves in terms of sensor tech. Otherwise perhaps we are hitting a plateau."
IMHO there will be an A9r in 2018 after the A7III & A7sIII. I'm hoping the A9r sensor is in the region of 70MP and have all the latest sensor tech to give 16 to 17 stops of DR. If Red can do it why can't Sony?
If there is only a 50MP sensor in the A9r or even no A9r, this suggests to me that Sony will be introducing a MF mirrorless system either based around the Sony 44x33 100MP sensor or 55x41 150MP sensor, which are both coming in 2018. Failure to introduce a high MP A9r could cause some existing users to jump ship to Hasselblad or more likely Fuji both of whom will have their 2nd generation MF mirrorless cameras which will use the 100MP Sony sensor in 2018 / 19.
p.32 #20 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
asnapper wrote:
"However, after all these years, I was hoping that the A7RII successor would have a newer sensor tech with higher resolution, broader DR and lower base ISO (like 50). Basically something that would 'shake up' the market again...
I really feel Sony has something up their sleeves in terms of sensor tech. Otherwise perhaps we are hitting a plateau."
IMHO there will be an A9r in 2018 after the A7III & A7sIII. I'm hoping the A9r sensor is in the region of 70MP and have all the latest sensor tech to give 16 to 17 stops of DR. If Red can do it why can't Sony?
If there is only a 50MP sensor in the A9r or even no A9r, this suggests to me that Sony will be introducing a MF mirrorless system either based around the Sony 44x33 100MP sensor or 55x41 150MP sensor, which are both coming in 2018. Failure to introduce a high MP A9r could cause some existing users to jump ship to Hasselblad or more likely Fuji both of whom will have their 2nd generation MF mirrorless cameras which will use the 100MP Sony sensor in 2018 / 19.
Never say never with Sony, but when interviewed and asked about MF on October 17, 2017, Sony's Kenji Tanaka - Business Head of ILC Body, Yasuyuki Nagata - Business Head od Lens/Peripheral, and Hiroshi Sakamoto - Senior General Manager Marketing Div answered :
(Translated by Google)
"...We produce medium format matrices for other companies, but we currently do not have a plan to create such a system."
