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p.22 #1 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


dhphoto wrote:
I see the 6D2 as a progression from that which is not bad, it's just the other manufacturers have moved on considerably.


Sorry, the "other manufacturers" have moved on considerably from a very low starting point. You can easily improve on the mediocre... And you don't use entry level models to compete with the top tier models either, that's company suicide and nobody benefits from that (only idiots would decree that a manufacturers demise is good)!



Jul 04, 2017 at 04:35 AM
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p.22 #2 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Red Marx wrote:
Thank you for taking the time to illustrate many of the differences between the 6D Mark II and the 5D Mark IV.

I wanted to address a few things from your post. Regarding the exposure meter comment that you made, I believe you'll find the answer to whether or not it was a typographical error on Canon's part of you look at the exposure meter for the 80D.

Thank you for drawing my attention to the 80D. Yes, the zone configurations are identical. I have now edited my original comments accordingly.

I'm confused by your statement of white balance not being available in the 6D Mark II. In the viewfinder? Anywhere? Are you implying that only the 5D Mark IV has AWB-W?
No, that wasn't my intention. I was referring to the viewfinder of the 6D MkII not displaying which WB mode has been selected. I have now amended my original to make this more clear.

One missing item on your list is x-sync speed.
Thank you for pointing that out. For some reason, Canon omitted the x-sync speed from the detailed 6D's specification sheet, but I have now added it to my summary.

And thank you for your kind words!




Jul 04, 2017 at 05:39 AM
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p.22 #3 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


dhphoto wrote:
The 6D always had one thing really going for it, a truly good sensor.


And if the 6D2 is further improved on this ...



Jul 04, 2017 at 07:35 AM
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p.22 #4 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


charlyw wrote:
Sorry, the "other manufacturers" have moved on considerably from a very low starting point. You can easily improve on the mediocre... And you don't use entry level models to compete with the top tier models either, that's company suicide and nobody benefits from that (only idiots would decree that a manufacturers demise is good)!


Really not sure what you are talking about, but the other manufacturers models at the same level are either better or cheaper right now



Jul 04, 2017 at 07:37 AM
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p.22 #5 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


dhphoto wrote:
Really not sure what you are talking about, but the other manufacturers models at the same level are either better or cheaper right now


I'm trying to catch onto what the fuzz is about. Are there models from other manufacturers that are both better and cheaper? Canon also has better or cheaper models at about the same level (5D IV, 6D).


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Jul 04, 2017 at 07:41 AM
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p.22 #6 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Can we please stick to rationally discussing the tech in question?


Jul 04, 2017 at 07:46 AM
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p.22 #7 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Everythingis1 wrote:
...You people sound like battered spouses.


This is totally inappropriate. Reported.



Jul 04, 2017 at 07:51 AM
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Paul Mo wrote:
Can we please stick to rationally discussing the tech in question?


Time to lock this up



Jul 04, 2017 at 07:53 AM
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p.22 #9 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Paul Mo wrote:
Can we please stick to rationally discussing the tech in question?

dhphoto wrote:
Time to lock this up


Probably right. Unfortunately, having this thread locked by Fred would be considered a "win" by the posters who have brought it to this point.



Jul 04, 2017 at 07:57 AM
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p.22 #10 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


I am trying to figure out what other camera than the 6D II that I should buy, and why, since the 6D II is supposed to be out-competed before delivery.

The D610 doesn't have a rotating display, so I could just as well buy a 6D even cheaper then.
The D750 is more expensive and doesn't give me any essential extras.
The A7 II doesn't have an OVF.

Any other?




Jul 04, 2017 at 08:04 AM
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p.22 #11 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


scrappydog wrote:
I never feel obliged to post anywhere. I know it is more comforting when you are only among like-minded sheep, but that's not the world we live in. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Re: the battered spouse analogy, I would characterize Apple devotees to be of the same ilk. The 'I want more but they keep giving me less, and for more money' quandary. And yes, when the analogy is appropriate, as it is here, it represents my thoughts. The question is: why is is inappropriate in your mind? Has your thrill about another rehash of rebadged old tech clouded your
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First ... I have no bias toward Canon anymore than you do (note your glass selection below). My only "bias" is that over years of using different glass (Nikon, Oly, etc.) the Canon product line of glass fits my utility better than other mfr offerings. I actually prefer the Nikon bodies, but prefer canon Glass lineup (as apparently you do as well). Your condescending and rude assertion of my bias is errant.

Thus, that presently puts me in three possible positions for using said glass. A) Kodak B) Sony C) Canon.
Which, btw includes alternative glass in Zeiss, Oly, Nikon, Leica and Mamiya (so much for Canon bias).

A) My Kodak SLR/C is a one trick pony at base ISO (14MP) and will still make wonderful images (note, that is still technically more MP than the A7s despite being nearly a decade older, albeit 2MP is pragmatically insignificant).

B) Sony ... too simple ... MILC ergonomics suck terribly for me. End of story every time I pick it up. Game over for me.
(BTW, I've already stated this position).

As such, my rationality in using Canon EF mount bodies with Canon EF mount glass is just fine, thank you very much.



Now ... as to your intentional and continued ad hominem references (i.e. sheep, etc.) ... please go join your other Canon bashing brethren over in some non-Canon Forum while continuing to use your cadre of Canon glass. The fact that you like using Sony with your Canon glass ... super, duper, cooper. Just quit trying to tell others they are somehow wrong, inferior, irrational, dull minded, battered spouse mentality and / or other inappropriate references for choosing to do otherwise ...



BTW, I believe this is what is currently in your stable from Canon (per your profile):

Canon 7D2
Canon 16-35mm f/4L IS
Canon 24-70 f/2.8L II
Canon 24-105mm f/4L
Canon 40mm f/2.8 pancake
Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L II
Canon 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L II
Canon 500mm f/4L IS II


NOTE: Fred Miranda himself uses Canon glass on Sony bodies ... BUT, I don't see Fred in the Canon Forum trying to tell his respected fellow FM'ers how "F"'d up, dull minded, battered spouse, sheep mentality they are for continuing to use Canon bodies. Take a clue from Fred ... go shoot the Sony if you like it, just quit trying to tell others how wrong they are for not doing the same.

I know you feel like you are doing such a good thing by challenging us to get out of our comfort zone ... but, A) you are only the last in a long line of people who have thought it was their obligation to do the same. B) your manner of decorum in doing so is inappropriate conduct for FM. C) You really have no idea the depth, breadth and detail of which the members of this forum have been exposed to, considered and evaluated their wants & needs regarding Canon and others. Your assertions of the members of this forum as sheep and battered spouses, etc. is inappropriate for FM. If this needs further clarification ... please consult Fred Miranda himself.




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Jul 04, 2017 at 08:06 AM
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p.22 #12 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


dhphoto wrote:
Really not sure what you are talking about, but the other manufacturers models at the same level are either better or cheaper right now


And therein lies the rub: They are either better (but cost more) or are cheaper (but don't deliver the same sort of performance)... Heck even the highly lauded A9 is for many purposes in the same performance class as the 6DII - it only can shoot at 3fps in many circumstances, has worse flash sync speed, banding and it costs an arm and a leg and a kidney donation...




Jul 04, 2017 at 08:16 AM
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p.22 #13 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


dhphoto wrote:
Time to lock this up


Agreed. It's going round in circles anyway, so i think we've exhausted the discussion until some actual hands-on reviews get published and we have more than speculation to talk about.



Jul 04, 2017 at 09:19 AM
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p.22 #14 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Wow, it took 22 pages for this thread to get to the point of attacking each other, claiming Canon is an old fart of a company, Sony is the best, Nikon is cheaper, 4k rules, et al. Please Fred, lock this up....nothing to learn here.

For all those that think Canon is lagging behind just about everything, go buy something else. I think you'd be happier.




Jul 04, 2017 at 09:24 AM
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p.22 #15 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


mogud wrote:
For all those that think Canon is lagging behind just about everything, go buy something else. I think you'd be happier.



+1

And then go spend your time shooting it ... rather than telling us how wrong we are.



Jul 04, 2017 at 09:27 AM
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alundeb wrote:
I am trying to figure out what other camera than the 6D II that I should buy, and why, since the 6D II is supposed to be out-competed before delivery.

The D610 doesn't have a rotating display, so I could just as well buy a 6D even cheaper then.
The D750 is more expensive and doesn't give me any essential extras.
The A7 II doesn't have an OVF.

Any other?



Not to detract from the 6DII which looks like a big step up from the 6D and likely a very capable camera, but the D750 is the same price and over the past several months has been on sale for anywhere from $200 to $500 less than the 6DII. It did cost more at launch though, so in a year or two the 6DII may reach the same or cheaper prices.



Jul 04, 2017 at 09:30 AM
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p.22 #17 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


One of the issues with looking at the price of different platform cameras ... the cost of retooling your glass lineup typically exceeds any $$$ "saved".

If you have no investment in your glass, that's one thing ... but, it doesn't take long before any $$$ saved on bodies is eradicated by $$$ on glass changes.



Jul 04, 2017 at 09:39 AM
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p.22 #18 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


RustyBug wrote:
One of the issues with looking at the price of different platform cameras ... the cost of retooling your glass lineup typically exceeds any $$$ "saved".

If you have no investment in your glass, that's one thing ... but, it doesn't take long before any $$$ saved on bodies is eradicated by $$$ on glass changes.


But you only lose that once, if at all. The other option is keep your savings on glass and always be 2-3 generations
behind all other camera bodies while canon continues to charge big bucks for the tiniest of improvements every 5 years.

It's like they sit around a board room asking their marketing team "what is the absolute least amount of improvements we can make and still get these people to fall for it?"

Which is why I am looking to go Sony hopefully with the A7iii and keep using my canon glass while I gradually shift into their eco system.
My first canon was an AE-1 with a power winder and I have bought nothing but them for 30 years. I didnt want to shift systems but canon has just flat out refused to come up to the times with their bodies.

I get it, they cant give the 6D(X) anything worth a crap because it might cut into the sales of the 5D(X). Sounds like great marketing to them as long you have suckers willing to pony up for tiny improvements every 5 years because they are locked into your glass.

To me it just says they gimped the 5D(X) to much when even a entry level camera with 1/8000 shutter is considered by them to be a threat to it.



Jul 04, 2017 at 10:30 AM
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p.22 #19 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Lauchlan Toal wrote:
Not to detract from the 6DII which looks like a big step up from the 6D and likely a very capable camera, but the D750 is the same price and over the past several months has been on sale for anywhere from $200 to $500 less than the 6DII. It did cost more at launch though, so in a year or two the 6DII may reach the same or cheaper prices.


You are correct - but it looks like he is in Norway where it must be different to what we see here in North America.

In Canada and the USA the D750 is considerably cheaper (not saying people should buy it instead)

D750: $2199 CAD
6D II $2599 CAD

D750: $1450 USD with OEM grip, memory card, and bag (not sure if that deal is still active)
6DII: $1999 USD

What are they in Norway I wonder?



Jul 04, 2017 at 10:38 AM
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CanadaMark wrote:
What are they in Norway I wonder?


Good point - I just check a store in Oslo and it's 20.279,00 KR for the 6DII and 17.679,00 KR for the D750. Could be different at other stores though, I'm not sure how to find the best deals in Norway.

But yeah, as others have said, if you have a big investment in glass it doesn't make sense to switch to save $200. For people moving to a new system though it matters - especially on the cheaper side of things. Which is why I'm really hoping Nikon can respond to the T7i, which looks amazing relative to the D5600. Both companies have their pros and cons.



Jul 04, 2017 at 10:46 AM
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