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p.14 #1 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Hello, all. First time poster here.

First, I want to say how impressed I am with the discussion here compared to other sites. Sue, there are disagreements, but people seem to be much more respectful of differing opinions here. Now on to the subject of this thread.

I currently have a Rebel T4i. I pre-ordere the 6DII. Now I guess I'm having some second thoughts. What concerns me the most--and something I did not see discussed here (although Imonly read the first 7 pages)--is the area occupied by the AF points doesn't seem to be that much larger than my T4i.

So, all of you more experienced photographers, am I thinking that's a bigger deal than it is?



Jul 01, 2017 at 08:25 AM
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p.14 #2 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


RustyBug wrote:
The point that had been made that it was "insane" that the 6D2 (i.e. FF) didn't have 4K video ... you referenced the Pentax and the Panasonic (neither of which have FF & 4K video combined either) as alternatives to achieve that specification, where Canon had not done so in the 6D2.

The Sony A7R II ... ummm, that's the same $$$ league as the 5D4 (but with only one card slot and 1/3 the battery shot rating).
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Feel free to take another swing at the FF + 4K video = 6D2 (or less) territory. I'm certain that many would love
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I've seen the image quality from the 5D4. I will keep my A7R2, thank you very kindly.

Re:"expecting the 6D2 to have FF & 4K video is based on" that it is 2017, competitive cameras have 4K video, 4K is the new standard, the body costs $2,000, and you won't get a new 6D body for another 5 years. By competitive, I mean DSLRs or mirrorless, and not necessarily FF, not that it really matters considering that the 5D4 shoots 4K in a 1.7x crop -- it doesn't even use the whole sensor. The A7S came out in 2014, it is FF, it has 4K video, can shoot in the dark, and costs $2K or less. The A7R2 came out in 2015 and a grey market body costs $2.2K right now and it has 4K, 42MP, 5-axis IS in body, etc. The A6500 has 4K in a 24MP, 5-axis IS, $1,300 crop sensor body (just like the 5D4). When the A73 comes out this year, it should come in at $2K and it will have 4K for sure. Do you want me to continue? It is 2017. This is the new standard, whether it is relevant to you or not.

As noted, you can get the A7R2 grey market for $2,200. It is not in the same $$$ league as the 5D4 because it is now far cheaper, but it is in a different league in IQ, as it is much better. Don't think so? Download the shot linked below. It is posted at full 42MP resolution.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/68498746@N08/34210492761/

The shot was taken hand-held, in harsh noon light, with the Canon 100-400 II. Oh yeah, and it shoots 4K too.

If you want to buy a 6D2, then just buy one. The irrational support of Canon is ridiculous though. They hobble their cameras and the 6D2 is no different.



Jul 01, 2017 at 08:34 AM
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p.14 #3 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


@ tjevans

My tip:

In the US you have the great opportunity to rent equipment for low budget at companies (e.g.: LensRentals) BEFORE you purchase them. That is difficult/impossible here in germany.

It will not need much time before they offer the 6D II I guess.
Check it out for yourself over a weekend and you will see, what the body gives you.

Conny

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Jul 01, 2017 at 08:37 AM
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p.14 #4 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


tjevans wrote:
Hello, all. First time poster here.

First, I want to say how impressed I am with the discussion here compared to other sites. Sue, there are disagreements, but people seem to be much more respectful of differing opinions here. Now on to the subject of this thread.

I currently have a Rebel T4i. I pre-ordere the 6DII. Now I guess I'm having some second thoughts. What concerns me the most--and something I did not see discussed here (although Imonly read the first 7 pages)--is the area occupied by the AF points doesn't seem to be that much larger than my
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Yes, 6D II has smaller AF points area than T4i or 80D which has an equal AF sensor. But it is NOT smaller than e.g. Nikon D750 prooflink
Moreover 6D II AF points correlate to the rule of thirds with cross-type points (more presize).
And there is plan B - shooting in LV that covers 80% of the frame in horizontal and lateral directions. And considering DPAF technology it is more handy than any MILC.



Jul 01, 2017 at 08:44 AM
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p.14 #5 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


tjevans wrote:
Hello, all. First time poster here.

First, I want to say how impressed I am with the discussion here compared to other sites. Sue, there are disagreements, but people seem to be much more respectful of differing opinions here. Now on to the subject of this thread.

I currently have a Rebel T4i. I pre-ordere the 6DII. Now I guess I'm having some second thoughts. What concerns me the most--and something I did not see discussed here (although Imonly read the first 7 pages)--is the area occupied by the AF points doesn't seem to be that much larger than my
...Show more

I'd rather they go out to rule of thirds locations for easier composition in camera, but I've made with the original 6D that doesn't do it either. It depends on what you are looking for/needing.

Dave



Jul 01, 2017 at 08:45 AM
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p.14 #6 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


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All in all, this new dSLR release does nothing to change my long standing view of Canon: the EOS system has excellent lenses, probably second to none, but it is in need of third party dSLRs, because Canon camera offerings lag behind the times, and they represent a very poor value for my money.


You mean "poor value" as in their cameras somehow degrade your ability to produce images that many folks around here are overwhelmed by (left-handed compliment).

Imo, using the techno-innovation yardstick as the measure of value ... well, I think it is a fallible yardstick, when the proof is already in the pudding (i.e. your images). Would folks like prices to be different ... sure, we all would enjoy more for less.

As to third party DSLR ... I'd gladly welcome Kodak back into the game (enjoyed my SLR/C), but bear in mind it was priced in the same league as Canon back in the day too. Reality check is that our beloved craft is largely proprietary (adapters notwithstanding). Should Fuji or Sigma or undertake an EF mount body, that would certainly bring an interesting twist to things ... but, that too is (presently) only pipe-dream, wish-filled, fantasy.

Now, about that 3rd party AMG for the price of a Kia.




Jul 01, 2017 at 08:54 AM
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p.14 #7 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


RustyBug wrote:
...Should Fuji or Sigma or undertake an EF mount body, that would certainly bring an interesting twist to things ... but, that too is (presently) only pipe-dream, wish-filled, fantasy...


The Canon legal department dreams about this, in technicolor.



Jul 01, 2017 at 08:58 AM
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p.14 #8 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


I kid you not about all this: I have started looking at A7R, and thinking of what the Mk III might bring to the EF table.



Jul 01, 2017 at 09:40 AM
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p.14 #9 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


PetKal wrote:
I kid you not about all this: I have started looking at A7R, and thinking of what the Mk III might bring to the EF table.


What are your thoughts so far? I've been looking at the same thing; again, no dual card slots, so not keen on the current model, but the next one hopefully. That, and the battery life



Jul 01, 2017 at 09:43 AM
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p.14 #10 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Isaacheus wrote:
What are your thoughts so far? I've been looking at the same thing; again, no dual card slots, so not keen on the current model, but the next one hopefully. That, and the battery life


My main concerns so far have been a palatable price, FF with 40+ Mp at 10+FPS, reasonably well operating AF and manageable file noise up to ISO 6400 . I can make some concessions re battery life as well as memory cards.

However, I still need to do much more reading on that topic.



Jul 01, 2017 at 09:52 AM
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p.14 #11 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


The acceptance of this camera will hang a lot on the performance of the new sensor.


Jul 01, 2017 at 10:01 AM
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p.14 #12 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


1. Include Every Feature
2. Have a Quality Build
3. At a Cheap Price

Pick any two.



Jul 01, 2017 at 11:06 AM
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p.14 #13 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


RustyBug wrote:
You mean "poor value" as in their cameras somehow degrade your ability to produce images that many folks around here are overwhelmed by (left-handed compliment).




Yes, exactly. The idea that this Canon 6D II somehow is unable to make astonishing images is amusing. In the right hands, I have seen images to die for from such horrible cameras as the Canon 6D, 5DII, and 5D3.

People contine to say how so many features missing from the 6DII are critical. Yet they are unwilling to pay for them!!

Astonishing.




Jul 01, 2017 at 11:22 AM
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p.14 #14 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


AlexDROP wrote:
Yes, 6D II has smaller AF points area than T4i or 80D which has an equal AF sensor. But it is NOT smaller than e.g. Nikon D750 prooflink
Moreover 6D II AF points correlate to the rule of thirds with cross-type points (more presize).
And there is plan B - shooting in LV that covers 80% of the frame in horizontal and lateral directions. And considering DPAF technology it is more handy than any MILC.


More handy than any MILC? I agree that LV shooting can be a decent workaround, I use this frequently on my 80D. But judging from how it works on the 80D the 'AF points' are really pretty huge AF areas, like the AF points of old generation DSLRs. You never know exactly where it is going to focus, until after the shot (maybe unless you only shoot people and use Face Detection ...). And it isn't foolproof either, in complex lighting situations it can 'focus' on nothing at all. Theoretically you can work around this with 5/10x LV magnification and manual focus, but that only works with solid camera support and a static subject. Many MILC's don't have these problems and some have additional focusing tools that the 6D2 lacks like focus peaking. Only when it comes to focus tracking in LV mode, the 6D2 possibly does better than the average MILC.

I'm not saying it's a big deal, because almost any limitation can be worked around if you know the camera well and it certainly is better than the 6D which produced many great images. But it's not state of the art either, not by far (maybe only within the Canon universe).



Jul 01, 2017 at 12:09 PM
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p.14 #15 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Did I mention that I have one on pre-order, and am selling my 6D? Did I also mention that I'm exited to get this new camera? Did I also mention that I think the camera seems to deliver a substantial upgrade in features at a low price?

No entry level camera has dual card slots, a joystick, or some of the other things that are a deal breaker for some. I find that this camera, in the hands of a capable photographer, will put a smile on their face that will last a long time. Sure, there are downsides to this offering, but there are also things that I've been waiting for for a long time, they are finally here, and I am in line to get mine. Did I mention that I can't wait?

This thread is textbook from what one would expect, no matter what this camera brought to the table. If the camera offered all the bells and whistles of the 5D Mk IV at this price, the thread would be about how skeptical people would be about buying it because there is too much to like at a rock bottom price. I had predicted that the 5D Mk IV would be a great seller when it was in this same developing stage as this 6d Mk II, and it was poo-pooed by all of the reviewers on youtube and on here, but it is now the one to get. I predict the same thing about this camera.

I can't wait to have this camera and my 80D side by side, and FINALLY be able to use the touch articulating screen on both of them. This is what I had asked for, and Canon delivered, to the satisfaction of many and the disappointment of a few. In the end, the people who will own this camera will be providing pictures that will be very capable, and for the price, not a deal breaker. The 6D was a real disappointment to me after the 11 pt focus point abomination, but this delivery of the all cross type focus points is a huge improvement, albeit not the best.

I can't wait to let go of the 6D, merely based on the archaic interface where I keep grabbing at the screen to do all of the menu tasks that I'm so delighted to take advantage of in the 80D. That to me is worth the trade in, if nothing else, and the added pixel size of the new sensor and the increased FPS that gets in in the ballpark of the 80D is a very welcomed addition. The 4k issue had been beaten to death, and then beaten to death again, and I'm sure it will be beaten to death some more, but if that's someone's biggest complaint, then I'm happy because I find absolutely no desire to have it. I forget that my 6D even has a movie mode, and when I switch to the movie mode, I curse the darned thing because it's useless to me.

That being said, I love the look of 4k videos and my computer is more than capable of dealing with 4k, but I don't care for the extra R&D wasted on something I'd never use. The in camera 5 axis stabilization is something that could be a good thing for videographers, but I don't like the fact that I'm paying for something that I have absolutely no use for, and would rather have that extra half of a frame per second, in lieu if that feature, but it really doesn't work like that, as much as I see here on this post. You can't just believe that you can look at this camera like something that's crippled and start unlocking features like it was a viable option. It isn't, as much as the narrative would have you believe that was the case.

I am excited to have the opportunity to trade in my 6D for this new camera, and the main thing I will miss is the use of Magic Lantern for a while, maybe forever.
I know that ML is mainly for movie use, but I find it helps a lot with still photography as well. This is going to be fun checking out all of the new features of this new camera, and it will finally be a realization of the 80D transformed into a full frame big brother, even if there are a few minor things that are in reality, not present.



Jul 01, 2017 at 12:49 PM
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p.14 #16 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


I have to add, however, that the people who are complaining about the lack of 4k in this new offering would be disappointed once again in the 4k codec or something else, just like they were in the 5D Mk IV. I would like to know if that means it isn't such a deal breaker then, knowing that the 4k wouldn't be "good enough" for the video aficionados here.

That being said, how would people react to a substandard codec offering in the 6D Mk II if it's just like the one in the 5D Mk IV?



Jul 01, 2017 at 04:04 PM
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p.14 #17 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


tjevans wrote:
Hello, all. First time poster here.

First, I want to say how impressed I am with the discussion here compared to other sites. Sue, there are disagreements, but people seem to be much more respectful of differing opinions here. Now on to the subject of this thread.

I currently have a Rebel T4i. I pre-ordere the 6DII. Now I guess I'm having some second thoughts. What concerns me the most--and something I did not see discussed here (although Imonly read the first 7 pages)--is the area occupied by the AF points doesn't seem to be that much larger than my
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It appears that 6DII has same AF sensor as 80D. So, AF area should be same for both of these cameras. But 6DII being a FF has a larger sensor. So, AF spread will cover a smaller part of the sensor compared to APSC 80D.
How big a deal is it? A lot depends on your shooting style but usually it's not a big deal. You will soon get used to it.



Jul 01, 2017 at 04:53 PM
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p.14 #18 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


SoftImage wrote:
It appears that 6DII has same AF sensor as 80D. So, AF area should be same for both of these cameras. But 6DII being a FF has a larger sensor. So, AF spread will cover a smaller part of the sensor compared to APSC 80D.
How big a deal is it? A lot depends on your shooting style but usually it's not a big deal. You will soon get used to it.


What if Canon put out two models of the 6D2 -- a $2,000 model with the current focus point spread, and a $2,100 model with the same coverage of the viewfinder as the 80D? And you had to buy one, which one would you buy?



Jul 01, 2017 at 04:59 PM
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bootster wrote:
I have to add, however, that the people who are complaining about the lack of 4k in this new offering would be disappointed once again in the 4k codec or something else, just like they were in the 5D Mk IV. I would like to know if that means it isn't such a deal breaker then, knowing that the 4k wouldn't be "good enough" for the video aficionados here.

That being said, how would people react to a substandard codec offering in the 6D Mk II if it's just like the one in the 5D Mk IV?


So the video is not compatible with standard codecs? Do you use a converter?

EBH



Jul 01, 2017 at 05:00 PM
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George Orwell wrote:
Yes, exactly. The idea that this Canon 6D II somehow is unable to make astonishing images is amusing. In the right hands, I have seen images to die for from such horrible cameras as the Canon 6D, 5DII, and 5D3.

People contine to say how so many features missing from the 6DII are critical. Yet they are unwilling to pay for them!!

Astonishing.



I see some did not get the point. It is not that 6D2 will be bad camera and in the right hands bla bla bla. It is about the missing features like 4k video, dual card slots in 2017 new camera seems quite pathetic. Cheaper cameras have that. The only excuse Canon has, it wants $1000 extra for that...go figure



Jul 01, 2017 at 05:01 PM
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