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p.13 #1 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Canon and Nikon have a long and well established tradition of pricing their mid & upper tier dSLRs as Veblen merchandise, i.e., they aim to increase sales by elevating prices well beyond of what is reasonable for mass produced consumers electronics of questionable technological novelty.

That might have worked well for them in the past, however, times are changing: the dSLR technology has matured, and there are more competing brands and systems in the market today.

I hope people may see that $2,000 US is way too much money for an absolutely uninspired consumers dSLR which is based on a warmed-up 5 year old camera with a thin sprinkling of 1-2 year old "enhancements".




Jul 01, 2017 at 05:12 AM
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p.13 #2 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


PetKal wrote:
I hope people may see that $2,000 US is way too much money for an absolutely uninspired consumers dSLR which is based on a warmed-up 5 year old camera with a thin sprinkling of 1-2 year old "enhancements".



Agreed, I just don't see much to get excited about in the 6D2



Jul 01, 2017 at 05:41 AM
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p.13 #3 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Unless I am mistaken, all the missing features that people are complaining about are available in Canon's higher priced cameras.

Why are people so unwilling to pay for things that they want?

Why is it expected that Canon should give away these features for free?

Giving away features is not "innovation".

Do these same people walk into a Mercedes dealer and demand an E class car for $30,000?




Jul 01, 2017 at 05:41 AM
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p.13 #4 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


6D II is a nicely specd entry level camera. Is it bad? Surely not. It is superior to mark I in many terms or at least equal in the rest. Will I buy it? Yes. The only question is at what price. I can wait about a year to find 200-500$ price decrease. And I hope Nikon and Sony with new products announsments will help (urge) Canon to decrease prices sooner than later.

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Jul 01, 2017 at 05:49 AM
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p.13 #5 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


dhphoto wrote:
Agreed, I just don't see much to get excited about in the 6D2


Same here. Except the fact that the "new" 6D (II) will bring down the price of the original one, that already had anything I need and wish. Except the joystick. But I saw in 6D II they forgot it again.

What Canon did is to listen and react upon the "winers". Althoug the 6Ds AF for my needs and use was the best and most accurate available 5 years ago, the folks where crying it medicre/not up to date. So what Canon did is to serve this important item. High ISO IQ was already best and based on the infos out it might be raised marginal (at 6MP more which again I do not want nor need.

By the way. Did I see anybody crying about the 98% viefinder this time? The 97% 5 years ago where an absolut "nogo" for many. For me it never caused any problem. But raising it from 97 to 98 after 5 years sounds like a joke.




Jul 01, 2017 at 05:50 AM
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p.13 #6 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


The max FPS of 6.5 FPS is a good illustration of Canon Camera Division utterly manipulative approach to 6DII engineering and specs.

6DII couldn't do 7 FPS, right, based on "technology limitations", so it had to be kept at 1/2 FPS lower ? Bull. They wanted to have better lineup segmentation "optics" so that on paper at least 5DMkIV has a higher FPS spec (by 1/2 FPS).

Do they really think that their customers are morons who will place any value on 1/2 FPS paper difference between the two cameras ?



Jul 01, 2017 at 06:38 AM
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George Orwell wrote:
Unless I am mistaken, all the missing features that people are complaining about are available in Canon's higher priced cameras. /snip

Do these same people walk into a Mercedes dealer and demand an E class car for $30,000?


In my case, unfortunately, I'm lamenting the missing features from older cheaper cameras from Canon. Max SS and x-sync are the two coming to mind at this early hour. Not everyone is expecting a 5D IV or 1DX for less. I do agree with your point though.

Automobiles are completely different though. To continue with M-B, throw AMG into the mix and all sorts of price/performance questions arise.



Jul 01, 2017 at 06:43 AM
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PetKal wrote:
The max FPS of 6.5 FPS is a good illustration of Canon Camera Division utterly manipulative approach to 6DII engineering and specs.

6DII couldn't do 7 FPS, right, based on "technology limitations", so it had to be kept at 1/2 FPS lower ? Bull. They wanted to have better lineup segmentation "optics" so that on paper at least 5DMkIV has a higher FPS spec (by 1/2 FPS).

Do they really think that their customers are morons who will place any value on 1/2 FPS paper difference between the two cameras ?


That's not uncommon. In car industry, say BMW, they often have models that are quite similar in performance, but they will lower the hp of the cheaper one so that it can't out accelerate the more expensive one.

If you want a faster camera, buy the more expensive one. Need 4K? Same thing. If you can get better camera system at lower price, then go for it. That's competition. By all accounts, Canon is still competing well enough. Once they don't they will need to rethink their strategy. Sony for example, release new models every year almost, and that is something I am not interested in. A camera is not a phone that you buy every year. Like you stated earlier, the difference in photo quality is dependent more on technique than the gear to a degree. Once you have a decent gear, technique and artistry trumps everything.



Jul 01, 2017 at 07:08 AM
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JaimitoFrog wrote:
That's not uncommon. In car industry, say BMW, they often have models that are quite similar in performance, but they will lower the hp of the cheaper one so that it can't out accelerate the more expensive one.

If you want a faster camera, buy the more expensive one. Need 4K? Same thing.


Exactly. PAY for the features you want/need. Incessant whining makes forums exceedingly tiring.






Jul 01, 2017 at 07:20 AM
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Brea wrote:
That's odd, what kinda devices are 95% of people viewing their media on? That's right, laptops, phones. tablets. You said 4k is needed? Sure... my household barely touches the TV.


IMHO, resolution of the source material stills/audio/video will be of great significance given the passage of time.
What filled your display yesterday could look like a blurry postage stamp tomorrow. :-/



Jul 01, 2017 at 07:20 AM
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doesn't mean that Canon should be absolved of not offering it either.

Unless there are some pretty drastic price cuts the 6D2 is going to be a hard sell for people who are new to FF and looking to pick a system.



The fact that Toyota could offer a Lexus for the price of a Toyota doesn't absolve them of not offering it either ... that's kinda the same hogwash of the first statement. Pentax COULD have included 4K video in the K-1, but didn't. Nikon COULD have included 4K video in the D610, but didn't. Sony COULD have priced the A7R II at $2,000, but didn't ... I don't see folks claiming insanity and decrying absolution for those companies bringing their products to market as they saw fit.

Why people feel they have some ordained expertise to expect Canon to do what nobody else has done, and crucify Canon for not bringing the Caviar & Champagne for the price of a Hot Dog & Coke is what is really the absurdity of a double standard.

Imo, the 6D2 will be a VERY GOOD sell for those wanting FF entry. The original version 6D (which is a bargain now, btw) had a few shortcomings (AF @ f/8, etc.) that put some folks off. That has been improved ... AND, oh BTW ... Canon LISTENED to the market clamor for FF with a fully articulating display, ala big brother to the 80D, please. This is what they have brought to the market ... I expect it to sell very well for those coming into FF for the first time.

Also, realize this ... many of those who have NEVER shot FF, have shot smaller cameras with articulating displays and touch screen and the other techno-goodies NFC, GPS, etc. that Canon HAS put into the 6D2. Imo, There are FAR MORE current non-FF users in the masses of "new to FF" that want articulating display, and the geo-tagging than those who care about the 4K video.

It is speculation on your part (and mine) at this point as to whether it will be a "hard sell" or "winner" for Canon. But, I'll go on record and state that the 6D2 will be a GOOD SELL for Canon, despite the claims of "insanity" for leaving out the 4K video. Folks will wade through all the negative noise about the lack of 4K video ... only to find they have to spend more $$$ to get 4K video (i.e. Sony, 5D4, etc.) and then realize that the REASON they want FF isn't for the 4K video (which they can get in non-FF packages), thus the main thing for moving to FF is to get ... ummm, FF.

Sure, folks can WISH they could get 4K video & FF for the lowest price point in the FF market ... but that's just unrealistic. I can WISH to get the Navigation System and Panoramic glass with 4X4 for the price of the entry level Jeep ... but am I gonna bash Jeep for OMG having an entry level SUV with less features than their better equipped / appointed models? Seriously, why do folks think that Canon should be expected to conduct business in the "let's give it away" mode, when it is fully understood (although, apparently not by those claiming "insanity") that the marketplace is predicated upon what the market will bear and mfr's DO bring variant models to the market.

Imo, such claims of "insanity" are evidence of hyperbole, lack of mature understanding and / or cyber-sensationalism. Suggesting that Canon isn't "absolved" ... isn't much better.

In the end, the 6D2 is what it is .. and it is a BETER (equipped with AF @f/8, etc.) FF than its predecessor, at a BETTER price point than the original 6D release price. It has a BETTER articulating display than any FF on the market. Do the math and Canon gave the market MORE (than the original 6D) for LESS (than the original 6D) ... and yet, folks want to claim things of "insanity", "absolved", and just generally bash Canon for not fulfilling their fantastic fantasy of give me everything for nothing.

6D2 ... don't like it, don't buy it (it wasn't built for you). Go spend your money on something else to get your FF + 4K video.




Jul 01, 2017 at 07:24 AM
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JaimitoFrog wrote:
That's not uncommon. In car industry, say BMW, they often have models that are quite similar in performance, but they will lower the hp of the cheaper one so that it can't out accelerate the more expensive one. /snip

Fortunately automobiles can be easily modified for performance ;-) If only Canon offered an M6D Mark II. Or a Dinan. . .



Jul 01, 2017 at 07:26 AM
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I have used the 6D for over 4 years now and generally enjoyed it. It has nice image quality and deals particularly well with high ISO.

I'm also confident the new 6D Mark II will be an excellent camera.

What held the original 6D back for me? (1) Every focus point but the center one honestly is hit and miss for accuracy and ability to focus lock. I've had to give up on my desired composition or shoot live view on many occasions to nail focus. (2) The frame per second rate is very slow.

It's value and dollars. Are you getting enough improvement for your $2,000? YES? Buy it! NO? Don't buy it... or wait for it to get cheaper.

Dave



Jul 01, 2017 at 07:33 AM
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PetKal wrote:
Do they really think that their customers are morons who will place any value on 1/2 FPS paper difference between the two cameras ?


Then why would folks bitch about 1/2 fps if it is so readily recognized as being of insignificant value ... I'm sure not gonna sweat 1/2 FPS. In fact, I was actually pleasantly surprised that they went that high with it. Glass 1/2 empty vs. 1/2 full, but I agree that 1/2 fps isn't worth sweating over ... yet, folks will try and bash Canon for anything they can, as if it was the cardinal sin.

Normally, we are on the same page (free pass for this one ), but I'm not sure that suggesting Canon thinks their customers are morons is where they were at with it. Rather, I think they saw 6.5 as 6 + a bonus.

Again, 1/2 empty vs. 1/2 full ... folks looking for something to complain about will surely find it. That said, the 1/180 sync speed did surprise me a touch on the 1/2 empty side of things. Most of the rest ... pretty much where I expected things to land.



Jul 01, 2017 at 07:33 AM
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Red Marx wrote:
If only Canon offered an M6D Mark II. Or a Dinan. . .


Or a custom Build To Order service ... how sweet would that be.

I could order it with dual slots and 1/250 sync and wider (not more points) AF coverage and make it an "R" version without the AA filter (or offset anyway) ... and no video.

BTW ... I want it for under a $1,000



Jul 01, 2017 at 07:37 AM
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RustyBug wrote:
The fact that Toyota could offer a Lexus for the price of a Toyota doesn't absolve them of not offering it either ... that's kinda the same hogwash of the first statement. Pentax COULD have included 4K video in the K-1, but didn't. Nikon COULD have included 4K video in the D610, but didn't. Sony COULD have priced the A7R II at $2,000, but didn't ... I don't see folks claiming insanity and decrying absolution for those companies bringing their products to market as they saw fit.

Why people feel they have some ordained expertise to expect Canon to do
...Show more

I think the issue here is that people:

#1 Don't perceive Canon as being an innovative company
#2 Feel features are withheld, often times that are not hardware limitations but instead software, that keep the products from filling their needs and don't see enough benefit to go one more model upstream
#3 Feel locked into to Canon because of lens, flash, etc... investments

It's the same thing almost every release.

Dave



Jul 01, 2017 at 07:38 AM
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RustyBug wrote:
Or a custom Build To Order service ... how sweet would that be.

I could order it with dual slots and 1/250 sync and wider (not more points) AF coverage and make it an "R" version without the AA filter (or offset anyway) ... and no video.

BTW ... I want it for under a $1,000


Yes, I am with you.
Center AF only, but smaller. No Video. Fixed screen, And the joystick as an add on modul! At 800?

Conny




Jul 01, 2017 at 08:00 AM
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p.13 #18 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Ralph Conway wrote:
Yes, I am with you.
Center AF only, but smaller. No Video. Fixed screen, And the joystick as an add on modul! At 800?

Conny

At $800 ...

ROFLMAO



Jul 01, 2017 at 08:11 AM
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p.13 #19 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


All in all, this new dSLR release does nothing to change my long standing view of Canon: the EOS system has excellent lenses, probably second to none, but it is in need of third party dSLRs, because Canon camera offerings lag behind the times, and they represent a very poor value for my money.


Jul 01, 2017 at 08:15 AM
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RustyBug wrote:
At $800 ...

ROFLMAO



At $ 800 all together. Not the joystick only.

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