Fred Miranda wrote: GMPhotography wrotechez wroteGMPhotography wroteMJKoski wroteI'm waiting for Fred's (or anyone else for that matter) proper landscape shots with the lens. Random walls and trees will not budge for me.So a F8 image is basically what you are going to get. What does that tell you. Very strange comment to be honest. Your shooting at a lens sweat spot and learning nothing about close or mid range images only basically infinity. F8 on just about any lens at infinity will not tell you much. To each his own but I do find this a limiting request for quality.The only test that counts is a test that mimics how you plan to use the lens. If you only use the lens for landscape at infinity stopped down to f8 - f11, you probably have zero interest how the lens behaves at close focus wide open...at least I would.
The same goes for cameras...I shoot my A7R from ISO 100-800, really don't care what the images look like at ISO 6400.Honestly than you never need to read a mtf chart and can ignore all testing. F8 on any lens at infinity will work. Horses for courses . You won't even be able to tell if you have a bad lens. As most of the problems will most likely be in the sky. I'm sorry it's just very narrow minded. I mean your never going to take a shot of your family or anything like that. Maybe I did not have enough espresso this morning and what is proper mean. Well I'll go shoot my wall and anyone can ignore it but it's important to know what a lens can do regardless how you intend to use it. But whatever floats your boat.With today's high megapixel sensors, I'm not sure this is true anymore. Used to be that around f/8-f/11 there were only minor resolution differences between lenses except for rendering and aberration control (zooms or primes). That was the 10-20MP era.
Now, with 40-50MP+ and future 70-100MP+ sensors differences between lenses are very apparent even at f/8.
For landscape photographers, the most used apertures are f/8 or smaller, making the new 24-70GM excellent across the entire frame including extreme edges. However, I would not hesitate shooting a wider apertures.
My go to set-up is: Loxia 21/2.8, RX1RII (32mm) and Loxia 50/2 but whenever changing lenses is not recommended, the 24-70GM will be my only lens. -- with the CV 15/4.5 on my pocket for ultra-wide emergencies. ...Show more →
Fred:
Would you say it's as sharp as the Canon lens for landscapes? That lens is crazy sharp.
GMPhotography wrote:
Just making sure we have a good copy before our returns run out. This thing needs to sing before I put a client gig on the line
chrisgibbs wroteMJKoski wroteThree things:
1) F/8 is still a feat to get right with R2. Crappy lenses will not deliver even at f/8 with this body.
2) Yes, horses for the courses. If I want to play with shallow DoF I will use a T/S lens. No ordinary lens can touch the possibilities for smudging out the useless objects around the subject.
3) Lots of praise for new things, but very few artistic examples with these mega-lenses in actual use
SAL 24-70 delivers almost nasty contrast at f/8, perfect for landscape use if such focal length is the goal.What do you expect reference 'artistic examples' most real users are still pulling the tape off of the UPS boxes. I wish most online commentators actually had websites or at least web galleries displaying their work so we better know what we're all relating to reference 'art & quality.'
Absolutely, with a zoom that's often tougher than it looks, these things can be at best schizophrenic at best in real world use, I've still no real idea as to any potential flare issues with this thing. Thanks for the tests BTW, every little thing helps!!!
Schlotkins wrote: GMPhotography wroteI'm sorry I'm a little pissy this morning too. My damn refund has not hit my paypal account and my GM 85 is in my dealers hand yesterday ready to ship. Now I have to ask my wife if I can borrow money out our checking account. That's going to cost me a 1200 dollar freaking purse. Lol
Damnit no wonder you were a little short. And yes pun intended.
I may have found a bug. On 12.5 magnification at 24mm sometimes it won't hold and goes back to full frame viewing . Happened at 70 too.
Now this is in manual focus mode and I need to check my camera I have C1 to magnify but the lens also is set to that. Maybe the lens focus hold does not like it set to magnify instead. Not sure have to play around . But makes me wonder what that firmware update was about. Anyone run into this please report. I'm going to try a few settings and see if it's some kind of electronic crosstalk or something. Not panic mode either. I'm keeping the lens
GMPhotography wrote:
I'm sorry I'm a little pissy this morning too. My damn refund has not hit my paypal account and my GM 85 is in my dealers hand yesterday ready to ship. Now I have to ask my wife if I can borrow money out our checking account. That's going to cost me a 1200 dollar freaking purse. Lol
Damnit
Rule #1: Never borrow money from your wife! My advice is to use a loan shark.
Fred Miranda wrote: GMPhotography wroteI'm sorry I'm a little pissy this morning too. My damn refund has not hit my paypal account and my GM 85 is in my dealers hand yesterday ready to ship. Now I have to ask my wife if I can borrow money out our checking account. That's going to cost me a 1200 dollar freaking purse. Lol
DamnitRule #1: Never borrow money from your wife! My advice is to use a loan shark.
Schlotkins wrote: Fred Miranda wroteGMPhotography wrotechez wroteGMPhotography wroteMJKoski wroteI'm waiting for Fred's (or anyone else for that matter) proper landscape shots with the lens. Random walls and trees will not budge for me.So a F8 image is basically what you are going to get. What does that tell you. Very strange comment to be honest. Your shooting at a lens sweat spot and learning nothing about close or mid range images only basically infinity. F8 on just about any lens at infinity will not tell you much. To each his own but I do find this a limiting request for quality.The only test that counts is a test that mimics how you plan to use the lens. If you only use the lens for landscape at infinity stopped down to f8 - f11, you probably have zero interest how the lens behaves at close focus wide open...at least I would.
The same goes for cameras...I shoot my A7R from ISO 100-800, really don't care what the images look like at ISO 6400.Honestly than you never need to read a mtf chart and can ignore all testing. F8 on any lens at infinity will work. Horses for courses . You won't even be able to tell if you have a bad lens. As most of the problems will most likely be in the sky. I'm sorry it's just very narrow minded. I mean your never going to take a shot of your family or anything like that. Maybe I did not have enough espresso this morning and what is proper mean. Well I'll go shoot my wall and anyone can ignore it but it's important to know what a lens can do regardless how you intend to use it. But whatever floats your boat.With today's high megapixel sensors, I'm not sure this is true anymore. Used to be that around f/8-f/11 there were only minor resolution differences between lenses except for rendering and aberration control (zooms or primes). That was the 10-20MP era.
Now, with 40-50MP+ and future 70-100MP+ sensors differences between lenses are very apparent even at f/8.
For landscape photographers, the most used apertures are f/8 or smaller, making the new 24-70GM excellent across the entire frame including extreme edges. However, I would not hesitate shooting a wider apertures.
My go to set-up is: Loxia 21/2.8, RX1RII (32mm) and Loxia 50/2 but whenever changing lenses is not recommended, the 24-70GM will be my only lens. -- with the CV 15/4.5 on my pocket for ultra-wide emergencies. Fred:
Would you say it's as sharp as the Canon lens for landscapes? That lens is crazy sharp.
Thanks,
Chris
I had a very good copy of the Canon and it was excellent at the wider range on the 5D Mark III. (~20MP)
I never tested it on the 5DSR so I'm not sure if the IQ held at higher frequencies. I can tell for sure that the mid-field and edges at 70mm look better on the Sony.
GMPhotography wrote: Fred Miranda wroteGMPhotography wroteI'm sorry I'm a little pissy this morning too. My damn refund has not hit my paypal account and my GM 85 is in my dealers hand yesterday ready to ship. Now I have to ask my wife if I can borrow money out our checking account. That's going to cost me a 1200 dollar freaking purse. Lol
DamnitRule #1: Never borrow money from your wife! My advice is to use a loan shark. Exactly Fred.
Its like signing your death warrant
BTW: My 85/1.4 GM shipped today. I will be in Mammoth Lakes until Saturday. (Had to extend my trip in order to get some clouds on this sky!)
GMPhotography wrote:
I may have found a bug. On 12.5 magnification at 24mm sometimes it won't hold and goes back to full frame viewing . Happened at 70 too.
Now this is in manual focus mode and I need to check my camera I have C1 to magnify but the lens also is set to that. Maybe the lens focus hold does not like it set to magnify instead. Not sure have to play around . But makes me wonder what that firmware update was about. Anyone run into this please report. I'm going to try a few settings and see if it's some kind of electronic crosstalk or something. Not panic mode either. I'm keeping the lens...Show more →
YES....... Had that too the other day, but I'm so inept at testing thought I must have tapped the shutter release or something!!! Good catch.
Fred Miranda wrote: GMPhotography wroteFred Miranda wroteGMPhotography wroteI'm sorry I'm a little pissy this morning too. My damn refund has not hit my paypal account and my GM 85 is in my dealers hand yesterday ready to ship. Now I have to ask my wife if I can borrow money out our checking account. That's going to cost me a 1200 dollar freaking purse. Lol
DamnitRule #1: Never borrow money from your wife! My advice is to use a loan shark. Exactly Fred.
Its like signing your death warrantBTW: My 85/1.4 GM shipped today. I will be in Mammoth Lakes until Saturday. (Had to extend my trip in order to get some clouds on this sky!)
Got lucky it cost me a cup of coffee. Shipping today as well. Ill have mine on Friday
Chris, I had the exact same experience with my 24-70mm GM - everything was extremely sharp except the extreme right edge of the frame. I shot hundreds of frames in many different conditions, compared it to other lenses at the same focal lengths and apertures as well, and kept seeing the issue pop up, although it was minor. Still, mine is going back to B&H today, sadly.
Okay QUICKLY looking at the wall test. This is maybe better in the corners than what I thought. 28mm maybe the best in the corners. 70mm maybe the weak spot on center which does not make sense since they where so good on the casual shots and i had a little trouble focusing on the wall. Reason I say that F4 is a big difference on center, so I may have missed my focus. But good news on all focal lengths the corners are really good on both sides. So looks like I have a nicely centers copy. Centrally its very very good for a zoom. Honestly this may rival some primes
Now this will take me some to get this up on the forum as I am going to pit the Sigma 24-35 up against it. But so far looks really good folks. My initial thoughts on quality of file certainly look to be holding true
petermendelson wrote:
Chris, I had the exact same experience with my 24-70mm GM - everything was extremely sharp except the extreme right edge of the frame. I shot hundreds of frames in many different conditions, compared it to other lenses at the same focal lengths and apertures as well, and kept seeing the issue pop up, although it was minor. Still, mine is going back to B&H today, sadly.
I'm with you Peter. Mine looks so nice right across the frame @f/2.8 (I'm shocked how good) apart from that last right-side 10% (which is still pretty darn good though).
I think I'll keep mine until I see stock at B&H, hopefully they'll get some within a week or two....... It'll give me a chance to use it on a few of my OOF artsy gigs that are coming up. Lol ~Chris
GMPhotography wrote:
I may have found a bug. On 12.5 magnification at 24mm sometimes it won't hold and goes back to full frame viewing . Happened at 70 too.
Now this is in manual focus mode and I need to check my camera I have C1 to magnify but the lens also is set to that. Maybe the lens focus hold does not like it set to magnify instead. Not sure have to play around . But makes me wonder what that firmware update was about. Anyone run into this please report. I'm going to try a few settings and see if it's some kind of electronic crosstalk or something. Not panic mode either. I'm keeping the lens...Show more →
OT: have you ever figured out a way to get the magnification to start at 12.5 instead of having to go through 5x first?
ecarlino wrote: GMPhotography wroteI may have found a bug. On 12.5 magnification at 24mm sometimes it won't hold and goes back to full frame viewing . Happened at 70 too.
Now this is in manual focus mode and I need to check my camera I have C1 to magnify but the lens also is set to that. Maybe the lens focus hold does not like it set to magnify instead. Not sure have to play around . But makes me wonder what that firmware update was about. Anyone run into this please report. I'm going to try a few settings and see if it's some kind of electronic crosstalk or something. Not panic mode either. I'm keeping the lensOT: have you ever figured out a way to get the magnification to start at 12.5 instead of having to go through 5x first?