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Archive 2016Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
p.3 #1Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
Since we are all feeling good about this zoom, should I compare it to the Loxia 21?
Go for it, Fred
! Why not?
Since we are all feeling good about this zoom, should I compare it to the Loxia 21?
Go for it, Fred
! Why not?Apr 01, 2016 at 06:02 PM
p.3 #2Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Ok, I'm preparing the 24-70GM @ 24mm vs Loxia 21mm crops. I have not seen it yet. I want to see at the same time as you guys.
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:05 PM
p.3 #3Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Don't worry, this thread won't be just about boring crops. I will take this lens to Mono Lake for spring break so the real test can begin. 
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:06 PM
p.3 #4Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Running to early dinner check in later. Looking great
I'll add my tests next week so we can keep all the data together if Fred wants me too.
I'll add my tests next week so we can keep all the data together if Fred wants me too.
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:12 PM
p.3 #5Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Start looking at the center crops:
Zoom @24mm (left) - Loxia 21mm (right)
"CENTER"
https://www.fredmiranda.com/Buzz/zoomvsloxia.jpg
FE 24-70GM @24mm | Loxia 21/2.8
Extreme corners coming next...
Zoom @24mm (left) - Loxia 21mm (right)
"CENTER"
https://www.fredmiranda.com/Buzz/zoomvsloxia.jpg
Extreme corners coming next...
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:12 PM
p.3 #6Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Remember the Loxia 21 has mild field curvature at infinity distances, so I focused at infinity but in a way that center and extreme edges look best. (If I had just focused on the infinity center, it would look even better)
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:14 PM
p.3 #7Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
The zoom is impressive! At f/2.8 the image of the zoom appears even sharper than that of the Loxia. Does it have to do with the field curvature of the Loxia and the way you focused it then?
It seems that the sweet spot of the zoom at 24mm is at f/5.6 while at 70mm, it is at f/8.
It seems that the sweet spot of the zoom at 24mm is at f/5.6 while at 70mm, it is at f/8.
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:20 PM
p.3 #8Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
It'll be interesting to see how all that new Sony lens voodoo looks when this thing is shot at 24, wide-open and close-focussed in Photojournalist mode. It's certainly more than sharp enough for those f/8 pictorial tasks.
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:23 PM
p.3 #9Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Zoom @24mm (left) - Loxia 21mm (right)
"EXTREME EDGES"
https://www.fredmiranda.com/Buzz/zoomvsloxia-edges.jpg
FE 24-70GM @24mm | Loxia 21/2.8
"EXTREME EDGES"
https://www.fredmiranda.com/Buzz/zoomvsloxia-edges.jpg
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:24 PM
p.3 #10Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Past 50 for me and even 60 . I'll be grabbing the 85 anyway on most occasions . 24,28,35 and 50 are more important for me at least
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:26 PM
p.3 #11Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
OK, Loxia 21mm owners can breath a sigh of relief now .
.Apr 01, 2016 at 06:27 PM
p.3 #12Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
AGeoJO wrote:
Does it have to do with the field curvature of the Loxia and the way you focused it then?
Yes, If I would focus on the center, the extreme edges would suffer slightly and vice-versa. The way I focused gives the best of both worlds. I agree that the zoom at 24mm is really good. Still, the Loxia takes the cake at the edges.
Look at the extreme corners. Very little change from f/4 until f/8.
Does it have to do with the field curvature of the Loxia and the way you focused it then?
Yes, If I would focus on the center, the extreme edges would suffer slightly and vice-versa. The way I focused gives the best of both worlds. I agree that the zoom at 24mm is really good. Still, the Loxia takes the cake at the edges.
Look at the extreme corners. Very little change from f/4 until f/8.
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:28 PM
p.3 #13Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
I am surprised. Sony's stated philospohy was to make a sharp lens with a high level of pleasing bokeh. But even with the chasing of extreme micro-contrast more typical of Zeiss lenses, it holds its own quite well. The Loxia 50 sure has the edge at wider apertures, probably due to a combination of micro-contrast optimization, faster native aperture (f/2.8 is already stopped down a full stop), and the Zeiss T* coatings. This looks to be a seriously good lens. And Fred has done nothing with Bokeh, one of its strongest design goals. Pretty impressed all around with this lens.
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:28 PM
p.3 #14Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
AGeoJO wrote:
OK, Loxia 21mm owners can breath a sigh of relief now.
I was afraid the Loxia 21 would suck and Guy would put it for sale!
OK, Loxia 21mm owners can breath a sigh of relief now
.I was afraid the Loxia 21 would suck and Guy would put it for sale!
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:29 PM
p.3 #15Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
At 24mm the zoom is still getting sharper in the corners/edges @ f/8 before entering diffraction territory, so IMO it's sweet spot is f/8 for landscape use. The edges are much better than the 24-70 f/4 FE but I'm not sure if the performance is commensurate with the price.
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:36 PM
p.3 #16Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
.I was afraid the Loxia 21 would suck and Guy would put it for sale!
I just checked the stock of that lens at B&H again and it is still available
. Not that I didn't get tempted but I am holding out for the new Batis 18mm, which will transition better from the 24mm end of this G Master zoom.
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AGeoJO wrote
OK, Loxia 21mm owners can breath a sigh of relief now.I just checked the stock of that lens at B&H again and it is still available
. Not that I didn't get tempted but I am holding out for the new Batis 18mm, which will transition better from the 24mm end of this G Master zoom. View previous versions
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:37 PM
p.3 #17Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Much better, AG. No contest in the corners, which is to be expected. Micro-contrast is the essence of 'sharpness', which is why CZ have been using it since the '50s.
The L50/2 is very strong in the center AND the far corner at best aperture of f5.6 - it makes 65-75% contrast (modulation) in these areas. This is why the 'extreme edges' L50 f5.6 crop looks so good vs the zoom, and why the zoom gets better at f8 but not the L50.
The zoom won't match the Loxia or any very good 21-25mm Distagons in the outer frame at its wide end (at any working aperture), but will get close in the center. The zoom does better than expected, these are very high magnifications. At 70mm you should see a better result for it at f8 than at the wide end, going by Sony's data. Thanks Fred.
The L50/2 is very strong in the center AND the far corner at best aperture of f5.6 - it makes 65-75% contrast (modulation) in these areas. This is why the 'extreme edges' L50 f5.6 crop looks so good vs the zoom, and why the zoom gets better at f8 but not the L50.
The zoom won't match the Loxia or any very good 21-25mm Distagons in the outer frame at its wide end (at any working aperture), but will get close in the center. The zoom does better than expected, these are very high magnifications. At 70mm you should see a better result for it at f8 than at the wide end, going by Sony's data. Thanks Fred.
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:37 PM
p.3 #18Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, If I would focus on the center, the extreme edges would suffer slightly and vice-versa. The way I focused gives the best of both worlds. I agree that the zoom at 24mm is really good. Still, the Loxia takes the cake at the edges.
With the same token, Fred, it is also possible that the zoom suffers some field curvature also albeit not as bad as the Loxia, right? What I am trying to say is with some slight focus adjustment, the corners may be rendered better than what it did in corner or extreme edges here in this test. It is too early to rule that out or in at this point, correct?
AGeoJO wrote
Does it have to do with the field curvature of the Loxia and the way you focused it then?With the same token, Fred, it is also possible that the zoom suffers some field curvature also albeit not as bad as the Loxia, right? What I am trying to say is with some slight focus adjustment, the corners may be rendered better than what it did in corner or extreme edges here in this test. It is too early to rule that out or in at this point, correct?
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:45 PM
p.3 #19Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Thank you for those detailed tests, Fred.
I didn't expect the GM to match any of the Zeiss or Sony CZ primes like the 55 1.8, but for a zoom it looks quite good. Thankfully, I'm not in the market for a standard zoom
.
Just out of curiosity and because I haven't used any standard zooms in what feels like ages, how does the GM stack up to other 24-70 2.8's like the version II of Canon's 24-70?
I didn't expect the GM to match any of the Zeiss or Sony CZ primes like the 55 1.8, but for a zoom it looks quite good. Thankfully, I'm not in the market for a standard zoom
.Just out of curiosity and because I haven't used any standard zooms in what feels like ages, how does the GM stack up to other 24-70 2.8's like the version II of Canon's 24-70?
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:45 PM
p.3 #20Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Looks quite good overall, definitely better than the zeiss 24-70mm f2.8 in the corners all around, and at 50mm and 70mm. The more central parts don't look terribly different
Apr 01, 2016 at 06:51 PM