Sony Smooth Reflection App
p.18 #1Sony Smooth Reflection App
Got some funkiness in the sky with this one.
Base exposure of 1/10th and I think 32 shots
Base exposure of 1/10th and I think 32 shots
Mar 02, 2017 at 04:04 PM
p.18 #2Sony Smooth Reflection App
johnahill wrote:
Got some funkiness in the sky with this one.
Base exposure of 1/10th and I think 32 shots
Looks like very fast moving clouds... 1/10 second exposure with 1 second between, if the clouds are moving rapidly, the cloud displacement between the shots is approximately 9x the displacement during the shot, and you could see the gaps.
This is the same problem as moving vehicles lights (look back at the boat photo some posts back), but normally the clouds aren't moving fast enough to have an apparent problem like this, I don't think.
Lengthen the exposure as much as possible to help smear the clouds in the individual shots.
Got some funkiness in the sky with this one.
Base exposure of 1/10th and I think 32 shots
Looks like very fast moving clouds... 1/10 second exposure with 1 second between, if the clouds are moving rapidly, the cloud displacement between the shots is approximately 9x the displacement during the shot, and you could see the gaps.
This is the same problem as moving vehicles lights (look back at the boat photo some posts back), but normally the clouds aren't moving fast enough to have an apparent problem like this, I don't think.
Lengthen the exposure as much as possible to help smear the clouds in the individual shots.
Mar 02, 2017 at 04:17 PM
p.18 #3Sony Smooth Reflection App
No, dont like this affect, was trying for streaks of cloud but this looks messy.
Might just buy a lee super stopper for this sort of thing
Might just buy a lee super stopper for this sort of thing
Mar 03, 2017 at 01:41 AM
p.18 #4Sony Smooth Reflection App
I was wondering about the SR app versus Timelapse.
I ask this because with the Timelapse app it is possible to, in the A7rII, use the silent shooting option and "save" some shutter actuations (specially when doing over 30 shots, it quickly adds up) and also have better highlight recovery compare to the SR app.
Downside, of course, its the huge amount of file storage for all those shots, 32shots*80mb=2560mb, and an even greater amount of processing power in the desktop.
Anyone here used the Timelapse app (instead of the SR app) and blended shots in post?
I ask this because with the Timelapse app it is possible to, in the A7rII, use the silent shooting option and "save" some shutter actuations (specially when doing over 30 shots, it quickly adds up) and also have better highlight recovery compare to the SR app.
Downside, of course, its the huge amount of file storage for all those shots, 32shots*80mb=2560mb, and an even greater amount of processing power in the desktop.
Anyone here used the Timelapse app (instead of the SR app) and blended shots in post?
Mar 07, 2017 at 07:40 AM
p.18 #5Sony Smooth Reflection App
johnahill wrote:
No, dont like this affect, was trying for streaks of cloud but this looks messy.
Might just buy a lee super stopper for this sort of thing
You could always combine the smooth reflections app and a less drastic ND filter - I usually just carry a 3-stop ND now if travelling light, knowing that the two in combination will get me close to a 10-stop...
-John
No, dont like this affect, was trying for streaks of cloud but this looks messy.
Might just buy a lee super stopper for this sort of thing
You could always combine the smooth reflections app and a less drastic ND filter - I usually just carry a 3-stop ND now if travelling light, knowing that the two in combination will get me close to a 10-stop...
-John
Mar 07, 2017 at 01:40 PM
p.18 #6Sony Smooth Reflection App
navmannz wrote:
Might just buy a lee super stopper for this sort of thingYou could always combine the smooth reflections app and a less drastic ND filter - I usually just carry a 3-stop ND now if travelling light, knowing that the two in combination will get me close to a 10-stop...
-John
John, how many shots in SR app do you need to have to achieve the 10-stop ND effect with a 3-stop ND?
Douglas
johnahill wrote
No, dont like this affect, was trying for streaks of cloud but this looks messy.Might just buy a lee super stopper for this sort of thing
-John
John, how many shots in SR app do you need to have to achieve the 10-stop ND effect with a 3-stop ND?
Douglas
Mar 07, 2017 at 10:13 PM
p.18 #7Sony Smooth Reflection App
with my a7rii & 24-70GM
ILCE-7RM2 f/81/356mmISO100
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Mar 07, 2017 at 10:47 PM
p.18 #8Sony Smooth Reflection App
kdrk888 wrote:
Might just buy a lee super stopper for this sort of thingYou could always combine the smooth reflections app and a less drastic ND filter - I usually just carry a 3-stop ND now if travelling light, knowing that the two in combination will get me close to a 10-stop...
-JohnJohn, how many shots in SR app do you need to have to achieve the 10-stop ND effect with a 3-stop ND?
Douglas
From my calculations, you'd need to double the number for every stop that you want to achieve, so using a 3-stop you should get a 6-stop effect with 8 exposures, and a 10-stop effect with 128 exposures. Make sense?
-John
navmannz wrote
johnahill wrote
No, dont like this affect, was trying for streaks of cloud but this looks messy.Might just buy a lee super stopper for this sort of thing
-John
Douglas
From my calculations, you'd need to double the number for every stop that you want to achieve, so using a 3-stop you should get a 6-stop effect with 8 exposures, and a 10-stop effect with 128 exposures. Make sense?
-John
Mar 07, 2017 at 11:06 PM
p.18 #9Sony Smooth Reflection App
navmannz wrote:
Might just buy a lee super stopper for this sort of thingYou could always combine the smooth reflections app and a less drastic ND filter - I usually just carry a 3-stop ND now if travelling light, knowing that the two in combination will get me close to a 10-stop...
-JohnJohn, how many shots in SR app do you need to have to achieve the 10-stop ND effect with a 3-stop ND?
DouglasFrom my calculations, you'd need to double the number for every stop that you want to achieve, so using a 3-stop you should get a 6-stop effect with 8 exposures, and a 10-stop effect with 128 exposures. Make sense?
-John
I posted a break-down list on the first post of this thread. Starting with a 3-stop filter and a 6-stop filter.
Check it out:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1403764/0#13337626
kdrk888 wrote
navmannz wrote
johnahill wrote
No, dont like this affect, was trying for streaks of cloud but this looks messy.Might just buy a lee super stopper for this sort of thing
-John
Douglas
-John
I posted a break-down list on the first post of this thread. Starting with a 3-stop filter and a 6-stop filter.
Check it out:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1403764/0#13337626
Mar 07, 2017 at 11:33 PM
p.18 #10Sony Smooth Reflection App
Thanks, John, Fred. I am getting an 82mm ND filter for occasional use for rivers and water falls, perhaps in combination with the SR app, wondering how many stops (the filter) I should buy first.
Thanks,
Douglas
Thanks,
Douglas
Mar 08, 2017 at 06:41 AM
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p.18 #11Sony Smooth Reflection App
Sure wish Sony would provide an update to SR to use the silent shutter, i.e. eliminate massive increase in the shutter mechanism that SR currently forces.
Mar 08, 2017 at 07:12 AM
p.18 #12Sony Smooth Reflection App
They probably see it has a way of cameras breaking earlier and more income for them 
Mar 08, 2017 at 07:38 AM
p.18 #13Sony Smooth Reflection App
schlotz wrote:
Sure wish Sony would provide an update to SR to use the silent shutter, i.e. eliminate massive increase in the shutter mechanism that SR currently forces.
The more people request this, the higher our chances to see this feature.
Here is a thread I started at the Sony website:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1403764/15#13903523
Sure wish Sony would provide an update to SR to use the silent shutter, i.e. eliminate massive increase in the shutter mechanism that SR currently forces.
The more people request this, the higher our chances to see this feature.
Here is a thread I started at the Sony website:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1403764/15#13903523
Mar 08, 2017 at 09:03 AM
p.18 #14Sony Smooth Reflection App
Does this app takes all these pictures with electronic shutter or physical shutter?
Can it work with an e-shutter?
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Can it work with an e-shutter?
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Mar 08, 2017 at 10:26 AM
p.18 #15Sony Smooth Reflection App
It could work if the app supported the electronic shutter, which it doesn't at the moment. Pretty disappointing...
Mar 08, 2017 at 10:42 AM
p.18 #16Sony Smooth Reflection App
One feature that I've just discovered does work with the smooth reflections app is the long exposure noise reduction. I had assumed that this feature gets switched off the same as the electronic shutter as soon as you go into the app. However, I was shooting some high iso night shots (3200 iso and 20 seconds) last night, and noticed that I still had quite a lot of noise and speckle, even when using the app to combine multiple shots.
On a whim, I turned on the long exposure noise reduction and found that it not only works, but also gives a substantial reduction in speckle across a 4-image exposure compared to when the same number of shots without it were combined. Comparing a single image with long-exposure NR against either of the four shot images, the big gains for the app were not only in overall cleanliness of the image, but also in the saturation and colour rendering.
In addition, the 4-image exposure with long exposure NR is definitely superior to an 8-image exposure without long exposure NR - in other words, at high iso, diverting half of your exposure time to dark frames via the long exposure noise reduction setting, gives an additional gain over the smooth reflections app on its own.
-John
On a whim, I turned on the long exposure noise reduction and found that it not only works, but also gives a substantial reduction in speckle across a 4-image exposure compared to when the same number of shots without it were combined. Comparing a single image with long-exposure NR against either of the four shot images, the big gains for the app were not only in overall cleanliness of the image, but also in the saturation and colour rendering.
In addition, the 4-image exposure with long exposure NR is definitely superior to an 8-image exposure without long exposure NR - in other words, at high iso, diverting half of your exposure time to dark frames via the long exposure noise reduction setting, gives an additional gain over the smooth reflections app on its own.
-John
Mar 15, 2017 at 03:29 PM
p.18 #17Sony Smooth Reflection App
so just got all my sony gear together, and am wanting to get these two apps. My question is should i download right from the camera? I was about to, but i am seeing that V.1 of Sky HDR is on there, but newer version isn't. Yet when i check on their website on my computer, V 1.11 is the one i would download.
also i read (now this was from december 2015, could have changed by now) that the app wouldn't work with manual focus lenses in "M" mode, only aperture priority mode. Is this true?
also i read (now this was from december 2015, could have changed by now) that the app wouldn't work with manual focus lenses in "M" mode, only aperture priority mode. Is this true?
Mar 23, 2017 at 09:37 PM
p.18 #18Sony Smooth Reflection App
Let's keep replying to this thread:
http://community.sony.com/t5/PlayMemories/Smooth-Reflections-app-Feature-Request/m-p/613406#U613406
It may get their attention!
Fred
http://community.sony.com/t5/PlayMemories/Smooth-Reflections-app-Feature-Request/m-p/613406#U613406
It may get their attention!
Fred
Mar 25, 2017 at 09:24 AM
p.18 #19Sony Smooth Reflection App
so i downloaded to my MBP and then onto my camera. Worked fine. Now will test this out tomorrow
Mar 25, 2017 at 09:30 AM
p.18 #20Sony Smooth Reflection App
I don't often use the smooth reflection app, but this morning I needed it because I had neither tripod nor ND filter with me - just my A7R and the Leica 35/2 lens. Placing the camera on the ground and on some pieces of wood gave sufficient support for the number of frames to take. I used the app in mono mode with 2 sec self timer for the first frame. I really like the results here on this cloudy and partially misty morning. No RAW file, just the final JPG as mentioned earlier, but it didn't need post processing other than straightening a bit the horizon.
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Apr 22, 2017 at 01:54 PM