Sony Smooth Reflection App
p.15 #1Sony Smooth Reflection App
^Ditto - try clearing your browser cache, cookies, etc.
Jan 19, 2017 at 01:11 PM
p.15 #2Sony Smooth Reflection App
Fred Miranda wrote:
This would make this app even better. Perhaps we can start a petition.Don't the cameras switch to 12-bit capture when silent shutter is enabled?It does not really makes a difference as we are averaging many images. They same goes for when bracketing in continuous mode. Yes, it's 12-bit but you have so much data, that it would not matter.
Perhaps SR already works in 12-bit. It's hard to tell.I've just checked out the apps website, and it seems that silent shutter and uncompressed raw are both supported in several of the other apps (TimeLapse, SmartRemoteControl), but not in Smooth Reflections. I've emailed a contact who has links to Sony to see whether there is any way he can suggest to push this along.
-JohnThanks John,
If enough photographers request these two features, they may do it.
Is that so? Here I come Sony!!
navmannz wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
molson wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
I'm hoping they update SR adding "Silent shutter" (to save our shutters) and uncompressed (RAW) as options.This would make this app even better. Perhaps we can start a petition.
Perhaps SR already works in 12-bit. It's hard to tell.
-John
If enough photographers request these two features, they may do it.
Is that so? Here I come Sony!!
Jan 19, 2017 at 01:15 PM
p.15 #3Sony Smooth Reflection App
rji2goleez wrote:
^Ditto - try clearing your browser cache, cookies, etc.
A good samaritan (thanks, Tyler!) gave me access to their account and it took less than two minutes to log on, download, and install the app on my camera... so clearly it was not related to the hardware/OS/browsers I was using...
^Ditto - try clearing your browser cache, cookies, etc.
A good samaritan (thanks, Tyler!) gave me access to their account and it took less than two minutes to log on, download, and install the app on my camera... so clearly it was not related to the hardware/OS/browsers I was using...
Jan 19, 2017 at 01:21 PM
p.15 #4Sony Smooth Reflection App
droaingsong wrote:
This would make this app even better. Perhaps we can start a petition.Don't the cameras switch to 12-bit capture when silent shutter is enabled?It does not really makes a difference as we are averaging many images. They same goes for when bracketing in continuous mode. Yes, it's 12-bit but you have so much data, that it would not matter.
Perhaps SR already works in 12-bit. It's hard to tell.I've just checked out the apps website, and it seems that silent shutter and uncompressed raw are both supported in several of the other apps (TimeLapse, SmartRemoteControl), but not in Smooth Reflections. I've emailed a contact who has links to Sony to see whether there is any way he can suggest to push this along.
-JohnThanks John,
If enough photographers request these two features, they may do it.Is that so? Here I come Sony!!
Perhaps the only way to provide feedback and feature requests for the Sony apps is here:
https://community.sony.com/t5/PlayMemories/bd-p/PlayMemories
We could start a thread with a lot of replies requesting that Smooth Reflections should have 'silent shutter' and 'uncompressed' as new options.
Fred Miranda wrote
navmannz wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
molson wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
I'm hoping they update SR adding "Silent shutter" (to save our shutters) and uncompressed (RAW) as options.This would make this app even better. Perhaps we can start a petition.
Perhaps SR already works in 12-bit. It's hard to tell.
-John
If enough photographers request these two features, they may do it.
Perhaps the only way to provide feedback and feature requests for the Sony apps is here:
https://community.sony.com/t5/PlayMemories/bd-p/PlayMemories
We could start a thread with a lot of replies requesting that Smooth Reflections should have 'silent shutter' and 'uncompressed' as new options.
Jan 19, 2017 at 01:34 PM
p.15 #5Sony Smooth Reflection App
droaingsong wrote:
This would make this app even better. Perhaps we can start a petition.Don't the cameras switch to 12-bit capture when silent shutter is enabled?It does not really makes a difference as we are averaging many images. They same goes for when bracketing in continuous mode. Yes, it's 12-bit but you have so much data, that it would not matter.
Perhaps SR already works in 12-bit. It's hard to tell.I've just checked out the apps website, and it seems that silent shutter and uncompressed raw are both supported in several of the other apps (TimeLapse, SmartRemoteControl), but not in Smooth Reflections. I've emailed a contact who has links to Sony to see whether there is any way he can suggest to push this along.
-JohnThanks John,
If enough photographers request these two features, they may do it.Is that so? Here I come Sony!!
My back door contact to Sony didn't have any suggestions on how to nudge them along, so I contacted Sony support via their web page. I indicated that I was part of a forum group, and that there was a strong, collective opinion that this app would benefit greatly from the addition of the electronic shutter and uncompressed raw functionality that is already available in other apps, e.g., time lapse and multiple exposure. I've not heard anything back, but I'm sure that it wouldn't hurt for others to put in their two-cents worth.
-John
Fred Miranda wrote
navmannz wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
molson wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
I'm hoping they update SR adding "Silent shutter" (to save our shutters) and uncompressed (RAW) as options.This would make this app even better. Perhaps we can start a petition.
Perhaps SR already works in 12-bit. It's hard to tell.
-John
If enough photographers request these two features, they may do it.
My back door contact to Sony didn't have any suggestions on how to nudge them along, so I contacted Sony support via their web page. I indicated that I was part of a forum group, and that there was a strong, collective opinion that this app would benefit greatly from the addition of the electronic shutter and uncompressed raw functionality that is already available in other apps, e.g., time lapse and multiple exposure. I've not heard anything back, but I'm sure that it wouldn't hurt for others to put in their two-cents worth.
-John
Jan 19, 2017 at 01:37 PM
p.15 #6Sony Smooth Reflection App
navmannz wrote:
It does not really makes a difference as we are averaging many images. They same goes for when bracketing in continuous mode. Yes, it's 12-bit but you have so much data, that it would not matter.
Perhaps SR already works in 12-bit. It's hard to tell.I've just checked out the apps website, and it seems that silent shutter and uncompressed raw are both supported in several of the other apps (TimeLapse, SmartRemoteControl), but not in Smooth Reflections. I've emailed a contact who has links to Sony to see whether there is any way he can suggest to push this along.
-JohnThanks John,
If enough photographers request these two features, they may do it.Is that so? Here I come Sony!!My back door contact to Sony didn't have any suggestions on how to nudge them along, so I contacted Sony support via their web page. I indicated that I was part of a forum group, and that there was a strong, collective opinion that this app would benefit greatly from the addition of the electronic shutter and uncompressed raw functionality that is already available in other apps, e.g., time lapse and multiple exposure. I've not heard anything back, but I'm sure that it wouldn't hurt for others to put in their two-cents worth.
-John
Same here John.
I think that the link I posted above is our best bet!
droaingsong wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
navmannz wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
molson wrote
Don't the cameras switch to 12-bit capture when silent shutter is enabled?Perhaps SR already works in 12-bit. It's hard to tell.
-John
If enough photographers request these two features, they may do it.
-John
Same here John.
I think that the link I posted above is our best bet!
Jan 19, 2017 at 01:46 PM
p.15 #7Sony Smooth Reflection App
I started a thread about this request here:
https://community.sony.com/t5/PlayMemories/Smooth-Reflections-app-Feature-Request/m-p/613406#U613406
Please reply to the thread voicing your support for these new features. The more the better!
PS: You will have to register Sony's message board to be able to post a reply or new thread about this.
https://community.sony.com/t5/PlayMemories/Smooth-Reflections-app-Feature-Request/m-p/613406#U613406
Please reply to the thread voicing your support for these new features. The more the better!
PS: You will have to register Sony's message board to be able to post a reply or new thread about this.
Jan 19, 2017 at 01:59 PM
p.15 #8Sony Smooth Reflection App
Is anyone else seeing weird artefacts when using smooth reflections?
See the sky in the image below.
This is on A7r
See the sky in the image below.
This is on A7r
Jan 19, 2017 at 04:36 PM
p.15 #9Sony Smooth Reflection App
also note the lights on passing boat are dashed, so there's some time between shots thats causing this.
A7r processing time?
Would this be better with the a7rII
A7r processing time?
Would this be better with the a7rII
Jan 19, 2017 at 04:39 PM
p.15 #10Sony Smooth Reflection App
How many shots did you take to produce this image? It looks like maybe 8 shots?
I wouldn't think the boat lights would be easily visible if you shot 16 or so. Less than that, you are going to have the problem you have here.
Do you have an image of the clouds as a single shot so we can see what they looked like without the SR app? I'm thinking that the clouds just did something a bit unpredictable, not that there is a rendering problem in the app.
I wouldn't think the boat lights would be easily visible if you shot 16 or so. Less than that, you are going to have the problem you have here.
Do you have an image of the clouds as a single shot so we can see what they looked like without the SR app? I'm thinking that the clouds just did something a bit unpredictable, not that there is a rendering problem in the app.
Jan 19, 2017 at 05:09 PM
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p.15 #11Sony Smooth Reflection App
Yep, 8 shots by the looks of it, I'll have a dig through the files and see if I have any straight shots
Jan 19, 2017 at 05:14 PM
p.15 #12Sony Smooth Reflection App
I have tried to do some tail light shots using the SR app. I have not had a lot of success. I suspect that long exposures and lot's of them would cure the problem, but just doing 8 or 16 will not be smooth enough most of the time for moving lights.
Jan 19, 2017 at 05:53 PM
p.15 #13Sony Smooth Reflection App
I used the SR app recently when the lighting conditions were low already. It took about 5 seconds to just get a single exposure at f/8, the optimal aperture. Set on auto, the camera/app took only 6-8 exposures (sorry, I don't remember the exact number) to generate a single file and the image looks great with smooth waves. The image looks like it was taken at a 30 sec shutter speed. If I stop down the aperture to f/22, the result would suffer a little due to diffraction. This is a case where the app really shines.
On the other hand, I tried to capture smooth water at waterfalls when it was bright during the day. I set the aperture small to get longer exposures but still, 128 exposures later, the resulting image doesn't look good/natural. This is the case where a physical neutral density filter would be better.
Apparently, it is not an app that can be applied universally and we have to experiment a little to get the result we are after.
On the other hand, I tried to capture smooth water at waterfalls when it was bright during the day. I set the aperture small to get longer exposures but still, 128 exposures later, the resulting image doesn't look good/natural. This is the case where a physical neutral density filter would be better.
Apparently, it is not an app that can be applied universally and we have to experiment a little to get the result we are after.
Jan 19, 2017 at 06:14 PM
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p.15 #14Sony Smooth Reflection App
TheEmrys wrote:
While I understand that this is opinion, I believe the images in this thread disprove it. The great bane of working with ND and Graduated ND filters is the color cast and exposure errors (more for long exposure, high stop ND filter work). For under $20, Sony has solved both issues while providing the cleanest images ever seen on Full Frame Digital Bodies.
Sometimes SR works, sometimes it doesn't, it doesn't always provide a suitable alternative to ND filters.
I have no problems with my Hoya 10 stop ND's, especially stacked together for 8 minute long exposures. No issue with colour cast whatsoever (using a colour card for WB).
I recently used 2 x 10 stop Hoya ND + Hoya multi-coated CPL, no issues.
I used SR recently and ended up with a 15 minute 256 image workflow which was frustrating (and added 256 shutter actuations to the camera).
It also didn't look as good as the image with ND as I had weird white dots, like hot pixels but colour-less, in the shadows (before any post processing).
I too purchased the app based on the results I saw here and elsewhere and was most interested in the clean shadows through lack of noise reduction, but cannot consistently get great results.
Having said all that, it's worth having for $5 and Sky HDR for $10.
Bespoked wrote
To be honest, these apps aren't that amazing anyway, you're not missing out on much.Sometimes SR works, sometimes it doesn't, it doesn't always provide a suitable alternative to ND filters.
I have no problems with my Hoya 10 stop ND's, especially stacked together for 8 minute long exposures. No issue with colour cast whatsoever (using a colour card for WB).
I recently used 2 x 10 stop Hoya ND + Hoya multi-coated CPL, no issues.
I used SR recently and ended up with a 15 minute 256 image workflow which was frustrating (and added 256 shutter actuations to the camera).
It also didn't look as good as the image with ND as I had weird white dots, like hot pixels but colour-less, in the shadows (before any post processing).
I too purchased the app based on the results I saw here and elsewhere and was most interested in the clean shadows through lack of noise reduction, but cannot consistently get great results.
Having said all that, it's worth having for $5 and Sky HDR for $10.
Jan 20, 2017 at 03:18 AM
p.15 #15Sony Smooth Reflection App
Glad I could help. Now go try them out!
molson wrote:
A good samaritan (thanks, Tyler!) gave me access to their account and it took less than two minutes to log on, download, and install the app on my camera... so clearly it was not related to the hardware/OS/browsers I was using...
molson wrote:
rji2goleez wrote
^Ditto - try clearing your browser cache, cookies, etc.Jan 20, 2017 at 05:22 AM
p.15 #16Sony Smooth Reflection App
I thought I'd this smooth reflection app a shot... really like the clean output! In this example you can see some issues with the trees waving (I couldn't see them with the naked but clearly they moved a little bit), but overall, pretty nice app
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Jan 20, 2017 at 08:49 AM
p.15 #17Sony Smooth Reflection App
Here is a try with light trails from today--32 shots at around 3.2 seconds each. Not sure I am convinced, but it might be okay:
here is a shot without the SR app:
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p.15 #18Sony Smooth Reflection App
Is that banding in the sky on the first shot Luvwine?
Jan 20, 2017 at 06:58 PM
p.15 #19Sony Smooth Reflection App
Bespoked wrote:
Is that banding in the sky on the first shot Luvwine?
I am not sure. I am out for a couple hours and will look when I get home.
Is that banding in the sky on the first shot Luvwine?
I am not sure. I am out for a couple hours and will look when I get home.
Jan 20, 2017 at 07:01 PM
p.15 #20Sony Smooth Reflection App
Luvwine wrote:
Here is a try with light trails from today--32 shots at around 3.2 seconds each. Not sure I am convinced, but it might be okay:
http://m7.i.pbase.com/o9/91/505291/1/164863097.gdQBcdGi._DSC0437.jpg
here is a shot without the SR app:
http://m6.i.pbase.com/o9/91/505291/1/164863096.3CVlYhSD._DSC0431.jpg
I'm not sure I like SR for light trails. I personally prefer the "sharpness" from the image without it.
Here is a try with light trails from today--32 shots at around 3.2 seconds each. Not sure I am convinced, but it might be okay:
http://m7.i.pbase.com/o9/91/505291/1/164863097.gdQBcdGi._DSC0437.jpg
here is a shot without the SR app:
http://m6.i.pbase.com/o9/91/505291/1/164863096.3CVlYhSD._DSC0431.jpg
I'm not sure I like SR for light trails. I personally prefer the "sharpness" from the image without it.
Jan 20, 2017 at 07:10 PM