Sony Smooth Reflection App
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My first test of the SR App, shot with 256 images at Reine, Lofoten:
Reine by Boris Buschardt, auf Flickr
Reine by Boris Buschardt, auf FlickrJul 10, 2016 at 08:04 AM
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We're the foreground bushes that still or did you blend in a single foreground shot?
Jul 10, 2016 at 08:56 AM
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No blend, it seems that the foreground was still enough to avoid any artifacts.
Jul 10, 2016 at 09:16 AM
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Just purchased both Sky-HDR & SR.
After testing the Sky-HDR, I was reminded of a problem I always seemed to run into with GND filters.
There are many scenes where the transition from sky to earth is not a nice "line",
but rather more like a shallow "V" It seems to me that Sony could add a feature to set line segments rather than just vertical placement & width. If they just gave me an adjustable middle point, it would probably work in 80-90% of scenes.
Here's hoping they will rev these apps and pay attention to users.
I'm not holding my breath.
Dan
After testing the Sky-HDR, I was reminded of a problem I always seemed to run into with GND filters.
There are many scenes where the transition from sky to earth is not a nice "line",
but rather more like a shallow "V" It seems to me that Sony could add a feature to set line segments rather than just vertical placement & width. If they just gave me an adjustable middle point, it would probably work in 80-90% of scenes.
Here's hoping they will rev these apps and pay attention to users.
I'm not holding my breath.
Dan
Jul 24, 2016 at 10:02 PM
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rji2goleez wrote:
That's roughly correct. I also notice that even with the shutter speed firing there is a delay between shots. In fact, when there are quick shutter times, the A6300 will complete the shots much faster than the A7rII at the same shutter speed. The delay between shots seems to be much less. I haven't tested this very rigorously but its been an observation.
That's interesting. Is the A6300 faster between shots even when using the exact shutter speeds for both cameras?
Fred Miranda wrote
It looks like over 4 minutes.joychris wrote
^^^great shot. How long does it take to fire off 256 images? Love the CV10mm too.That's interesting. Is the A6300 faster between shots even when using the exact shutter speeds for both cameras?
Aug 05, 2016 at 11:46 PM
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Is it possible that the A6300 writes to disk faster? Perhaps because of the smaller file size?
Aug 06, 2016 at 08:51 AM
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Everything about my a6300 seems faster and more responsive than my a7rii - startup time, cycle time required to get ready for another shot, focusing time, continuous fps etc.
Aug 06, 2016 at 12:25 PM
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FYI, on saving SKY-HDR individual shots. Hope this post is not redundant.
It is model specific. Here is the table from Sony
Application Feature Restrictions Based on Camera Model
Saving of Original Images & White Balance Micro-Adjustment features
Not suppoted Models
α7R, α7S, α7, α6000, α5100, NEX-6, NEX-5T, NEX-5R, RX1R II, RX10 II, RX100 III, RX100 IV
Supported - Other camera models
Dan
It is model specific. Here is the table from Sony
Application Feature Restrictions Based on Camera Model
Saving of Original Images & White Balance Micro-Adjustment features
Not suppoted Models
α7R, α7S, α7, α6000, α5100, NEX-6, NEX-5T, NEX-5R, RX1R II, RX10 II, RX100 III, RX100 IV
Supported - Other camera models
Dan
Aug 06, 2016 at 03:58 PM
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my son's a7s is at least twice as fast with SR than my a7r2
Aug 07, 2016 at 03:44 PM
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Is it just me or is there an enormous amount of CA on each of the last two long stacks posted? Is the app causing that? They're definitely scenes ripe for being plagued with CA but it seems excessive.
Aug 28, 2016 at 10:11 AM
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The app doesn't influence CA and I haven't seen any shots posted with obvious CA. What type of CA are you seeing?
Aug 28, 2016 at 12:25 PM
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My guess is what you're seeing is photoshop Orton effect
Aug 28, 2016 at 12:26 PM
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Vcize wrote:
Is it just me or is there an enormous amount of CA on each of the last two long stacks posted? Is the app causing that? They're definitely scenes ripe for being plagued with CA but it seems excessive.
The CA comes from the lens but the app shows some artifacts when saving in JPG mode. I would advise always using the RAW file.
After using this app for a while, I've learn to underexpose my images a little bit when using it. (Definitely do not use the ETTR Zebra technique with it!).
Even though the resulting image is a RAW file, there is absolutely no wiggle room in the highlights, whereas the shadows will be extremely clean (from the image averaging done by the app) and easily recoverable without any significant increase in noise.
Is it just me or is there an enormous amount of CA on each of the last two long stacks posted? Is the app causing that? They're definitely scenes ripe for being plagued with CA but it seems excessive.
The CA comes from the lens but the app shows some artifacts when saving in JPG mode. I would advise always using the RAW file.
After using this app for a while, I've learn to underexpose my images a little bit when using it. (Definitely do not use the ETTR Zebra technique with it!).
Even though the resulting image is a RAW file, there is absolutely no wiggle room in the highlights, whereas the shadows will be extremely clean (from the image averaging done by the app) and easily recoverable without any significant increase in noise.
Dec 10, 2016 at 12:10 PM
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I am definitely missing these apps on my A99II 
Dec 10, 2016 at 02:03 PM
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pizdets17 wrote:
I am definitely missing these apps on my A99II
I just saw that the A99II does not support internal apps. What a bummer!
I am definitely missing these apps on my A99II
I just saw that the A99II does not support internal apps. What a bummer!
Dec 10, 2016 at 03:20 PM
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yep, only thing it does (thank god) is the remote control by phone and phone transfer. Gotta re buy filters again lol
Fred Miranda wrote:
I just saw that the A99II does not support internal apps. What a bummer!
Fred Miranda wrote:
pizdets17 wrote
I am definitely missing these apps on my A99IIDec 10, 2016 at 04:16 PM
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pizdets17 wrote:
yep, only thing it does (thank god) is the remote control by phone and phone transfer. Gotta re buy filters again lol
I just saw that the A99II does not support internal apps. What a bummer!
I don't think Sony knows how powerful the SR app really is, especially for landscape photography.
On this thread, we posted examples of its benefit replacing ND filters but to me its biggest strength is in dramatically reducing random noise (by averaging), effectively improving the image's SNR. I will post a new thread about this soon.
I do wish they would update this app and include 'silent shutter' and 'uncompressed RAW' as options. Silent shutter alone would definitely save our shutters. Perhaps if enough of us request it, they may do it.
yep, only thing it does (thank god) is the remote control by phone and phone transfer. Gotta re buy filters again lol
Fred Miranda wrote
pizdets17 wrote
I am definitely missing these apps on my A99III don't think Sony knows how powerful the SR app really is, especially for landscape photography.
On this thread, we posted examples of its benefit replacing ND filters but to me its biggest strength is in dramatically reducing random noise (by averaging), effectively improving the image's SNR. I will post a new thread about this soon.
I do wish they would update this app and include 'silent shutter' and 'uncompressed RAW' as options. Silent shutter alone would definitely save our shutters. Perhaps if enough of us request it, they may do it.
Dec 15, 2016 at 12:06 PM
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The SR app is what made me buy an A7 as a backup for my A99II after I sold the A7R2. Perfect for hiking and walk round without carrying a box of filters
Fred Miranda wrote:
I just saw that the A99II does not support internal apps. What a bummer!I don't think Sony knows how powerful the SR app really is, especially for landscape photography.
On this thread, we posted examples of its benefit replacing ND filters but to me its biggest strength is in dramatically reducing random noise (by averaging), effectively improving the image's SNR. I will post a new thread about this soon.
I do wish they would update this app and include 'silent shutter' and 'uncompressed RAW' as options. Silent shutter alone would definitely save our shutters. Perhaps if enough of us request it, they may do it.
Fred Miranda wrote:
pizdets17 wrote
yep, only thing it does (thank god) is the remote control by phone and phone transfer. Gotta re buy filters again lolFred Miranda wrote
pizdets17 wrote
I am definitely missing these apps on my A99IIOn this thread, we posted examples of its benefit replacing ND filters but to me its biggest strength is in dramatically reducing random noise (by averaging), effectively improving the image's SNR. I will post a new thread about this soon.
I do wish they would update this app and include 'silent shutter' and 'uncompressed RAW' as options. Silent shutter alone would definitely save our shutters. Perhaps if enough of us request it, they may do it.
Dec 15, 2016 at 12:36 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
I don't think Sony knows how powerful the SR app really is, especially for landscape photography.
Fred, YES! And I don't think most Sony users know how powerful the app is. I tried to convince a highly respected and technically skilled online gear reviewer to take a look at the app and without looking they refused. Said they didn't want to install an app on their camera and Sony's installation process was a security threat. So I sent them my 256x blend RAW file of the lifegaurd shack I posted earlier, so they can see the SNR improvement. No response.
It's marketed wrong, and it needs to be an integral feature in the regular menus.
I don't think Sony knows how powerful the SR app really is, especially for landscape photography.
Fred, YES! And I don't think most Sony users know how powerful the app is. I tried to convince a highly respected and technically skilled online gear reviewer to take a look at the app and without looking they refused. Said they didn't want to install an app on their camera and Sony's installation process was a security threat. So I sent them my 256x blend RAW file of the lifegaurd shack I posted earlier, so they can see the SNR improvement. No response.
It's marketed wrong, and it needs to be an integral feature in the regular menus.
Dec 15, 2016 at 12:57 PM