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p.7 #2Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Lee Saxon wrote:
http://passportsandlenses.com/zeiss-loxia-212-8-reviewWhat a terrible writer. I didn't even attempt the second paragraph. Great samples though.
Would imagine their English is better than your German though ... (sure is better than mine!)
Fred Miranda wrote
First review with wide-open samples:http://passportsandlenses.com/zeiss-loxia-212-8-review
Would imagine their English is better than your German though ... (sure is better than mine!)
Oct 13, 2015 at 02:45 PM
p.7 #3Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Anyone seen how many blades are in this one?
Oct 13, 2015 at 07:39 PM
p.7 #4Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
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Oct 13, 2015 at 07:53 PM
p.7 #5Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
lomenak wrote:
Anyone seen how many blades are in this one?
Looks like 10 in the video. Consistent with the zm line.
Anyone seen how many blades are in this one?
Looks like 10 in the video. Consistent with the zm line.
Oct 13, 2015 at 08:24 PM
p.7 #6Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
serhan_ wrote:
From Christian Dandyk's flickr photos:
http://c2.staticflickr.com//6//5776//21507560663_29e1597ede_h.jpg
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/berlinbackstage/albums/72157659729543202
Thanks for posting this size comparison.
The Batis 25/2 is way bulkier than the Loxia 21/2.8, especially with the hood on. However, the latter is considerably heavier.
Is it because the Loxia has an all metal barrel and the Batis has a high quality plastic construction?
From Christian Dandyk's flickr photos:
http://c2.staticflickr.com//6//5776//21507560663_29e1597ede_h.jpg
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/berlinbackstage/albums/72157659729543202
Thanks for posting this size comparison.
The Batis 25/2 is way bulkier than the Loxia 21/2.8, especially with the hood on. However, the latter is considerably heavier.
Is it because the Loxia has an all metal barrel and the Batis has a high quality plastic construction?
Oct 13, 2015 at 09:52 PM
p.7 #7Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Fred Miranda wrote:
http://c2.staticflickr.com//6//5776//21507560663_29e1597ede_h.jpg
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/berlinbackstage/albums/72157659729543202Thanks for posting this size comparison.
The Batis 25/2 is way bulkier than the Loxia 21/2.8, especially with the hood on. However, the latter is considerably heavier.
Is it because the Loxia has an all metal barrel and the Batis has a high quality plastic construction?
Must be. Also, Loxia 21 has 11 elements to Batis' 10, but Batis has AF. Construction materials must make the difference.
serhan_ wrote
From Christian Dandyk's flickr photos:http://c2.staticflickr.com//6//5776//21507560663_29e1597ede_h.jpg
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/berlinbackstage/albums/72157659729543202
The Batis 25/2 is way bulkier than the Loxia 21/2.8, especially with the hood on. However, the latter is considerably heavier.
Is it because the Loxia has an all metal barrel and the Batis has a high quality plastic construction?
Must be. Also, Loxia 21 has 11 elements to Batis' 10, but Batis has AF. Construction materials must make the difference.
Oct 13, 2015 at 10:09 PM
p.7 #8Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Sigma CEO was saying that the mirrorless lenses need to be lighter for faster contrast af/video af vs dslr lenses... That might be the reason for Batis to be lighter vs mf lens where they can go for the traditional ZM type of construction like the other Loxia's are based on...
Fred Miranda wrote:
http://c2.staticflickr.com//6//5776//21507560663_29e1597ede_h.jpg
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/berlinbackstage/albums/72157659729543202Thanks for posting this size comparison.
The Batis 25/2 is way bulkier than the Loxia 21/2.8, especially with the hood on. However, the latter is considerably heavier.
Is it because the Loxia has an all metal barrel and the Batis has a high quality plastic construction?
Fred Miranda wrote:
serhan_ wrote
From Christian Dandyk's flickr photos:http://c2.staticflickr.com//6//5776//21507560663_29e1597ede_h.jpg
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/berlinbackstage/albums/72157659729543202
The Batis 25/2 is way bulkier than the Loxia 21/2.8, especially with the hood on. However, the latter is considerably heavier.
Is it because the Loxia has an all metal barrel and the Batis has a high quality plastic construction?
Oct 13, 2015 at 10:17 PM
p.7 #9Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
I actually do not use the hoods from both Batis lenses. Frankly there bigger than they need to be. I put 67mm metal screw in hoods off of eBay for like 9 dollars each and I don't use front lens caps either. Never gave, just ge in the way. Putting the smaller metal hoods really knock down its bulky look.
The Loxia hoods on the other hand are the best hoods in the business. Really like them
The Loxia hoods on the other hand are the best hoods in the business. Really like them
Oct 13, 2015 at 10:28 PM
p.7 #10Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
GMPhotography wrote:
I actually do not use the hoods from both Batis lenses. Frankly there bigger than they need to be. I put 67mm metal screw in hoods off of eBay for like 9 dollars each and I don't use front lens caps either. Never gave, just ge in the way. Putting the smaller metal hoods really knock down its bulky look.
The Loxia hoods on the other hand are the best hoods in the business. Really like them
Which third party metal hood did you get for your batis?
I actually do not use the hoods from both Batis lenses. Frankly there bigger than they need to be. I put 67mm metal screw in hoods off of eBay for like 9 dollars each and I don't use front lens caps either. Never gave, just ge in the way. Putting the smaller metal hoods really knock down its bulky look.
The Loxia hoods on the other hand are the best hoods in the business. Really like them
Which third party metal hood did you get for your batis?
Oct 13, 2015 at 10:53 PM
p.7 #11Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Fred on the 25 I use a 67-72 step up than a 72
Batis 85 just a straight 67
I'll get some links .
Batis 85 just a straight 67
I'll get some links .
Oct 13, 2015 at 11:11 PM
p.7 #12Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
I buy from this seller heavystar . I use this one for the 85
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Metal-Tele-67mm-Screw-in-Lens-Hood-/201084942640?hash=item2ed198b930
Look for a 72mm wide angle but not those big ones. I use a 67 to 72 step up so it tapers out. Than a 72
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Metal-Wide-Angle-72mm-Screw-in-Lens-Hood-Cap-/201337175071?hash=item2ee0a17c1f
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Metal-Tele-67mm-Screw-in-Lens-Hood-/201084942640?hash=item2ed198b930
Look for a 72mm wide angle but not those big ones. I use a 67 to 72 step up so it tapers out. Than a 72
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Metal-Wide-Angle-72mm-Screw-in-Lens-Hood-Cap-/201337175071?hash=item2ee0a17c1f
Oct 13, 2015 at 11:13 PM
p.7 #13Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
So I save the original hood and both caps in the box and use a generic rear cap and the metal hoods. So they are brand new for resale but more important I don't lose them. Believe it or not all these years I never damaged a front element with metal hoods and no front caps. I have a whole box of different sizes of the hoods. Lol
Oct 13, 2015 at 11:22 PM
p.7 #14Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Luvwine wrote:
http://c2.staticflickr.com//6//5776//21507560663_29e1597ede_h.jpg
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/berlinbackstage/albums/72157659729543202Thanks for posting this size comparison.
The Batis 25/2 is way bulkier than the Loxia 21/2.8, especially with the hood on. However, the latter is considerably heavier.
Is it because the Loxia has an all metal barrel and the Batis has a high quality plastic construction?Must be. Also, Loxia 21 has 11 elements to Batis' 10, but Batis has AF. Construction materials must make the difference.
No, no. The sum of the Loxia parts are actually lighter than the Batis, but the convergence of those elements create their own gravitational field. Caution must be exercised when using or carrying this lens. Do not climb into an industrial washing machine with it, no matter how cool you think the laundry's perspective on laundry day might be. Do not tie it to a string and whip it around you in an attempt to fend off ninjas. And, whatever you do, DO NOT drop it into a block centrifuge. Aside from being wasteful, any of these actions could create a singularity that would destroy the planet.
Joking aside, I agree. Both the 50 and 35 have a nice heft to them. I have to say, I was far more in love with the build of the 50 than I was with the glass. The Planar's a great lens, but it's completely outclassed by its mechanics and ergonomics. The uniform diameter, the real scale, knurled metal aperture and focus rings, no chrome-nose, plus the perfect amount of heft make for such a pleasurable experience. And while I don't shoot video, I loved the de-clicked aperture. It kept a relatively good circle between stops, so it was very useful in getting exactly the field of focus I wanted. I do wish they had just gone metric on the scale or had color differentiated them, but that is my sole nit-pick.
From what I've seen of the samples from the 21, it may be the near-perfect marriage of glass and design. It will be perfect if it keeps me from buying a CV 15 I know I will end up reselling after a month.
Fred Miranda wrote
serhan_ wrote
From Christian Dandyk's flickr photos:http://c2.staticflickr.com//6//5776//21507560663_29e1597ede_h.jpg
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/berlinbackstage/albums/72157659729543202
The Batis 25/2 is way bulkier than the Loxia 21/2.8, especially with the hood on. However, the latter is considerably heavier.
Is it because the Loxia has an all metal barrel and the Batis has a high quality plastic construction?
No, no. The sum of the Loxia parts are actually lighter than the Batis, but the convergence of those elements create their own gravitational field. Caution must be exercised when using or carrying this lens. Do not climb into an industrial washing machine with it, no matter how cool you think the laundry's perspective on laundry day might be. Do not tie it to a string and whip it around you in an attempt to fend off ninjas. And, whatever you do, DO NOT drop it into a block centrifuge. Aside from being wasteful, any of these actions could create a singularity that would destroy the planet.
Joking aside, I agree. Both the 50 and 35 have a nice heft to them. I have to say, I was far more in love with the build of the 50 than I was with the glass. The Planar's a great lens, but it's completely outclassed by its mechanics and ergonomics. The uniform diameter, the real scale, knurled metal aperture and focus rings, no chrome-nose, plus the perfect amount of heft make for such a pleasurable experience. And while I don't shoot video, I loved the de-clicked aperture. It kept a relatively good circle between stops, so it was very useful in getting exactly the field of focus I wanted. I do wish they had just gone metric on the scale or had color differentiated them, but that is my sole nit-pick.
From what I've seen of the samples from the 21, it may be the near-perfect marriage of glass and design. It will be perfect if it keeps me from buying a CV 15 I know I will end up reselling after a month.
Oct 14, 2015 at 12:38 AM
p.7 #15Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Paul Mo wrote:
Now we just need Samyang to give us the 90-95% IQ for 30% of the price options.Samyang's tend toward the large end of things though.
Their designed-for-mirrorless aren't that big. I'm thinking of the fabulous APS-C 12mm f/2, for instance, which couples incredible resolving power and is well corrected for astro. Quality control and build-prettiness may be another thing, however!
justruss wrote
MTF looks really strong. For a compact, high IQ, 21mm on the A7(x) cameras... this will be the one to beat.Now we just need Samyang to give us the 90-95% IQ for 30% of the price options.
Their designed-for-mirrorless aren't that big. I'm thinking of the fabulous APS-C 12mm f/2, for instance, which couples incredible resolving power and is well corrected for astro. Quality control and build-prettiness may be another thing, however!
Oct 14, 2015 at 02:11 AM
p.7 #16Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Lee Saxon wrote:
http://passportsandlenses.com/zeiss-loxia-212-8-reviewWhat a terrible writer. I didn't even attempt the second paragraph. Great samples though.
The first paragraph (and the use of lowercase to start the sentence after the greeting)-- reads very much like a native German (or Germanic language) speaker writing in English. That's how Germans open letters (lowercase first sentence). And sentence structure looks Germanic as well. In any case... they probably aren't native English speakers.
Fred Miranda wrote
First review with wide-open samples:http://passportsandlenses.com/zeiss-loxia-212-8-review
The first paragraph (and the use of lowercase to start the sentence after the greeting)-- reads very much like a native German (or Germanic language) speaker writing in English. That's how Germans open letters (lowercase first sentence). And sentence structure looks Germanic as well. In any case... they probably aren't native English speakers.
Oct 14, 2015 at 02:15 AM
p.7 #17Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
justruss wrote:
http://passportsandlenses.com/zeiss-loxia-212-8-reviewWhat a terrible writer. I didn't even attempt the second paragraph. Great samples though.The first paragraph (and the use of lowercase to start the sentence after the greeting)-- reads very much like a native German (or Germanic language) speaker writing in English. That's how Germans open letters (lowercase first sentence). And sentence structure looks Germanic as well. In any case... they probably aren't native English speakers.
They are German, according to the "About us" section on their website. English is also the contemprary version of Latin and it has more non-native than native speakers worldwide. Using English is a way to reach a much wider audience than only the one in your home country. My native language is Norwegian, which is spoken by only five million people.
Linguistc quibbles aside, the review is informative and nice, and the Loxia 21/2.8 enters my wish list!
Lee Saxon wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
First review with wide-open samples:http://passportsandlenses.com/zeiss-loxia-212-8-review
They are German, according to the "About us" section on their website. English is also the contemprary version of Latin and it has more non-native than native speakers worldwide. Using English is a way to reach a much wider audience than only the one in your home country. My native language is Norwegian, which is spoken by only five million people.
Linguistc quibbles aside, the review is informative and nice, and the Loxia 21/2.8 enters my wish list!
Oct 14, 2015 at 03:21 AM
p.7 #18Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
The batis lenses aren't plastic...they're an all metal shell. I just don't think there's as much metal inside the lens, while the Loxias have sturdy metal helicoids, perhaps made of brass, which is a lot heavier than the aluminum that likely makes the Batis shells.
Oct 14, 2015 at 11:56 AM
p.7 #19Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
This is terrible news. The size of the 21 f/2.8 was the main reason to talk myself out of wanting one. Very clever Zeiss engineers, very clever.
Oct 14, 2015 at 02:04 PM
p.7 #20Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
justruss wrote:
Now we just need Samyang to give us the 90-95% IQ for 30% of the price options.Samyang's tend toward the large end of things though.Their designed-for-mirrorless aren't that big. I'm thinking of the fabulous APS-C 12mm f/2, for instance, which couples incredible resolving power and is well corrected for astro. Quality control and build-prettiness may be another thing, however!
Samyang quality control doesn't seem to be any worse than Zony. I have a perfect Samyang 21/2 for my Samsung NX500. Never had a problem with any Samyang lens in the past either. Now there seem to be way too many 55/1.8 and 35/1.4 lenses with optical misalignment
Given the prices and "Zeiss" labeling, that seems like much more of a QA problem.
Paul Mo wrote
justruss wrote
MTF looks really strong. For a compact, high IQ, 21mm on the A7(x) cameras... this will be the one to beat.Now we just need Samyang to give us the 90-95% IQ for 30% of the price options.
Samyang quality control doesn't seem to be any worse than Zony. I have a perfect Samyang 21/2 for my Samsung NX500. Never had a problem with any Samyang lens in the past either. Now there seem to be way too many 55/1.8 and 35/1.4 lenses with optical misalignment
Given the prices and "Zeiss" labeling, that seems like much more of a QA problem.Oct 14, 2015 at 02:12 PM