p.7 #2Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
RobertLynn wrote:
But who wants to shoot sony...bleh
EB-1 wroteStill no AF in 2015
EBHsebboh wrotethank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
Actually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.
p.7 #3Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Jim, deepest apologies. I did put the "wistful smiley", plus you must agree that lens lineup seemed a little fanciful, surely. And genus Talpa is not a bird!
p.7 #4Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
rattymouse wrote: naturephoto1 wroterattymouse wrotemolson wroteshogo73 wroteis that true?
zeiss lenses are now made by fuji?
molson wroteI never liked the Cosina materials either. These new Fuji-built lenses look a lot nicer.
Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.Fuji makes the Loxia and Batis lenses, along with all the lenses for Hasselblad, and since these new lenses appear to be from the same design family (as do the Otus lenses...), that would be my educated guess. After all, Fuji has been one of the world's premier lens makers for a couple of decades.Zeiss has been *the* premier lens maker for over 120 years. Or about 50 years before Fujifilm was even founded.At present, there are 4 major German manufacturers of optics that have been been in business for quite some time all of whom make outstanding optics for different formats. These include Zeiss, Leica, Schneider, and Rodenstock. Rollei also used to be a major player in this regard mainly making lenses for their own cameras many of which were licensed from 3 of the mentioned German optics companies. Leica of course makes lenses for its own cameras as well as some for Panasonic and/or has a hand in the design of some of the Panasonic lenses.
RichCarl Zeiss, founded in 1846.
Rodenstock, founded in 1877- 31 years later!
Fujifilm, founded in 1934- 88 years later!!! Further, Fujifilm didnt become a series lens builder until around 1970 or so, well over 100 years after Zeiss' founding.
Ernst Leitz (Leica) 1849 By the way Ernst Leitz worked for Zeiss initially.
p.7 #5Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
rattymouse wrote: molson wroteshogo73 wroteis that true?
zeiss lenses are now made by fuji?
molson wroteedwardkaraa wroteI kind of like the new packaging. I was never a fan of the Cosina housing with the chromed filter ring. They look more matching with the dslr cams they are made for.I never liked the Cosina materials either. These new Fuji-built lenses look a lot nicer.
Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.Fuji makes the Loxia and Batis lenses, along with all the lenses for Hasselblad, and since these new lenses appear to be from the same design family (as do the Otus lenses...), that would be my educated guess. After all, Fuji has been one of the world's premier lens makers for a couple of decades.Zeiss has been *the* premier lens maker for over 120 years. Or about 50 years before Fujifilm was even founded.
You'd think that with so much of a head start, they wouldn't still have to hire other companies to build their products for them...
p.7 #6Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Steve Spencer wrote: RobertLynn wroteBut who wants to shoot sony...bleh
EB-1 wroteStill no AF in 2015
EBHsebboh wrotethank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...Actually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.
We will have to wait only a little longer it seems that Leica may join the list.
p.7 #7Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
rico wrote:
Jim, deepest apologies. I did put the "wistful smiley", plus you must agree that lens lineup seemed a little fanciful, surely. And genus Talpa is not a bird!
p.7 #8Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Steve Spencer wrote:
Actually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.
I would like to have a good sensor AND a good EVF... so unfortunately, that rules out Sony.
The only really good EVF's right now are on Olympus and Fuji cameras.
p.7 #9Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
naturephoto1 wrote: Steve Spencer wroteRobertLynn wroteBut who wants to shoot sony...bleh
EB-1 wroteStill no AF in 2015
EBHsebboh wrotethank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...Actually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.We will have to wait only a little longer it seems that Leica may join the list.
Rich
That would be nice to see some competition, and I think the Leica might be very interesting.
p.7 #10Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
molson wrote: Steve Spencer wroteActually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.I would like to have a good sensor AND a good EVF... so unfortunately, that rules out Sony.
The only really good EVF's right now are on Olympus and Fuji cameras.
I actually like the EVF for my A7 II better than the EVF for the Oly EM5 and EM1 that I used to have, but I find that EVF preference is as personal as ergonomic preference. My wife for example hates Fuji's EVFs, but I think they are pretty good. We partly have Sony because it is an EVF that we can both like. I am not surprised that others don't like the Sony EVF, however.
p.7 #11Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Peopl3 have the right to be wrong Steve Spencer wrote: RobertLynn wroteBut who wants to shoot sony...bleh
EB-1 wroteStill no AF in 2015
EBHsebboh wrotethank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...Actually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.
p.7 #12Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
milvus 50/1.4 = No focus shift!!! ?
this is what Llyod chambers has to say:
The new Milvus designs leap forward into the age of high-res digital sensors by offering far higher performance in every respect: sharpness and contrast at wider apertures, focus shift is banished, violet fringing is absent, field curvature is strictly controlled, distortion is very low. The Milvus 50/1.4 and 85/1.4 designs are eminently suitable for 36/42/50 megapixel cameras. The higher performance needs little analysis; it can be seen at a glance in the viewfinder, or in Live View. The imaging results reflect that clarity of view.
p.7 #13Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Steve Spencer wrote: RobertLynn wroteBut who wants to shoot sony...bleh
EB-1 wroteStill no AF in 2015
EBHsebboh wrotethank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...Actually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.
That's me. With what and how I shoot, I can't think of many reasons to switch away from Sony. If Nikon, Canon, etc came out with a full frame mirrorless body it'd have to offer specific advantages - smaller, lighter, and/or better sensor performance for the same or lower cost.
My A7 does what I need it to and it's issues are nowhere near bad enough make the compromises of other available cameras worth putting up with.
If I won the lottery, I would give Leica a try, though. :-P
p.7 #15Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Someone may make a video of a guy picking these Milvi up, one by one..then pulling a face and putting them back down on the counter fast. Maybe that Kai character from DigitalRev can fit that bill.
Zeiss *really* want you to choose between the heavyweight DSLR world and the Sony FE world, it seems. But f1.4 lenses are no easier to focus with OVF, even with reduced prices.
Try adding up the freight load of a hypothetical landscape kit, say 5DSr plus M21-M35-M50/2-M85 in this new line, and compare it with say, a7rII - B25-FE35-FE55-B85. It looked like fun so I did:
Canon set : 4510 grams
Sony set : 1835 grams
The savings amounts to a lot of batteries, about 46 of them in fact, lol. Thousands cheaper too. And only one of these kits gives you AF on every lens, with IBIS/EVF/focus aids/silent 500k shutter thrown in. 4K, better DR-SNR-color through the range, etc. Tough choice?
p.7 #16Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
bushwacker wrote:
milvus 50/1.4 = No focus shift!!! ?
this is what Llyod chambers has to say:
The new Milvus designs leap forward into the age of high-res digital sensors by offering far higher performance in every respect: sharpness and contrast at wider apertures, focus shift is banished, violet fringing is absent, field curvature is strictly controlled, distortion is very low. The Milvus 50/1.4 and 85/1.4 designs are eminently suitable for 36/42/50 megapixel cameras. The higher performance needs little analysis; it can be seen at a glance in the viewfinder, or in Live View. The imaging results reflect that clarity of view.
p.7 #17Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
'Even the 21/2.8 which is still a great performer: being rather large for its speed in order to meet certain performance goals made sense when it was released back during the reign of Marcus Aurelius but *with advances in glass* and design one has to wonder...'
"Its performance, particularly the perfect correction of lateral chromatic aberration, was achieved solely by the combination of very special (and expensive) high index glass types with glass types displaying extremely high anomalous partial dispersion." - Zeiss on the CY Distagon, in the white paper of the design name series.
They knew quite a bit back in the days of old Rome, circa 1993 ;-) And in fact this expensive glass is the reason the later D21 has an extra element - to attempt to make up for lost correction with less expensive glass. True, the big recent design gains are that they are now learning how to best use asph/APD in novel (though complex) hybrid designs which minimize the bane of digital era lenses - stray light.
p.7 #18Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
EB-1 wrote:
Still no AF in 2015
EBH
sebboh wrote:
thank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
I have no use for Sony mount for a few more years at least.
Is there a technical issue preventing Nikon AF or does Sony pay the Zeiss for exclusivity?
p.7 #19Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
EB-1 wrote: EB-1 wroteStill no AF in 2015
EBHsebboh wrotethank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...I have no use for Sony mount for a few more years at least.
Is there a technical issue preventing Nikon AF or does Sony pay the Zeiss for exclusivity?
EBH
The technical issue is that Nikon has proprietary code for their AF. Other manufacturers reverse engineer the AF. Zeiss has no desire to do that and I doubt they will. Zeiss does make Fuji AF lenses in the Touit series, so that is at least acceptable, but I don't they will make Canon or Nikon can expect Zeiss AF lenses unless they permit open access to the code for their AF.