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p.6 #1Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
joakim wrote:
What did I miss
Quite a few, but not your fault (still under blackout):
15/2.8 - Classic but quite new
18/3.5 - Classic
21/5.6 - Talpa
21/2.8 - Milvus
25/2.0 - Classic
25/2.8 - Classic
28/2.0 - Classic
28/5.6 - Talpa
35/1.4 - Classic
35/2.0 - Milvus
35/4 - Talpa
50/1.4 - Classic
50/1.4 - Milvus
50M/2.0 - Milvus
50/4 - Talpa
55/1.4 - Otus
85/1.4 - Classic
85/4 - Talpa
85/1.4 - Milvus
85/1.4 - Otus
100M/2.0 - Milvus
100/5.6 - Talpa
135/2.0 - Classic but quite new
135/5.6 - Talpa
200/5.6 - Talpa
400/8 - Talpa
Talpa is a premium line to honor the Company's optical history from the middle of the 20th century, and designed for hikers and travellers where performance and weight are equal priorities. In keeping with tradition, lenses are built in Oberkochen, Germany and labelled "Carl Zeiss".
I can write product copy, too. Wistful smiley here.
What did I miss
Quite a few, but not your fault (still under blackout):
15/2.8 - Classic but quite new
18/3.5 - Classic
21/5.6 - Talpa
21/2.8 - Milvus
25/2.0 - Classic
25/2.8 - Classic
28/2.0 - Classic
28/5.6 - Talpa
35/1.4 - Classic
35/2.0 - Milvus
35/4 - Talpa
50/1.4 - Classic
50/1.4 - Milvus
50M/2.0 - Milvus
50/4 - Talpa
55/1.4 - Otus
85/1.4 - Classic
85/4 - Talpa
85/1.4 - Milvus
85/1.4 - Otus
100M/2.0 - Milvus
100/5.6 - Talpa
135/2.0 - Classic but quite new
135/5.6 - Talpa
200/5.6 - Talpa
400/8 - Talpa
Talpa is a premium line to honor the Company's optical history from the middle of the 20th century, and designed for hikers and travellers where performance and weight are equal priorities. In keeping with tradition, lenses are built in Oberkochen, Germany and labelled "Carl Zeiss".
I can write product copy, too. Wistful smiley here.
Sep 10, 2015 at 02:25 PM
p.6 #2Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Steve Spencer wrote:
Edit: The new Milvus lenses that are just rehoused are not more expensive than the old ZE/ZF line. They are listed at the same price and B & H has a $300 price reduction for the old ZE/ZF line.
I totally missed this. That significantly improves my opinion of the situation (though I'm not crazy about the new cosmetic style and the weight increases though not a major issue for me are kinda lame).
It's still pretty crazy, though, how many times some of these C/Y designs have been rehoused now. The ZF/ZE line, the CP line (and don't get me started on the addition CP "Super Speed" money grab), and now the Milvus. And aren't the Loxia's so far slightly reworked ZM's yet they've still only released two?
Sounds to me like Zeiss has money trouble.
Plus, how old are some of these designs at this point? I'm glad they updated the 50 and 85, but wasn't the 35/2 just as badly in need of revision as those two? And didn't even the 100MP need some tweaking for SA/CA issues? Even the 21/2.8 which is still a great performer: being rather large for its speed in order to meet certain performance goals made sense when it was released back during the reign of Marcus Aurelius but with advances in glass and design one has to wonder...
And is anyone else surprised that the new 15/2.8 and 135/2, which definitely do not need redesigns, were not chosen to be among the first rehouses? Kinda makes you think they ARE being announced as rehouses, but as Otus rather than Milvus...
Edited on Sep 10, 2015 at 02:39 PM · View previous versions
Edit: The new Milvus lenses that are just rehoused are not more expensive than the old ZE/ZF line. They are listed at the same price and B & H has a $300 price reduction for the old ZE/ZF line.
I totally missed this. That significantly improves my opinion of the situation (though I'm not crazy about the new cosmetic style and the weight increases though not a major issue for me are kinda lame).
It's still pretty crazy, though, how many times some of these C/Y designs have been rehoused now. The ZF/ZE line, the CP line (and don't get me started on the addition CP "Super Speed" money grab), and now the Milvus. And aren't the Loxia's so far slightly reworked ZM's yet they've still only released two?
Sounds to me like Zeiss has money trouble.
Plus, how old are some of these designs at this point? I'm glad they updated the 50 and 85, but wasn't the 35/2 just as badly in need of revision as those two? And didn't even the 100MP need some tweaking for SA/CA issues? Even the 21/2.8 which is still a great performer: being rather large for its speed in order to meet certain performance goals made sense when it was released back during the reign of Marcus Aurelius but with advances in glass and design one has to wonder...
And is anyone else surprised that the new 15/2.8 and 135/2, which definitely do not need redesigns, were not chosen to be among the first rehouses? Kinda makes you think they ARE being announced as rehouses, but as Otus rather than Milvus...
Edited on Sep 10, 2015 at 02:39 PM · View previous versions
Sep 10, 2015 at 02:37 PM
p.6 #3Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
rico wrote:
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21/5.6 - Talpa
28/5.6 - Talpa
35/4 - Talpa
50/4 - Talpa
85/4 - Talpa
100/5.6 - Talpa
135/5.6 - Talpa
200/5.6 - Talpa
400/8 - Talpa
Talpa is a premium line to honor the Company's optical history from the middle of the 20th century, and designed for hikers and travellers where performance and weight are equal priorities. In keeping with tradition, lenses are built in Oberkochen, Germany and labelled "Carl Zeiss".
Hey Rico,
Can you provide a bit more info on the "Talpa" lineup? Google is showing me information mostly about eye glasses and moles (the underground type, not the undercover type).
I can't find 'talpa' at zeiss.com or in the Zeiss Historica Article Index.
Thanks,
Jim
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21/5.6 - Talpa
28/5.6 - Talpa
35/4 - Talpa
50/4 - Talpa
85/4 - Talpa
100/5.6 - Talpa
135/5.6 - Talpa
200/5.6 - Talpa
400/8 - Talpa
Talpa is a premium line to honor the Company's optical history from the middle of the 20th century, and designed for hikers and travellers where performance and weight are equal priorities. In keeping with tradition, lenses are built in Oberkochen, Germany and labelled "Carl Zeiss".
Hey Rico,
Can you provide a bit more info on the "Talpa" lineup? Google is showing me information mostly about eye glasses and moles (the underground type, not the undercover type).
I can't find 'talpa' at zeiss.com or in the Zeiss Historica Article Index.
Thanks,
Jim
Sep 10, 2015 at 02:38 PM
p.6 #4Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
We joke, but this ultracompact line is a great idea (except the building it in Germany part haha). I'm actually in the planning stages of exactly that with my own company, though I think f/4 and f/5.6 are excessive and you can get the sizes you want at f/2.8 or even f/2 at most focal lengths. Zeiss has kind of gone insane with lens size since the Otus was released (and the size of this new 50 and 85 bear that out), but if you look at Nikon's new 1.8's, even the UWA's...
Sep 10, 2015 at 02:42 PM
p.6 #5Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Still no AF in 2015
EBH
EBH
Sep 10, 2015 at 03:36 PM
p.6 #6Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
molson wrote:
I never liked the Cosina materials either. These new Fuji-built lenses look a lot nicer.
Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.
You'd think that Zeiss would make a world class screen to help people who have the same concerns as you do.
edwardkaraa wrote
I kind of like the new packaging. I was never a fan of the Cosina housing with the chromed filter ring. They look more matching with the dslr cams they are made for.Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.
You'd think that Zeiss would make a world class screen to help people who have the same concerns as you do.
Sep 10, 2015 at 03:48 PM
p.6 #7Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
EB-1 wrote:
Still no AF in 2015
EBH
+1
Really these are expensive heavy big lenses optically they are ok but so are a lot of AF options also
Still no AF in 2015
EBH
+1
Really these are expensive heavy big lenses optically they are ok but so are a lot of AF options also
Sep 10, 2015 at 03:59 PM
p.6 #8Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
rattymouse wrote:
You'd think that Zeiss would make a world class screen to help people who have the same concerns as you do.
They sub-contracted that to the many and various folks who make rear LCD screens for LiveView manual focus.
(plus, Zacuto)
You'd think that Zeiss would make a world class screen to help people who have the same concerns as you do.
They sub-contracted that to the many and various folks who make rear LCD screens for LiveView manual focus.
(plus, Zacuto)
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:00 PM
p.6 #9Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
molson wrote:
zeiss lenses are now made by fuji?
I never liked the Cosina materials either. These new Fuji-built lenses look a lot nicer.
Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.Fuji makes the Loxia and Batis lenses, along with all the lenses for Hasselblad, and since these new lenses appear to be from the same design family (as do the Otus lenses...), that would be my educated guess. After all, Fuji has been one of the world's premier lens makers for a couple of decades.
Zeiss has been *the* premier lens maker for over 120 years. Or about 50 years before Fujifilm was even founded.
shogo73 wrote
is that true?zeiss lenses are now made by fuji?
molson wrote
edwardkaraa wrote
I kind of like the new packaging. I was never a fan of the Cosina housing with the chromed filter ring. They look more matching with the dslr cams they are made for.Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.
Zeiss has been *the* premier lens maker for over 120 years. Or about 50 years before Fujifilm was even founded.
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:02 PM
p.6 #10Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
rattymouse wrote:
zeiss lenses are now made by fuji?
I never liked the Cosina materials either. These new Fuji-built lenses look a lot nicer.
Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.Fuji makes the Loxia and Batis lenses, along with all the lenses for Hasselblad, and since these new lenses appear to be from the same design family (as do the Otus lenses...), that would be my educated guess. After all, Fuji has been one of the world's premier lens makers for a couple of decades.Zeiss has been *the* premier lens maker for over 120 years. Or about 50 years before Fujifilm was even founded.
At present, there are 4 major German manufacturers of optics that have been been in business for quite some time all of whom make outstanding optics for different formats. These include Zeiss, Leica, Schneider, and Rodenstock. Rollei also used to be a major player in this regard mainly making lenses for their own cameras many of which were licensed from 3 of the mentioned German optics companies. Leica of course makes lenses for its own cameras as well as some for Panasonic and/or has a hand in the design of some of the Panasonic lenses.
Rich
molson wrote
shogo73 wrote
is that true?zeiss lenses are now made by fuji?
molson wrote
edwardkaraa wrote
I kind of like the new packaging. I was never a fan of the Cosina housing with the chromed filter ring. They look more matching with the dslr cams they are made for.Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.
At present, there are 4 major German manufacturers of optics that have been been in business for quite some time all of whom make outstanding optics for different formats. These include Zeiss, Leica, Schneider, and Rodenstock. Rollei also used to be a major player in this regard mainly making lenses for their own cameras many of which were licensed from 3 of the mentioned German optics companies. Leica of course makes lenses for its own cameras as well as some for Panasonic and/or has a hand in the design of some of the Panasonic lenses.
Rich
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:10 PM
p.6 #11Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
EB-1 wrote:
Still no AF in 2015
EBH
thank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
Still no AF in 2015
EBH
thank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:20 PM
p.6 #12Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
sebboh wrote:
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
Most of those are sony lenses with zeiss brand right?
What happens if you dont want to shoot sony?
Honestly these are priced and sized enough for autofocus. I dont mind manually focusing for landscapes but an 85/1.4? no...no no no...
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
Most of those are sony lenses with zeiss brand right?
What happens if you dont want to shoot sony?
Honestly these are priced and sized enough for autofocus. I dont mind manually focusing for landscapes but an 85/1.4? no...no no no...
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:24 PM
p.6 #13Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
RobDickinson wrote:
Most of those are sony lenses with zeiss brand right?
What happens if you dont want to shoot sony?
Honestly these are priced and sized enough for autofocus. I dont mind manually focusing for landscapes but an 85/1.4? no...no no no...
With an EVF no problem focusing that 85.
sebboh wrote
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...What happens if you dont want to shoot sony?
Honestly these are priced and sized enough for autofocus. I dont mind manually focusing for landscapes but an 85/1.4? no...no no no...
With an EVF no problem focusing that 85.
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:27 PM
p.6 #14Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
RobDickinson wrote:
Most of those are sony lenses with zeiss brand right?
What happens if you dont want to shoot sony?
Honestly these are priced and sized enough for autofocus. I dont mind manually focusing for landscapes but an 85/1.4? no...no no no...
zeiss is making their own like of e-mount AF lenses too – the batis line, but there is only a 25/2 and 85/1.8 now.
brand issue is an issue for every brand pretty much, what if i like nikon cameras but prefer canon glass? SOL
i'm actually the opposite way regarding AF lenses – they're fine for landscape but using AF at f/1.4 (or f/1.2) makes me want to spike the camera.
sebboh wrote
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...What happens if you dont want to shoot sony?
Honestly these are priced and sized enough for autofocus. I dont mind manually focusing for landscapes but an 85/1.4? no...no no no...
zeiss is making their own like of e-mount AF lenses too – the batis line, but there is only a 25/2 and 85/1.8 now.
brand issue is an issue for every brand pretty much, what if i like nikon cameras but prefer canon glass? SOL
i'm actually the opposite way regarding AF lenses – they're fine for landscape but using AF at f/1.4 (or f/1.2) makes me want to spike the camera.
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:28 PM
p.6 #15Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Is anyone concerned with the blue fringe on the dog image with the 50/1.4? Is that some LoCA or what?
EBH
EBH
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:35 PM
p.6 #16Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
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Sep 10, 2015 at 04:43 PM
p.6 #17Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
But who wants to shoot sony...bleh
EB-1 wrote:
Still no AF in 2015
EBH
sebboh wrote:
thank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:49 PM
p.6 #18Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
jcolwell wrote:
Can you provide a bit more info on the "Talpa" lineup? Google is showing me information mostly about eye glasses and moles (the underground type, not the undercover type).
As Lee says, I'm being a bit tongue-in-cheek about Talpa, but the appeal of slow primes is dear to my heart. Slow suggests small and light, but not necessarily cheap (look at Leica pricing). If we offer our pound of flesh for such a line, perhaps CZ will acquiesce: they are running out of markets for fast, overweight behemoths. Many of the fabled Contarex primes they made in the 1960s were remarkably slow (and expensive): http://contarex.photomoritz.com/crex_lenses.html
Edited on Sep 10, 2015 at 04:55 PM · View previous versions
Can you provide a bit more info on the "Talpa" lineup? Google is showing me information mostly about eye glasses and moles (the underground type, not the undercover type).
As Lee says, I'm being a bit tongue-in-cheek about Talpa, but the appeal of slow primes is dear to my heart. Slow suggests small and light, but not necessarily cheap (look at Leica pricing). If we offer our pound of flesh for such a line, perhaps CZ will acquiesce: they are running out of markets for fast, overweight behemoths. Many of the fabled Contarex primes they made in the 1960s were remarkably slow (and expensive): http://contarex.photomoritz.com/crex_lenses.html
Edited on Sep 10, 2015 at 04:55 PM · View previous versions
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:53 PM
p.6 #19Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
RobDickinson wrote:
Most of those are sony lenses with zeiss brand right?
What happens if you dont want to shoot sony?
Honestly these are priced and sized enough for autofocus. I dont mind manually focusing for landscapes but an 85/1.4? no...no no no...
Well a big problem is Canon and Nikon have proprietary AF systems that are not open access. A company like Zeiss is not going to reverse engineer autofocus. That is not their strength and they would hate it when they don't get it right and the AF fails. Sony does make their AF open access, plus they have a relationship with Zeiss. This makes it a lot easier for Zeiss to make AF lenses for Sony, but they have made them for Fuji too who has open access to their AF. So if Canon and Nikon open up the code to their AF, then you might see Zeiss build AF lenses for them, but I doubt Canon and Nikon think that is in their best interest. The situation is different for companies like Sony and Fuji who are trying to grow their market share rather than protect it.
sebboh wrote
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...What happens if you dont want to shoot sony?
Honestly these are priced and sized enough for autofocus. I dont mind manually focusing for landscapes but an 85/1.4? no...no no no...
Well a big problem is Canon and Nikon have proprietary AF systems that are not open access. A company like Zeiss is not going to reverse engineer autofocus. That is not their strength and they would hate it when they don't get it right and the AF fails. Sony does make their AF open access, plus they have a relationship with Zeiss. This makes it a lot easier for Zeiss to make AF lenses for Sony, but they have made them for Fuji too who has open access to their AF. So if Canon and Nikon open up the code to their AF, then you might see Zeiss build AF lenses for them, but I doubt Canon and Nikon think that is in their best interest. The situation is different for companies like Sony and Fuji who are trying to grow their market share rather than protect it.
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:54 PM
p.6 #20Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
naturephoto1 wrote:
zeiss lenses are now made by fuji?
I never liked the Cosina materials either. These new Fuji-built lenses look a lot nicer.
Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.Fuji makes the Loxia and Batis lenses, along with all the lenses for Hasselblad, and since these new lenses appear to be from the same design family (as do the Otus lenses...), that would be my educated guess. After all, Fuji has been one of the world's premier lens makers for a couple of decades.Zeiss has been *the* premier lens maker for over 120 years. Or about 50 years before Fujifilm was even founded.At present, there are 4 major German manufacturers of optics that have been been in business for quite some time all of whom make outstanding optics for different formats. These include Zeiss, Leica, Schneider, and Rodenstock. Rollei also used to be a major player in this regard mainly making lenses for their own cameras many of which were licensed from 3 of the mentioned German optics companies. Leica of course makes lenses for its own cameras as well as some for Panasonic and/or has a hand in the design of some of the Panasonic lenses.
Rich
Carl Zeiss, founded in 1846.
Rodenstock, founded in 1877- 31 years later!
Fujifilm, founded in 1934- 88 years later!!! Further, Fujifilm didnt become a series lens builder until around 1970 or so, well over 100 years after Zeiss' founding.
rattymouse wrote
molson wrote
shogo73 wrote
is that true?zeiss lenses are now made by fuji?
molson wrote
edwardkaraa wrote
I kind of like the new packaging. I was never a fan of the Cosina housing with the chromed filter ring. They look more matching with the dslr cams they are made for.Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.
Rich
Carl Zeiss, founded in 1846.
Rodenstock, founded in 1877- 31 years later!
Fujifilm, founded in 1934- 88 years later!!! Further, Fujifilm didnt become a series lens builder until around 1970 or so, well over 100 years after Zeiss' founding.
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:54 PM