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Archive 2015Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
p.2 #1Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Datasheets - Milvus Lenses
the new 50 & 85 F1.4
PDF Milvus 1.4/50
PDF Milvus 1.4/85
the new 50 & 85 F1.4
PDF Milvus 1.4/50
PDF Milvus 1.4/85
Sep 10, 2015 at 07:56 AM
p.2 #2Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Looks like the new 85mm is a derivative of the Otus design.
http://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/Photography/new/pdf/en/downloadcenter/datasheets_otus/otus_1485.pdf
http://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/Photography/new/pdf/en/downloadcenter/datasheets_milvus/milvus1485.pdf
Perhaps they saved money by not using anomalous dispersion glass and then tweaked the optical design to account for the change. This new 85mm is slightly heavier than the Otus, with slightly lower resolution. Still, looking at the charts, they're so close I'm not sure I'd be able to tell the difference in real photos.
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http://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/Photography/new/pdf/en/downloadcenter/datasheets_otus/otus_1485.pdf
http://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/Photography/new/pdf/en/downloadcenter/datasheets_milvus/milvus1485.pdf
Perhaps they saved money by not using anomalous dispersion glass and then tweaked the optical design to account for the change. This new 85mm is slightly heavier than the Otus, with slightly lower resolution. Still, looking at the charts, they're so close I'm not sure I'd be able to tell the difference in real photos.
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Sep 10, 2015 at 07:57 AM
p.2 #3Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
snowboarder wrote:
Maybe 8 years ago I would have been interested, but not now when I'm looking
for a SMALLER setup...
Same here... not so interested in these.
philber wrote
It looks very much like a repackaged ZE/ZF line, except for the f:1.4 Planar twins, which explains how they can release 6 new lenses at the same time.for a SMALLER setup...
Same here... not so interested in these.
Sep 10, 2015 at 07:58 AM
p.2 #4Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
These Milvuses (Milvii?) seem to be repackaged or slightly changed (like the two loxia so far). I doubt that there is any huge improvement. Just trying to give them a consistent look. I'm interested in the WA Otus. And unless the new Loxia is a 15/2.8, I'm going to pass.
So they "fixed" the 50 and 85, but at Otus weight
....
Edit: So I have looked through all of them and compared to the old ones. Personally, I think this is a bad move from Zeiss. Average of about 200-300 grams heavier than the previous lenses, additional 600-700 grams for the 50 and 85. And there is the price issue. I'm not sure new coating and housing would be worth the increase in weight and price.
Edited on Sep 10, 2015 at 08:18 AM · View previous versions
So they "fixed" the 50 and 85, but at Otus weight
....Edit: So I have looked through all of them and compared to the old ones. Personally, I think this is a bad move from Zeiss. Average of about 200-300 grams heavier than the previous lenses, additional 600-700 grams for the 50 and 85. And there is the price issue. I'm not sure new coating and housing would be worth the increase in weight and price.
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Sep 10, 2015 at 07:58 AM
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bjornthun wrote:
...What the specs don't reveal is if the coatings have been improved, or small tweaks...
In the video at ~1:35 he says that all received improved coatings.
Gosh, I just almost completed my ZE set (18, 2/35, 2/50, 1.4/85, only 2/25 missing) and they do release updated versions with weather sealing and improved 85 :-/ Now, I can start again!
...What the specs don't reveal is if the coatings have been improved, or small tweaks...
In the video at ~1:35 he says that all received improved coatings.
Gosh, I just almost completed my ZE set (18, 2/35, 2/50, 1.4/85, only 2/25 missing) and they do release updated versions with weather sealing and improved 85 :-/ Now, I can start again!
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:05 AM
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Yup. It seems the new line is heavier than the one it replaces, which wasn't exactly lightweight to start with. When I saw them, I thought "great! I won't go ahead with my purchase of the 135 APO, and save some weight". But now, I guess not...
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:06 AM
p.2 #7Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Any report on the focal length and max aperture of the Loxia? I can't seem to find it yet and it is the one I am most interested in.
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:18 AM
p.2 #8Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Any report on whether the 50 and 85 planers now have a floating element? All the other one's released already did in the ZE/ZF incarnation. Just adding that should allow the 50 and 85 to have much better close range performance. They were two of only a small number of ZE/ZF lenses without a floating element.
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:21 AM
p.2 #9Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Steve Spencer wrote:
Any report on whether the 50 and 85 planers now have a floating element? All the other one's released already did in the ZE/ZF incarnation. Just adding that should allow the 50 and 85 to have much better close range performance. They were two of only a small number of ZE/ZF lenses without a floating element.
No floating... But a lot more E/LD and ASPH
Any report on whether the 50 and 85 planers now have a floating element? All the other one's released already did in the ZE/ZF incarnation. Just adding that should allow the 50 and 85 to have much better close range performance. They were two of only a small number of ZE/ZF lenses without a floating element.
No floating... But a lot more E/LD and ASPH
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:23 AM
p.2 #10Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
I'm just pleased as punch that I sold my 85 ZE Planar a couple weeks ago.
Curious as to how the 100M compares to the venerable 100 Makro-Planar which was next in the queue...
Curious as to how the 100M compares to the venerable 100 Makro-Planar which was next in the queue...
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:24 AM
p.2 #11Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Steve Spencer wrote:
Any report on the focal length and max aperture of the Loxia? I can't seem to find it yet and it is the one I am most interested in.
I don't think that they have announced the loxia or Otus lens yet, just these
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:27 AM
p.2 #12Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Some photos here, looks like full rez too
https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlzeisslenses
https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlzeisslenses
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:29 AM
p.2 #13Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Damn, they do look small in the video, I was so happy for few seconds. Then I look for the specs and it seems all of them are heavier than the classic ones.
Good thing I just sold my 50f1.4.
Any idea how much the new lenses will cost? I guess it's not cheap especially the new ZE 1.4/50 1.4/85.
Good thing I just sold my 50f1.4
. Any idea how much the new lenses will cost? I guess it's not cheap especially the new ZE 1.4/50 1.4/85.
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:29 AM
p.2 #14Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
scottsoutter wrote:
I'm just pleased as punch that I sold my 85 ZE Planar a couple weeks ago.
Curious as to how the 100M compares to the venerable 100 Makro-Planar which was next in the queue...
It looks from the data sheets like they are identical optically. Everything in the data sheets appears to be identical unless I missed something. You do get the new housing, a possibility to declick the aperture, and weather sealing, but it is heavier by about 200g
I'm just pleased as punch that I sold my 85 ZE Planar a couple weeks ago.
Curious as to how the 100M compares to the venerable 100 Makro-Planar which was next in the queue...
It looks from the data sheets like they are identical optically. Everything in the data sheets appears to be identical unless I missed something. You do get the new housing, a possibility to declick the aperture, and weather sealing, but it is heavier by about 200g
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:30 AM
p.2 #16Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
hiepphotog wrote:
No floating... But a lot more E/LD and ASPH
Are you sure? That would be an odd choice as they have added floating elements to all the recent releases of the ZE/ZF and they tend to only report it in the brochure and never in the data sheets. For the 50 ASPH definitely makes sense, but I could live without it for the 85, but more anomalous partial dispersion glass would definitely be welcome in both. The 50 has 3 more elements and 2 more groups (but does not share the Otus partial distagon design, it seems to be a modified double gauss that looks a bit like the FE 55 f/1.8, so a bit of Sonnar to this planar), so one would hope those extra elements left room for some APD glass and a ASPH or two.
Steve Spencer wrote
Any report on whether the 50 and 85 planers now have a floating element? All the other one's released already did in the ZE/ZF incarnation. Just adding that should allow the 50 and 85 to have much better close range performance. They were two of only a small number of ZE/ZF lenses without a floating element.Are you sure? That would be an odd choice as they have added floating elements to all the recent releases of the ZE/ZF and they tend to only report it in the brochure and never in the data sheets. For the 50 ASPH definitely makes sense, but I could live without it for the 85, but more anomalous partial dispersion glass would definitely be welcome in both. The 50 has 3 more elements and 2 more groups (but does not share the Otus partial distagon design, it seems to be a modified double gauss that looks a bit like the FE 55 f/1.8, so a bit of Sonnar to this planar), so one would hope those extra elements left room for some APD glass and a ASPH or two.
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:35 AM
p.2 #18Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
I just found the Milvus brochure. The new 50 has an ASPH element, 4 APD elements, and a floating elements design. The 85 has 7 (wow) APD elements and a floating elements design. I think that bodes well for both lenses.
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:39 AM
p.2 #19Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
The 21, 35, 50 MP, and 100 MP have an identical optical design in the brochure.
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:42 AM
p.2 #20Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Steve Spencer wrote:
No floating... But a lot more E/LD and ASPHAre you sure? That would be an odd choice as they have added floating elements to all the recent releases of the ZE/ZF and they tend to only report it in the brochure and never in the data sheets. For the 50 ASPH definitely makes sense, but I could live without it for the 85, but more anomalous partial dispersion glass would definitely be welcome in both. The 50 has 3 more elements and 2 more groups (but does not share the Otus partial distagon design, it seems to be a modified double gauss that looks a bit like...Show more →
I think the ad info from BHphoto would be quite reliable. The Makro clearly show that they have floating elements design.
The new 50/1.4 has 4 LD elements and 1 ASPH (vs. the old one without any of those). It's actually a "Distagon" design. This is probably as good as the Sigma Art 50.
The new 85/1.4 has 7 LD elements (old one has none).
hiepphotog wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Any report on whether the 50 and 85 planers now have a floating element? All the other one's released already did in the ZE/ZF incarnation. Just adding that should allow the 50 and 85 to have much better close range performance. They were two of only a small number of ZE/ZF lenses without a floating element.I think the ad info from BHphoto would be quite reliable. The Makro clearly show that they have floating elements design.
The new 50/1.4 has 4 LD elements and 1 ASPH (vs. the old one without any of those). It's actually a "Distagon" design
. This is probably as good as the Sigma Art 50.The new 85/1.4 has 7 LD elements (old one has none).
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:44 AM