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p.7 #1Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
rico wrote:
As Lee says,...
So you were sh*tt*ng me.
There's one born every minute. In this case, it was 21815 days ago.
As Lee says,...
So you were sh*tt*ng me.
There's one born every minute. In this case, it was 21815 days ago.
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:57 PM
p.7 #2Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
RobertLynn wrote:
But who wants to shoot sony...bleh
EBH
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
Actually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.
But who wants to shoot sony...bleh
EB-1 wrote
Still no AF in 2015 EBH
sebboh wrote
thank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
Actually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.
Sep 10, 2015 at 04:58 PM
p.7 #3Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Jim, deepest apologies. I did put the "wistful smiley", plus you must agree that lens lineup seemed a little fanciful, surely. And genus Talpa is not a bird!
Sep 10, 2015 at 05:01 PM
p.7 #4Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
rattymouse wrote:
zeiss lenses are now made by fuji?
Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.Fuji makes the Loxia and Batis lenses, along with all the lenses for Hasselblad, and since these new lenses appear to be from the same design family (as do the Otus lenses...), that would be my educated guess. After all, Fuji has been one of the world's premier lens makers for a couple of decades.Zeiss has been *the* premier lens maker for over 120 years. Or about 50 years before Fujifilm was even founded.At present, there are 4 major German manufacturers of optics that have been been in business for quite some time all of whom make outstanding optics for different formats. These include Zeiss, Leica, Schneider, and Rodenstock. Rollei also used to be a major player in this regard mainly making lenses for their own cameras many of which were licensed from 3 of the mentioned German optics companies. Leica of course makes lenses for its own cameras as well as some for Panasonic and/or has a hand in the design of some of the Panasonic lenses.
RichCarl Zeiss, founded in 1846.
Rodenstock, founded in 1877- 31 years later!
Fujifilm, founded in 1934- 88 years later!!! Further, Fujifilm didnt become a series lens builder until around 1970 or so, well over 100 years after Zeiss' founding.
Ernst Leitz (Leica) 1849 By the way Ernst Leitz worked for Zeiss initially.
Joseph Schneider 1913
Rollei 1920
Rich
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naturephoto1 wrote
rattymouse wrote
molson wrote
shogo73 wrote
is that true?zeiss lenses are now made by fuji?
molson wrote
I never liked the Cosina materials either. These new Fuji-built lenses look a lot nicer.Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.
Rich
Rodenstock, founded in 1877- 31 years later!
Fujifilm, founded in 1934- 88 years later!!! Further, Fujifilm didnt become a series lens builder until around 1970 or so, well over 100 years after Zeiss' founding.
Ernst Leitz (Leica) 1849 By the way Ernst Leitz worked for Zeiss initially.
Joseph Schneider 1913
Rollei 1920
Rich
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Sep 10, 2015 at 05:15 PM
p.7 #5Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
rattymouse wrote:
zeiss lenses are now made by fuji?
I never liked the Cosina materials either. These new Fuji-built lenses look a lot nicer.
Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.Fuji makes the Loxia and Batis lenses, along with all the lenses for Hasselblad, and since these new lenses appear to be from the same design family (as do the Otus lenses...), that would be my educated guess. After all, Fuji has been one of the world's premier lens makers for a couple of decades.Zeiss has been *the* premier lens maker for over 120 years. Or about 50 years before Fujifilm was even founded.
You'd think that with so much of a head start, they wouldn't still have to hire other companies to build their products for them...
molson wrote
shogo73 wrote
is that true?zeiss lenses are now made by fuji?
molson wrote
edwardkaraa wrote
I kind of like the new packaging. I was never a fan of the Cosina housing with the chromed filter ring. They look more matching with the dslr cams they are made for.Too bad no one makes a DSLR with a decent focusing screen for manual focus any more, so that removes any temptation for me.
You'd think that with so much of a head start, they wouldn't still have to hire other companies to build their products for them...
Sep 10, 2015 at 05:15 PM
p.7 #6Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Steve Spencer wrote:
EBH
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...Actually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.
We will have to wait only a little longer it seems that Leica may join the list.
Rich
RobertLynn wrote
But who wants to shoot sony...blehEB-1 wrote
Still no AF in 2015 EBH
sebboh wrote
thank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
We will have to wait only a little longer it seems that Leica may join the list.
Rich
Sep 10, 2015 at 05:20 PM
p.7 #7Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
rico wrote:
Jim, deepest apologies. I did put the "wistful smiley", plus you must agree that lens lineup seemed a little fanciful, surely. And genus Talpa is not a bird!
No worries.
I'll be watching...
P.S. moles can fly, just not for very long.
Jim, deepest apologies. I did put the "wistful smiley", plus you must agree that lens lineup seemed a little fanciful, surely. And genus Talpa is not a bird!
No worries.
I'll be watching...
P.S. moles can fly, just not for very long.
Sep 10, 2015 at 05:24 PM
p.7 #8Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Steve Spencer wrote:
Actually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.
I would like to have a good sensor AND a good EVF... so unfortunately, that rules out Sony.
The only really good EVF's right now are on Olympus and Fuji cameras.
Actually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.
I would like to have a good sensor AND a good EVF... so unfortunately, that rules out Sony.
The only really good EVF's right now are on Olympus and Fuji cameras.
Sep 10, 2015 at 05:27 PM
p.7 #9Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
naturephoto1 wrote:
EBH
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...Actually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.We will have to wait only a little longer it seems that Leica may join the list.
Rich
That would be nice to see some competition, and I think the Leica might be very interesting.
Steve Spencer wrote
RobertLynn wrote
But who wants to shoot sony...blehEB-1 wrote
Still no AF in 2015 EBH
sebboh wrote
thank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
Rich
That would be nice to see some competition, and I think the Leica might be very interesting.
Sep 10, 2015 at 05:28 PM
p.7 #10Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
molson wrote:
I would like to have a good sensor AND a good EVF... so unfortunately, that rules out Sony.
The only really good EVF's right now are on Olympus and Fuji cameras.
I actually like the EVF for my A7 II better than the EVF for the Oly EM5 and EM1 that I used to have, but I find that EVF preference is as personal as ergonomic preference. My wife for example hates Fuji's EVFs, but I think they are pretty good. We partly have Sony because it is an EVF that we can both like. I am not surprised that others don't like the Sony EVF, however.
Steve Spencer wrote
Actually, I think there is a growing number of people who appreciate a good sensor and an EVF and right now Sony is the only game in town for that in FF.The only really good EVF's right now are on Olympus and Fuji cameras.
I actually like the EVF for my A7 II better than the EVF for the Oly EM5 and EM1 that I used to have, but I find that EVF preference is as personal as ergonomic preference. My wife for example hates Fuji's EVFs, but I think they are pretty good. We partly have Sony because it is an EVF that we can both like. I am not surprised that others don't like the Sony EVF, however.
Sep 10, 2015 at 05:31 PM
p.7 #11Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Peopl3 have the right to be wrong
Steve Spencer wrote:
RobertLynn wrote
But who wants to shoot sony...blehEB-1 wrote
Still no AF in 2015 EBH
sebboh wrote
thank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
Sep 10, 2015 at 06:05 PM
p.7 #12Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
milvus 50/1.4 = No focus shift!!! ?
this is what Llyod chambers has to say:
The new Milvus designs leap forward into the age of high-res digital sensors by offering far higher performance in every respect: sharpness and contrast at wider apertures, focus shift is banished, violet fringing is absent, field curvature is strictly controlled, distortion is very low. The Milvus 50/1.4 and 85/1.4 designs are eminently suitable for 36/42/50 megapixel cameras. The higher performance needs little analysis; it can be seen at a glance in the viewfinder, or in Live View. The imaging results reflect that clarity of view.
http://lenspire.zeiss.com/en/zeiss-milvus-50mm-f1-4-and-85mm-f1-4-anchor-a-gorgeous-new-lens-line/
this is what Llyod chambers has to say:
The new Milvus designs leap forward into the age of high-res digital sensors by offering far higher performance in every respect: sharpness and contrast at wider apertures, focus shift is banished, violet fringing is absent, field curvature is strictly controlled, distortion is very low. The Milvus 50/1.4 and 85/1.4 designs are eminently suitable for 36/42/50 megapixel cameras. The higher performance needs little analysis; it can be seen at a glance in the viewfinder, or in Live View. The imaging results reflect that clarity of view.
http://lenspire.zeiss.com/en/zeiss-milvus-50mm-f1-4-and-85mm-f1-4-anchor-a-gorgeous-new-lens-line/
Sep 10, 2015 at 06:40 PM
p.7 #13Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Steve Spencer wrote:
RobertLynn wrote
But who wants to shoot sony...blehEB-1 wrote
Still no AF in 2015 EBH
sebboh wrote
thank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
That's me. With what and how I shoot, I can't think of many reasons to switch away from Sony. If Nikon, Canon, etc came out with a full frame mirrorless body it'd have to offer specific advantages - smaller, lighter, and/or better sensor performance for the same or lower cost.
My A7 does what I need it to and it's issues are nowhere near bad enough make the compromises of other available cameras worth putting up with.
If I won the lottery, I would give Leica a try, though. :-P
Sep 10, 2015 at 06:42 PM
p.7 #14Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
naturephoto1 wrote:
We will have to wait only a little longer it seems that Leica may join the list.
Rich
another BIG announcement? As big as today's Zeiss stuff?
We will have to wait only a little longer it seems that Leica may join the list.
Rich
another BIG announcement? As big as today's Zeiss stuff?
Sep 10, 2015 at 07:05 PM
p.7 #15Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Someone may make a video of a guy picking these Milvi up, one by one..then pulling a face and putting them back down on the counter fast. Maybe that Kai character from DigitalRev can fit that bill.
Zeiss *really* want you to choose between the heavyweight DSLR world and the Sony FE world, it seems. But f1.4 lenses are no easier to focus with OVF, even with reduced prices.
Try adding up the freight load of a hypothetical landscape kit, say 5DSr plus M21-M35-M50/2-M85 in this new line, and compare it with say, a7rII - B25-FE35-FE55-B85. It looked like fun so I did:
Canon set : 4510 grams
Sony set : 1835 grams
The savings amounts to a lot of batteries, about 46 of them in fact, lol. Thousands cheaper too. And only one of these kits gives you AF on every lens, with IBIS/EVF/focus aids/silent 500k shutter thrown in. 4K, better DR-SNR-color through the range, etc. Tough choice?
Zeiss *really* want you to choose between the heavyweight DSLR world and the Sony FE world, it seems. But f1.4 lenses are no easier to focus with OVF, even with reduced prices.
Try adding up the freight load of a hypothetical landscape kit, say 5DSr plus M21-M35-M50/2-M85 in this new line, and compare it with say, a7rII - B25-FE35-FE55-B85. It looked like fun so I did:
Canon set : 4510 grams
Sony set : 1835 grams
The savings amounts to a lot of batteries, about 46 of them in fact, lol. Thousands cheaper too. And only one of these kits gives you AF on every lens, with IBIS/EVF/focus aids/silent 500k shutter thrown in. 4K, better DR-SNR-color through the range, etc. Tough choice?
Sep 10, 2015 at 07:22 PM
p.7 #16Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
bushwacker wrote:
milvus 50/1.4 = No focus shift!!! ?
this is what Llyod chambers has to say:
The new Milvus designs leap forward into the age of high-res digital sensors by offering far higher performance in every respect: sharpness and contrast at wider apertures, focus shift is banished, violet fringing is absent, field curvature is strictly controlled, distortion is very low. The Milvus 50/1.4 and 85/1.4 designs are eminently suitable for 36/42/50 megapixel cameras. The higher performance needs little analysis; it can be seen at a glance in the viewfinder, or in Live View. The imaging results reflect that clarity of view.
http://lenspire.zeiss.com/en/zeiss-milvus-50mm-f1-4-and-85mm-f1-4-anchor-a-gorgeous-new-lens-line/
Yeah, on Zeiss' own website... How does he do it: charging people for a subscription AND writing for Zeiss?
milvus 50/1.4 = No focus shift!!! ?
this is what Llyod chambers has to say:
The new Milvus designs leap forward into the age of high-res digital sensors by offering far higher performance in every respect: sharpness and contrast at wider apertures, focus shift is banished, violet fringing is absent, field curvature is strictly controlled, distortion is very low. The Milvus 50/1.4 and 85/1.4 designs are eminently suitable for 36/42/50 megapixel cameras. The higher performance needs little analysis; it can be seen at a glance in the viewfinder, or in Live View. The imaging results reflect that clarity of view.
http://lenspire.zeiss.com/en/zeiss-milvus-50mm-f1-4-and-85mm-f1-4-anchor-a-gorgeous-new-lens-line/
Yeah, on Zeiss' own website... How does he do it: charging people for a subscription AND writing for Zeiss?
Sep 10, 2015 at 07:28 PM
p.7 #17Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
'Even the 21/2.8 which is still a great performer: being rather large for its speed in order to meet certain performance goals made sense when it was released back during the reign of Marcus Aurelius but *with advances in glass* and design one has to wonder...'
"Its performance, particularly the perfect correction of lateral chromatic aberration, was achieved solely by the combination of very special (and expensive) high index glass types with glass types displaying extremely high anomalous partial dispersion." - Zeiss on the CY Distagon, in the white paper of the design name series.
They knew quite a bit back in the days of old Rome, circa 1993 ;-) And in fact this expensive glass is the reason the later D21 has an extra element - to attempt to make up for lost correction with less expensive glass. True, the big recent design gains are that they are now learning how to best use asph/APD in novel (though complex) hybrid designs which minimize the bane of digital era lenses - stray light.
"Its performance, particularly the perfect correction of lateral chromatic aberration, was achieved solely by the combination of very special (and expensive) high index glass types with glass types displaying extremely high anomalous partial dispersion." - Zeiss on the CY Distagon, in the white paper of the design name series.
They knew quite a bit back in the days of old Rome, circa 1993 ;-) And in fact this expensive glass is the reason the later D21 has an extra element - to attempt to make up for lost correction with less expensive glass. True, the big recent design gains are that they are now learning how to best use asph/APD in novel (though complex) hybrid designs which minimize the bane of digital era lenses - stray light.
Sep 10, 2015 at 07:49 PM
p.7 #18Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
EB-1 wrote:
Still no AF in 2015
EBH
sebboh wrote:
thank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
I have no use for Sony mount for a few more years at least.
Is there a technical issue preventing Nikon AF or does Sony pay the Zeiss for exclusivity?
EBH
Still no AF in 2015
EBH
sebboh wrote:
thank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
I have no use for Sony mount for a few more years at least.
Is there a technical issue preventing Nikon AF or does Sony pay the Zeiss for exclusivity?
EBH
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:41 PM
p.7 #19Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
EB-1 wrote:
EBH
in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...I have no use for Sony mount for a few more years at least.
Is there a technical issue preventing Nikon AF or does Sony pay the Zeiss for exclusivity?
EBH
The technical issue is that Nikon has proprietary code for their AF. Other manufacturers reverse engineer the AF. Zeiss has no desire to do that and I doubt they will. Zeiss does make Fuji AF lenses in the Touit series, so that is at least acceptable, but I don't they will make Canon or Nikon can expect Zeiss AF lenses unless they permit open access to the code for their AF.
EB-1 wrote
Still no AF in 2015 EBH
sebboh wrote
thank god too! there are plenty of companies making great AF lenses already, wish they'd make some manual focus lenses for us weird folks.in all seriousness, if you want zeiss lenses with AF they make them in sony mount now...
Is there a technical issue preventing Nikon AF or does Sony pay the Zeiss for exclusivity?
EBH
The technical issue is that Nikon has proprietary code for their AF. Other manufacturers reverse engineer the AF. Zeiss has no desire to do that and I doubt they will. Zeiss does make Fuji AF lenses in the Touit series, so that is at least acceptable, but I don't they will make Canon or Nikon can expect Zeiss AF lenses unless they permit open access to the code for their AF.
Sep 10, 2015 at 08:47 PM
p.7 #20Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Wow, more manual focus lens.
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http://i.lvme.me/ohrxxmp.jpg
Sep 10, 2015 at 09:21 PM