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p.20 #1Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
It depends on what you mean by beat. The optical bench test measures the lens's MTF performance at infinity, but does not directly say anything about nearer distance performance, field curvature, color rendering, chromatic aberration, bokeh rendering, flare, etc. The consistency of performance can also affect how likely you are to get a lens that meets its measured spec.
The Milvus is also weatherproof, so there are many different tradeoffs between the two lenses.
The Milvus is also weatherproof, so there are many different tradeoffs between the two lenses.
Nov 09, 2015 at 04:12 PM
p.20 #2Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
I am not quite used to Lens Rental's MTF. I can't find at what f- stop it was tested. I must be just not reading careful enough.. Good old planar doesn't look so bad in comparison?
Nov 09, 2015 at 06:36 PM
p.20 #3Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
The published tests are all done at the widest aperture that the lens has.
Nov 09, 2015 at 07:11 PM
p.20 #4Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
The optical construction of Milvus 50/1.4 has a strong resemblance to Otus 85/1.4, but surprisingly performance is still far from Otus line.
http://kspqm.kymco.com/ckfinder/resource/event/image/milvus_otus.jpg
http://kspqm.kymco.com/ckfinder/resource/event/image/milvus_otus.jpg
Nov 09, 2015 at 07:29 PM
p.20 #5Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
mbphoto_2.8 wrote:
I simply don't like the Sigma and I can't afford the OTUS, but I wanted something really sharp outside the center, with nice, creamy Bokeh.. (I have the 50/1.4 C/Y which is identical to the ZE-version afaik)
f/1.4 to f/2.8 is important, anything else doesn't matter to me.
The Milvus 85/1.4 is perfect if you don't mind a little bit longer in focal length.
I simply don't like the Sigma and I can't afford the OTUS, but I wanted something really sharp outside the center, with nice, creamy Bokeh.. (I have the 50/1.4 C/Y which is identical to the ZE-version afaik)
f/1.4 to f/2.8 is important, anything else doesn't matter to me.
The Milvus 85/1.4 is perfect if you don't mind a little bit longer in focal length.
Nov 09, 2015 at 07:40 PM
p.20 #6Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
mbphoto_2.8 wrote:
Is it possible that the Milvus 50/1.4 doesn't beat the Sigma 50/1.4 Art?
In terms of acuity and correction at the widest apertures?
That much should be a given; the Art approaches the Otus, thus the Milvus likely doesn't, though it wouldn't be hard for the Milvus to improve on the old planar, especially at closer distances.
Is it possible that the Milvus 50/1.4 doesn't beat the Sigma 50/1.4 Art?
In terms of acuity and correction at the widest apertures?
That much should be a given; the Art approaches the Otus, thus the Milvus likely doesn't, though it wouldn't be hard for the Milvus to improve on the old planar, especially at closer distances.
Nov 09, 2015 at 07:58 PM
p.20 #7Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
phuang3 wrote:
The optical construction of Milvus 50/1.4 has a strong resemblance to Otus 85/1.4, but surprisingly performance is still far from Otus line.
Just because the shapes and positions of the glass elements looks similar, it doesn't mean that the lens will perform anything like another. The types of glass and their refractive index, as well as other special properties, matter way more than that.
The optical construction of Milvus 50/1.4 has a strong resemblance to Otus 85/1.4, but surprisingly performance is still far from Otus line.
Just because the shapes and positions of the glass elements looks similar, it doesn't mean that the lens will perform anything like another. The types of glass and their refractive index, as well as other special properties, matter way more than that.
Nov 09, 2015 at 11:49 PM
p.20 #8Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
It's a Planar design, like the Otus 85.. They are bound to "look similar".
I'd be interested in a lenstip review of the Milvus 50/1.4
I would like a lens that's sharp wide open but also gives nice, creamy bokeh.
The MTF values suggest that the Milvus is an improvement over the Planar but not that much..
What about the Bokeh?
Because my Planar is really jittery in that regard.
I'd be interested in a lenstip review of the Milvus 50/1.4
I would like a lens that's sharp wide open but also gives nice, creamy bokeh.
The MTF values suggest that the Milvus is an improvement over the Planar but not that much..
What about the Bokeh?
Because my Planar is really jittery in that regard.
Nov 10, 2015 at 02:35 AM
p.20 #9Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Sam_W wrote:
Just because the shapes and positions of the glass elements looks similar, it doesn't mean that the lens will perform anything like another. The types of glass and their refractive index, as well as other special properties, matter way more than that.
With similar design strategy, zeiss can certainly improve it to a level close to Otus, but they don't. From MTF, this Milvus does perform like an Otus at small aperture.
Just because the shapes and positions of the glass elements looks similar, it doesn't mean that the lens will perform anything like another. The types of glass and their refractive index, as well as other special properties, matter way more than that.
With similar design strategy, zeiss can certainly improve it to a level close to Otus, but they don't. From MTF, this Milvus does perform like an Otus at small aperture.
Nov 10, 2015 at 03:05 AM
p.20 #10Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Andre Y wrote:
The published tests are all done at the widest aperture that the lens has.
Thank you. it is good to know that it is a comparison of very specific condition..
The published tests are all done at the widest aperture that the lens has.
Thank you. it is good to know that it is a comparison of very specific condition..
Nov 10, 2015 at 04:24 AM
p.20 #11Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
mbphoto_2.8 wrote:
It's a Planar design, like the Otus 85.. They are bound to "look similar".
I'd be interested in a lenstip review of the Milvus 50/1.4
I would like a lens that's sharp wide open but also gives nice, creamy bokeh.
The MTF values suggest that the Milvus is an improvement over the Planar but not that much..
What about the Bokeh?
Because my Planar is really jittery in that regard.
Have you seen Phillip Reeve's review on his website? If not it is worth a look. I like Phillip's reviews a lot and I find them much more informative than sites using software based testing--which has a lot of holes in what it can test.
It's a Planar design, like the Otus 85.. They are bound to "look similar".
I'd be interested in a lenstip review of the Milvus 50/1.4
I would like a lens that's sharp wide open but also gives nice, creamy bokeh.
The MTF values suggest that the Milvus is an improvement over the Planar but not that much..
What about the Bokeh?
Because my Planar is really jittery in that regard.
Have you seen Phillip Reeve's review on his website? If not it is worth a look. I like Phillip's reviews a lot and I find them much more informative than sites using software based testing--which has a lot of holes in what it can test.
Nov 10, 2015 at 06:19 AM
p.20 #12Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Thanks for the tip. His review is nice, although not complete yet.
The Milvus really could be my 50mm prime of choice for the 1Ds.. Size seems okay (compared to my 85/1.2) and I love how it looks
The Milvus really could be my 50mm prime of choice for the 1Ds.. Size seems okay (compared to my 85/1.2) and I love how it looks
Nov 10, 2015 at 09:53 AM
p.20 #13Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Well if I compare the lensrentals mtf curves from the Sigma 1.4/50 Art and the 1.4/50 Milvus the Sigma Art seems to be the better lens at f/1.4.
I also finalized my Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 Review
I also finalized my Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 Review
Nov 10, 2015 at 11:39 AM
p.20 #14Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Has there been any rumors that a 15mm or something in this range will come out in the milvus line?
I bought the 15mm Zf.2 in May and I just worry its value will plummet if one comes out.
I was thinking it is likely not going to get an upgrade for a bit since its not an old lens but curious what others think
I bought the 15mm Zf.2 in May and I just worry its value will plummet if one comes out.
I was thinking it is likely not going to get an upgrade for a bit since its not an old lens but curious what others think
Nov 16, 2015 at 01:28 AM
p.20 #15Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
mysh wrote:
Has there been any rumors that a 15mm or something in this range will come out in the milvus line?
I bought the 15mm Zf.2 in May and I just worry its value will plummet if one comes out.
I was thinking it is likely not going to get an upgrade for a bit since its not an old lens but curious what others think
In think an update optically its very unlikely since the ZF 15mm is still a quite new lens with great optics.
The outside could be updated. But I wouln'd think this would infect the value that much. The build now is great with a metal focusring. Milvus would mean a rubber ring. I would suspect most people to prefer a metal one.
About the value. Its only important when selling the lens. If you like and use the lens now I would not care to much about that.
Has there been any rumors that a 15mm or something in this range will come out in the milvus line?
I bought the 15mm Zf.2 in May and I just worry its value will plummet if one comes out.
I was thinking it is likely not going to get an upgrade for a bit since its not an old lens but curious what others think
In think an update optically its very unlikely since the ZF 15mm is still a quite new lens with great optics.
The outside could be updated. But I wouln'd think this would infect the value that much. The build now is great with a metal focusring. Milvus would mean a rubber ring. I would suspect most people to prefer a metal one.
About the value. Its only important when selling the lens. If you like and use the lens now I would not care to much about that.
Nov 16, 2015 at 05:44 AM
p.20 #16Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Bijltje wrote:
I bought the 15mm Zf.2 in May and I just worry its value will plummet if one comes out.
I was thinking it is likely not going to get an upgrade for a bit since its not an old lens but curious what others thinkIn think an update optically its very unlikely since the ZF 15mm is still a quite new lens with great optics.
The outside could be updated. But I wouln'd think this would infect the value that much. The build now is great with a metal focusring. Milvus would mean a rubber ring. I would suspect most people to prefer a metal one.
About the value. Its only important when selling the lens. If you like and use the lens now I would not care to much about that.
It will be interesting what Zeiss does as it develops the Milvus line. I think the 15 f/2.8 may well get released without any major updating--probably just the new housing, which does provide better weather sealing, and the new coatings which seem to suppress flare a bit better. I think the new housings might allow a bit better consistency in build quality too. Still it is not a huge upgrade and my guess is that you wouldn't lose more than 10% of the value of the lens.
In addition to the 15 f/2.8, I think the 135 f/2 APO will be unlikely to be updated, and the 25 f/2 might not get an update either. I expect the 18 f/3.5 28 f/2, and probably the 35 f/1.4 to get an update. My guess is that they will give us two more a year for the next three years--probably one updated and one re-release, but holding a few back let's them have some certainty that lenses will be released each year.
mysh wrote
Has there been any rumors that a 15mm or something in this range will come out in the milvus line?I bought the 15mm Zf.2 in May and I just worry its value will plummet if one comes out.
I was thinking it is likely not going to get an upgrade for a bit since its not an old lens but curious what others think
The outside could be updated. But I wouln'd think this would infect the value that much. The build now is great with a metal focusring. Milvus would mean a rubber ring. I would suspect most people to prefer a metal one.
About the value. Its only important when selling the lens. If you like and use the lens now I would not care to much about that.
It will be interesting what Zeiss does as it develops the Milvus line. I think the 15 f/2.8 may well get released without any major updating--probably just the new housing, which does provide better weather sealing, and the new coatings which seem to suppress flare a bit better. I think the new housings might allow a bit better consistency in build quality too. Still it is not a huge upgrade and my guess is that you wouldn't lose more than 10% of the value of the lens.
In addition to the 15 f/2.8, I think the 135 f/2 APO will be unlikely to be updated, and the 25 f/2 might not get an update either. I expect the 18 f/3.5 28 f/2, and probably the 35 f/1.4 to get an update. My guess is that they will give us two more a year for the next three years--probably one updated and one re-release, but holding a few back let's them have some certainty that lenses will be released each year.
Nov 16, 2015 at 07:34 AM
p.20 #17Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
if the coatings have been improved, or small tweaks.
Is there ever a time a lens is released without "new or improved" coatings? It seems to be a marketing rule to never release a lens without saying these are "improved". I think personally it usually is a baseline claim that may have some element of truth in it, but is unlikely to be noticed in practical use 99% of the time.
Is there ever a time a lens is released without "new or improved" coatings? It seems to be a marketing rule to never release a lens without saying these are "improved". I think personally it usually is a baseline claim that may have some element of truth in it, but is unlikely to be noticed in practical use 99% of the time.
Nov 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM
p.20 #18Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
I managed to produce some pretty nasty flares with the Milvus 21. The Milvus 50 is the most flare resistant lens I have ever used.
Nov 16, 2015 at 11:30 AM
p.20 #19Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Looking at Lloyd Chambers blog it seems he is claiming that a certain type of flare that he saw with the ZF 21 doesn't occur with the Milvus 21 because of the new coatings. I am sure Phillip is right that the Milvus 21 still can flare at times, but it might be better than the ZE/ZF version of the lens.
Nov 16, 2015 at 02:41 PM
p.20 #20Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
mbphoto_2.8 wrote:
It's a Planar design, like the Otus 85.. They are bound to "look similar".
I'd be interested in a lenstip review of the Milvus 50/1.4
I would like a lens that's sharp wide open but also gives nice, creamy bokeh.
The MTF values suggest that the Milvus is an improvement over the Planar but not that much..
What about the Bokeh?
Because my Planar is really jittery in that regard.
Milvus 50 is distagon, and Otus 85 is apo planar. Resemblance of the section also confuses me as to where the distinction lies. Otus 85 section is rather complex and not symmetrical, but still planar, may be someone who can read the difference can explain...
It's a Planar design, like the Otus 85.. They are bound to "look similar".
I'd be interested in a lenstip review of the Milvus 50/1.4
I would like a lens that's sharp wide open but also gives nice, creamy bokeh.
The MTF values suggest that the Milvus is an improvement over the Planar but not that much..
What about the Bokeh?
Because my Planar is really jittery in that regard.
Milvus 50 is distagon, and Otus 85 is apo planar. Resemblance of the section also confuses me as to where the distinction lies. Otus 85 section is rather complex and not symmetrical, but still planar, may be someone who can read the difference can explain...
Nov 16, 2015 at 06:20 PM