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Archive 2015 · Announced: Sony A7R II

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p.13 #1 · Announced: Sony A7R II

AGeoJO wrote:
Still, I bet you almost anything that it would sell like hot cakes. One hesitation I have is the looming price drop after Sony employees get their hands on this camera for 50% off and sell them on the B&S board for 25% off. From what I could gather/understand, they can do that after 2-3 months after a new product is available. So, figure 3-4 months from August, before Christmas or so, this camera will be offered for sale for around $2,500 or so.
I'll be waiting for this lol. I've held off of the a7 ii and a7s even at nice prices.

Jun 10, 2015 at 09:20 PM

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p.13 #2 · Announced: Sony A7R II

VetraLens wrote:
I'm assuming they mean that the Sony/Metabones combo focuses faster than a Canon using on-sensor phase-detection AF in live-view.

dpreview is saying:

"We're being told it appears comparable with OVF, secondary sensor PDAF."

Jun 10, 2015 at 09:46 PM

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p.13 #3 · Announced: Sony A7R II

Will this kill 1DX AF ?

Jun 10, 2015 at 09:55 PM

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p.13 #4 · Announced: Sony A7R II

kewlcanon wrote:
Will this kill 1DX AF ?

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At 5 fps... I don't think so

Jun 10, 2015 at 10:02 PM

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p.13 #5 · Announced: Sony A7R II

I wonder if Sony will wait till the A7 III to match the features on the A7R II minus the sensor? That's one camera I would definitely buy...I personally don't have use for that many mega pixels.

Jun 10, 2015 at 10:15 PM

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p.13 #6 · Announced: Sony A7R II

Dpedraza wrote:
I felt the same just didn't say anything

I know the price is high, but when you look at what the camera delivers it is not too far away from what many people were hoping to get in the "Pro" e-mount body. It isn't a 50+mp sensor, but at 42 it isn't far away and it is a very promising BSI sensor (we will have to wait to see how much difference that makes, but it holds the promise of a nice advance in technology). It shoots 5 fps, maybe not the 8 to 10 one would expect of a pro body but still much better than I expected. It has 5 axis IBIS. It has an electronic first curtain shutter. It has surprisingly high level video capabilities.It has what looks to be a nice improvement in AF over not just the A7r, but even the A7 II.

If the same specs came in a bit larger body with better battery life, two cards slots, decent weather sealing, and the ability to record lossless RAW, then I think many would have been reasonably happy with it as a "Pro" body. Since none of those things are all that expensive it isn't too surprising that the price is close to what would be expected of the "Pro" body. The cost here is obviously in the high resolution BSI sensor and the value will be determined by just how good that sensor is. In a few months we will have a lot better idea if the price makes sense or not, but without knowing how this new sensor performs I think it is very hard to make that judgment.

By the way can anybody give us a short summary of the advantages and disadvantages (I assume there are some, but maybe not) of a BSI sensor.

Jun 10, 2015 at 10:24 PM

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p.13 #7 · Announced: Sony A7R II

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hmmm. Now the issue is what glass to have. Too bad the 24-70 f4 isn't better.Also, I wonder why bother putting OSS in all of these prime lenses if all bodies are going to have IBIS.

The answer is that the 5 axis IBIS will only use 3 axes and the system will use 2 axes from the lens offering more effective stabilization. The A7 II already does this.

Jun 10, 2015 at 10:35 PM

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p.13 #8 · Announced: Sony A7R II

never had this feeling before. Really really excited with this anouncement

Sony show their commitment & innovation this time. will wait for a while for price drop

then dump my aged 5D for this one. Salute you, Sony 😁

Jun 10, 2015 at 10:37 PM

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p.13 #9 · Announced: Sony A7R II

Waiting for this sensor in the next Nikon FF camera, can't wait to buy that. Thanks for innovating SONY! It will push other cameras to compete.

Jun 10, 2015 at 10:41 PM

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p.13 #10 · Announced: Sony A7R II

Sorry, "Can't fight this feeling" anymore

"...I tell myself that I can't hold out forever
I said there is no reason for my fear
'Cause I feel so secure when we're together
You give my life direction
You make everything so clear

And even as I wander
I'm keeping you in sight
You're a candle in the window
On a cold, dark winter's night
And I'm getting closer than I ever thought I might..."

Have a nice day!

Jun 10, 2015 at 10:43 PM

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p.13 #11 · Announced: Sony A7R II

Very interesting announcement. I am a Nikon user, having owned a D800 since release basically. I recently picked up a D810 and find it an absolute pleasure to use in every way; all my gripes with the D800 have been addressed and more. I did also dabble with Sony for a while; never selling out of Nikon but I did buy an A7r on the side and shot with that alongside my D800 for a few months. I recently sold the Sony (thankfully getting back exactly what I paid for it) - and today that decision is looking like an even better one.

Despite having only just pulled the trigger on the D810, I have no regrets. Fundamentally the reason I sold my A7r was that at every shoot where the two cameras were in my bag together, I would reach for the D800 every time. I just didn't enjoy shooting with the Sony all that much. I can't see that actually changing with the new body.

I shoot landscapes only; and certainly it's likely the 42MP sensor will offer an IQ upgrade. The 6MP resolution bump is a given, but what benefit we get from BSI remains to be seen. Also interested to understand if Sony have pushed dynamic range any further with the new sensor. From the perspective of the other features added, largely they don't really have any appeal to me as a landscape photographer. I never use video, auto focus or image stablisation as I am always tripod mounted. The welcome addition of EFCS is a great improvement over the A7r, but I already have it in my D810.

I am relieved to say that I don't really look at this body with any level of regret around buying my D810. Yes - the A7R II looks fantastic and if I hadn't just bought a D810 I may have given it more consideration, but as it stands... I am pretty happy.

For Canon users, jump ship now! This thing creams the 5DS/r.

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Jun 10, 2015 at 10:50 PM

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Jman13 wrote:
I'm actually glad it's $3,200. Because that way I still feel good about my A7 II purchase. No way I can swing $3K+ on a body, so picking up the A7 II when it went on sale a few weeks ago still feels nice. If it were $2200 or so, I'd be SO regretting that purchase. The A7R II looks really, really good.

Its pricey for sure, but, this is actually the first mirrorless that I could see actually replacing most of my other camera's.

Its obviously got the resolution covered, but if its also a low light champ, focuses fast enough for everything but sports action, has IBIS, good handling due to the newer grip design, 4k video internally etc

I could see myself actually selling a couple of DSLRs and maybe keeping just 1 Nikon with my 200-400 for sports work, as there really isn't much need otherwise for the D800, nor would I need the FZ1000 for video shooting, nor the A7 mkII which is my go to personal shooting camera, nor the A7s etc

If one camera can give me silent shutter, IBIS, 4k video, insane resolution with no AA filter, near DSLR AF speed, a fantastic EVF that rivals a OVF, and does all this in a compact body, and for "just" $32000..... thats actually quite a deal!

I'd certainly need to sell off some other gear to help pay for it, but I think this could be a real game changer for a lot of people.

So many of us have to keep various cameras around to cover all our needs, such as maybe we need something that can do 4k video interally, so that is one camera, and then we want something that is quick shooting so we need another mirrorless brand option, but then we also want high resolution so we own an A7r, even though its so limited in other roles etc etc

Short of true sports action shooting, I think this is the closest thing to a true do it all camera to date

Jun 10, 2015 at 10:50 PM

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p.13 #13 · Announced: Sony A7R II

davewolfs wrote:
I disagree.

The battery argument has some truth but one can easily carry an extra battery on hand in their pocket, they are tiny. Between this and a second battery one can get 500 shots easily (and I'm underestimating that).

Additionally if one wants a larger grip and longer battery you can optionally add that grip taking you up to a compact DSLR size.

With DSLR there is no option to size down. It's always big (or really big with the grip). Even though the weight might be close now - only a few ounces the bulkiness is quite different. Sony packs...Show more →

While you do make a few good points, I think you're missing my point. The "advantage" of the EVF is non-existent for what I do, for example. Astro-landscape and timelapse photography is actually PAINFUL with an EVF, in my experience, due to the eye strain caused by looking at a bright electronic screen 100% of the time, in the pitch-black of night. Neither the EVF or the rear LCD, in my experience, has a dim enough setting to not hurt your eyes.

Overall, yes this is an amazing camera. Yes it does have plenty of advantages, some that would indeed apply to what I do. However, the advantages of my D750 still make it the superior choice, for me.

Jun 10, 2015 at 10:51 PM

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p.13 #14 · Announced: Sony A7R II

I watch cameras improve from a safe distance, without the need for updating what I own...for now.

My question would be, as Sony continues to build newer, more complex cameras, will they also develop the ability to service them, and offer potential customers the (hoped for) assurance of a professional camera company to back up their products?

Jun 10, 2015 at 10:54 PM

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hiepphotog wrote:
Have you looked at the system as a whole? With lenses on, the Sony system certainly have clear advantage in term of weight and size. Not that you choose to ignore the fact the D750 MP is no where closed to the 42MP, no IBIS, no BSI, etc. (too many to list really). If weight is your priority, last gen A7 series still can hang with D750 in term of IQ. This next gen Sony is clearly ahead of the D750. For landscape, I would take the full-time LV over the clunky mirror-flip LV of the D750.

Yes, looking at the system as a whole is EXACTLY what I did. ;-) In short, the lenses I'd be using for what I do are almost exactly the same. Rokinon 14mm 2.8, Rokinon 24mm f/1.4, Sigma 35 1.4, Nikon 50 1.8...

For astro-landscape photography, there are no native Sony lenses that make sense, other than the Rokinons which are basically just a built-in adapter'd version of the DSLR lens. And the Sony would offer me worse weather protection (the body, that is) and zero EXIF transmission, while my Nikons can transmit and control almost all EXIF data.

I'll indeed grant that if the A7R II is an apple, then the D750 is an orange. 24 MP is no substitute for 42 MP, in many applications. And having a BSI sensor would be great for what I do. However, as I mentioned, in theory megapixels weigh nothing, so a D750 body with Nikon's next Sony-supplied sensor is not out of the question.

However, as I mentioned in my most recent response, I'll take the "clunky" OVF system any day, for nighttime landscapes in general, let alone for multi-hour timelapse shooting. Besides, the D750 and D810 both have a pretty sophisticated exposure delay mode that integrates very smoothly into a shooting workflow.

Jun 10, 2015 at 11:01 PM

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p.13 #16 · Announced: Sony A7R II

A couple of comments
- the gap between A7 II and A7R II is greater than the gap between A7 and A7R. Sony did the same with the NEX family. NEX 5 and 3 bunched closely together, and, then, once sucess had been achieved, the next generation cameras were more finely segmented.
- The A7 family looked like the ultimate mirrorless, in that those cameras brought mirrorless to an unprecedented performance level, but still left areas where DSLRs were the only way to go. This is an attempt to make the best camera out there in 35mm format, mirror or no mirror. This makes 5D III and D 810 tough sells IMHO.
- My f:1.4 MF Zeiss glass just got an extra 2 stops from the new sensor, and maybe another 2 from IBIS. Wow! Very, very Wow!

Jun 10, 2015 at 11:07 PM

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p.13 #17 · Announced: Sony A7R II

pmklausler wrote:
Uncompressed RAW is *not* what we want -- or, more precisely, it would be a lame second-best option.

What is absolutely required for critical work are (1) fixing the bit depth reduction in many shooting modes, including bracketed exposures, (2) fixing the tone curve so that it's at least linear in the shadows, and (3) wrapping this up in a *losslessly* compressed format.

The A7rII specs say that the RAW format is ARW 2.3, the same flawed lossy format used on the NEX/A7 bodies. So I am doubtful that any of these problems have been fixed. The meta-problem of Sony not fixing...Show more →

...Or, the way Nikon does it: A MENU OPTION. The Nikon D810 can do un-compressed, lossless compressed, AND lossy compressed. Oh, and you can dictate either 12-bit or 14-bit.

This way, you can jump from 12-bit lossy compression for high-volume action work, and 14-bit lossless for low-volume fine art or landscape work. (BTW, the Nikon D810's sRAW mode is, unfortunately, useless, as it delivers a horribly compressed ~9 megapixel file that takes up the same space as a 12-bit compressed 36 MP file, lol. Fail, fail, fail.)

This, IMO, is the biggest flaw in the A7R mk2's overall delivery. Everything else about it is amazing and competition-shaming. (Despite my own disinterest in it, due to my happiness with the Nikon D750 for what I do)

Sony needs to stop being so stubborn on this one issue! They would make many big-print landscape photographers very very happy.

Jun 10, 2015 at 11:14 PM

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p.13 #18 · Announced: Sony A7R II

Aztatlan wrote:
Despite having only just pulled the trigger on the D810, I have no regrets. Fundamentally the reason I sold my A7r was that at every shoot where the two cameras were in my bag together, I would reach for the D800 every time. I just didn't enjoy shooting with the Sony all that much. I can't see that actually changing with the new body.

This is IMO the most disappointing aspect of the a7RII. All the new features/specs are truly impressive. But the physical interface (and I assume menu design too) has not significantly changed for the better.

Jun 10, 2015 at 11:23 PM

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matthewsaville wrote:
...Or, the way Nikon does it: A MENU OPTION. The Nikon D810 can do un-compressed, lossless compressed, AND lossy compressed. Oh, and you can dictate either 12-bit or 14-bit.

This way, you can jump from 12-bit lossy compression for high-volume action work, and 14-bit lossless for low-volume fine art or landscape work. (BTW, the Nikon D810's sRAW mode is, unfortunately, useless, as it delivers a horribly compressed ~9 megapixel file that takes up the same space as a 12-bit compressed 36 MP file, lol. Fail, fail, fail.)

This, IMO, is the biggest flaw in the A7R mk2's overall delivery. Everything else about...Show more →

it's a flaw most sony users just live with, and IMO no bearing on whether or not to get the A7rii. A compressed A7rii file will likely be quite a bit better than a noncompressed D750 raw, and DEFINITELY better than any canon raw

I dont think I've ever seen such a comprehensive update ever before; the a7rii changes are MASSIVE, and props to sony for tackling every single issue that I was concerned with, an then some. Props to them for really dishing out the goods. Sure, a few are disgruntled about the lossy raw, but hey, cant win them all. Paper specs are outrageous for sure.

Jun 10, 2015 at 11:25 PM

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p.13 #20 · Announced: Sony A7R II

Anybody else more excited about the CLM-FHD5 than the A7rII?

I've made a promise to myself not to buy a new camera until they improve the LCD. We used to get a bump in resolution (and size, though I don't care about that) every generation but we've been stuck at these 3" 900k dot (yeah, yeah, I know, Sony added a white dot for marketing reasons so technically it's now 1.2m dots, but the resolution is the same so I don't acknowledge it) jobs for quite a while now.

Jun 10, 2015 at 11:30 PM

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