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Archive 2015Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
p.22 #1Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
RobertLynn wrote:
3 grand for an f/4....
3 grand...
damn.
chez wrote:
Yeh, that's my thoughts. I can get a nice used Nikon 14-24 for under $1500.
There's a big difference between 11 and 14mm on FX though.
EBH
3 grand for an f/4....
3 grand...
damn.
chez wrote:
Yeh, that's my thoughts. I can get a nice used Nikon 14-24 for under $1500.
There's a big difference between 11 and 14mm on FX though.
EBH
Feb 07, 2015 at 12:05 AM
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Gunzorro wrote:
Manual mode is 100% exposure compensation. It is only exposure compensation, with no automatic exposure, hence the name "manual mode".I understand what you are saying, and that only applies when you have the time to deal with all three numbers manually...shitter, f stop and ISO. When I am shooting indoor plays and concerts and need all images at -1 exposure. If all three numbers are manual, the exposure is constantly changing as the lighting changes on stage. Exposure comp in Manual (as in the 7d2 and DX) allows me to auto the ISO (because I dont care about that setting) and dial in the sutter and f stop i want, and still keep it at -1. The ISO changes but again that is not important to me.
That is why I need this feature. It worked perfectly for me on the 7d2, but i just never liked the image quality of that camera.Why not shoot in Tv mode to freeze motion, and allow shifting aperture and Auto ISO to control exposure changes? Is there something I'm not getting?
Yup...thats exactly what I have been doing, but at times I do not want 2.8, I rather go to 3.5. So while I am playing with the numbers, I am missing shots. I want to be able to lock down 1/160 3.5 Auto ISO and tell the camera to under expose -1. If anyone has ever shot High School plays or performances before, they know why the exposure is set to -1. Those spot lights are very harsh.
dacop wrote
Monito wrote
dacop wrote
2. Anyone know is there is exposure comp in manual mode?That is why I need this feature. It worked perfectly for me on the 7d2, but i just never liked the image quality of that camera.
Yup...thats exactly what I have been doing, but at times I do not want 2.8, I rather go to 3.5. So while I am playing with the numbers, I am missing shots. I want to be able to lock down 1/160 3.5 Auto ISO and tell the camera to under expose -1. If anyone has ever shot High School plays or performances before, they know why the exposure is set to -1. Those spot lights are very harsh.
Feb 07, 2015 at 12:06 AM
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Why not shoot with manual aperture and shutter speed, allowing only auto ISO? Or does the 5Ds still not have proper auto ISO like the 1D X?
EBH
EBH
Feb 07, 2015 at 12:11 AM
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dhphoto wrote:
Then call it Auto ISO. Manual is manual. I gather some manufacturers
have muddied the water with the terminology, but you and we do not have
to do the same.But as Canon have sensibly added this feature into it's most recent high end cameras (the ability to select M and have the camera decide the correct exposure using ISO) then it does make sense to add exposure compensation to this mode. To not add it to a flagship new model is a great shame. It's not like it would have cost them anything at all.
Canon really do appear to have made this camera down to a price - the old 5D3 body coupled with oversized sensors from the 7D2 production line. Much less investment and thought has gone into...Show more →
AMEN!!! Someone finally understands what the feature does in the DX and 7d2. No matter what you want to call it, Manual mode in not exposure comp, unless you want to play with the ISO continuously while shooting. If you are in Manual, and the ISO is in auto, the camera will adjust the ISO for what it thinks is the correct exposure and there is no way to drop to down to -1. Only the DX and 7d2 have this option. I do hope the new 5d4 does.
Monito wrote
dacop wrote
Exposure comp in Manual (as in the 7d2 and DX) allows me to auto the ISOhave muddied the water with the terminology, but you and we do not have
to do the same.
Canon really do appear to have made this camera down to a price - the old 5D3 body coupled with oversized sensors from the 7D2 production line. Much less investment and thought has gone into...Show more →
AMEN!!! Someone finally understands what the feature does in the DX and 7d2. No matter what you want to call it, Manual mode in not exposure comp, unless you want to play with the ISO continuously while shooting. If you are in Manual, and the ISO is in auto, the camera will adjust the ISO for what it thinks is the correct exposure and there is no way to drop to down to -1. Only the DX and 7d2 have this option. I do hope the new 5d4 does.
Feb 07, 2015 at 12:19 AM
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EB-1 wrote:
Why not shoot with manual aperture and shutter speed, allowing only auto ISO? Or does the 5Ds still not have proper auto ISO like the 1D X?
EBH
Because in manual aperture and shutter with auto ISO, the camera will dial in what it thinks is the proper exposure. Which is not when I need at -1 or -2 drop. But only the DX and 7d2 allow you do make that adjustment. And it didn't originally ship with the DX, it was added later after many complaints to Canon...so I heard.
Why not shoot with manual aperture and shutter speed, allowing only auto ISO? Or does the 5Ds still not have proper auto ISO like the 1D X?
EBH
Because in manual aperture and shutter with auto ISO, the camera will dial in what it thinks is the proper exposure. Which is not when I need at -1 or -2 drop. But only the DX and 7d2 allow you do make that adjustment. And it didn't originally ship with the DX, it was added later after many complaints to Canon...so I heard.
Feb 07, 2015 at 12:23 AM
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EB-1 wrote:
Why not shoot with manual aperture and shutter speed, allowing only auto ISO? Or does the 5Ds still not have proper auto ISO like the 1D X?
EBH
dacop wrote:
Because in manual aperture and shutter with auto ISO, the camera will dial in what it thinks is the proper exposure. Which is not when I need at -1 or -2 drop. But only the DX and 7d2 allow you do make that adjustment. And it didn't originally ship with the DX, it was added later after many complaints to Canon...so I heard.
Yes, it was in a firmware update. Is it known whether the 5Ds also has true auto ISO with EC or is it assumed not to have that because the body is based on the 5D III?
EBH
Why not shoot with manual aperture and shutter speed, allowing only auto ISO? Or does the 5Ds still not have proper auto ISO like the 1D X?
EBH
dacop wrote:
Because in manual aperture and shutter with auto ISO, the camera will dial in what it thinks is the proper exposure. Which is not when I need at -1 or -2 drop. But only the DX and 7d2 allow you do make that adjustment. And it didn't originally ship with the DX, it was added later after many complaints to Canon...so I heard.
Yes, it was in a firmware update. Is it known whether the 5Ds also has true auto ISO with EC or is it assumed not to have that because the body is based on the 5D III?
EBH
Feb 07, 2015 at 12:43 AM
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RobertLynn wrote:
3 grand for an f/4....
3 grand...
damn.
the TS-e 17 - an F/4 it's only $2250 these days...and no IS either
3 grand for an f/4....
3 grand...
damn.
the TS-e 17 - an F/4 it's only $2250 these days...and no IS either
Feb 07, 2015 at 01:38 AM
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EB-1 wrote:
EBHYes, it was in a firmware update. Is it known whether the 5Ds also has true auto ISO with EC or is it assumed not to have that because the body is based on the 5D III?
EBH
I read on dpreview that it did have.
EB-1 wrote
Why not shoot with manual aperture and shutter speed, allowing only auto ISO? Or does the 5Ds still not have proper auto ISO like the 1D X?EBH
dacop wrote
Because in manual aperture and shutter with auto ISO, the camera will dial in what it thinks is the proper exposure. Which is not when I need at -1 or -2 drop. But only the DX and 7d2 allow you do make that adjustment. And it didn't originally ship with the DX, it was added later after many complaints to Canon...so I heard.EBH
I read on dpreview that it did have.
Feb 07, 2015 at 01:54 AM
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canon1 wrote:
The price for this lens is ridiculous!
When I heard they were making a 11mm rectilinear lens that was pretty much what I expected it was going to cost. If it's worth doing something extreme like that then it's worth doing properly and making a lens that's sharp at 11mm.
RobertLynn wrote:
3 grand for an f/4....
3 grand...
damn.
If you think that's bad, you should see how much they charge for an f/5.6!
The price for this lens is ridiculous!
When I heard they were making a 11mm rectilinear lens that was pretty much what I expected it was going to cost. If it's worth doing something extreme like that then it's worth doing properly and making a lens that's sharp at 11mm.
RobertLynn wrote:
3 grand for an f/4....
3 grand...
damn.
If you think that's bad, you should see how much they charge for an f/5.6!
Feb 07, 2015 at 04:15 AM
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Rajan Parrikar wrote:
Oh, never mind. They are here -
http://www.ephotozine.com/article/canon-ef-11-24mm-f-4l-usm-lens-sample-photos-26926?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Ephotozine+%28ePHOTOzine%29
Oh wow! Very encouraging.
Love the little tiny spot of flare in the one shot where the sun is just in/out of the frame. Well controlled. I've seen lenses completely lose contrast under those conditions.
Oh, never mind. They are here -
http://www.ephotozine.com/article/canon-ef-11-24mm-f-4l-usm-lens-sample-photos-26926?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Ephotozine+%28ePHOTOzine%29
Oh wow! Very encouraging.
Love the little tiny spot of flare in the one shot where the sun is just in/out of the frame. Well controlled. I've seen lenses completely lose contrast under those conditions.
Feb 07, 2015 at 08:57 AM
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dacop wrote:
Then call it Auto ISO. Manual is manual. I gather some manufacturers
have muddied the water with the terminology, but you and we do not have
to do the same.But as Canon have sensibly added this feature into it's most recent high end cameras (the ability to select M and have the camera decide the correct exposure using ISO) then it does make sense to add exposure compensation to this mode. To not add it to a flagship new model is a great shame. It's not like it would have cost them anything at all.
Canon really do appear to have made this camera down to a price - the old 5D3 body coupled with oversized sensors from the 7D2 production line. Much less investment and thought has gone into this than I had hoped.AMEN!!! Someone finally understands what the feature does in the DX and 7d2. No matter what you want to call it, Manual mode in not exposure comp, unless you want to play with the ISO continuously while shooting. If you are in Manual, and the ISO is in auto, the camera will adjust the ISO for what it thinks is the correct exposure and there is no way to drop to down to -1. Only the DX and 7d2 have this option. I do hope the new 5d4 does.
Well, these are sport-type cameras, and I see why they would have this feature, and not other models. I'd say the 5D series won't have this feature in later models, but who knows. How about getting a 7D2 now, or wait a bit longer as the prices of 1DX come down further?
dhphoto wrote
Monito wrote
dacop wrote
Exposure comp in Manual (as in the 7d2 and DX) allows me to auto the ISOhave muddied the water with the terminology, but you and we do not have
to do the same.
Canon really do appear to have made this camera down to a price - the old 5D3 body coupled with oversized sensors from the 7D2 production line. Much less investment and thought has gone into this than I had hoped.
Well, these are sport-type cameras, and I see why they would have this feature, and not other models. I'd say the 5D series won't have this feature in later models, but who knows. How about getting a 7D2 now, or wait a bit longer as the prices of 1DX come down further?
Feb 07, 2015 at 09:05 AM
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Why? It's just programming and even the $1000 Nikon bodies have had EC in manual aperture/shutter auto ISO node for years.
EBH
EBH
Feb 07, 2015 at 09:52 AM
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Rajan Parrikar wrote:
The lens is very intriguing - can't wait to see how it performs.
Tom_W wrote:
Haven't seen a full size image yet from the 11-24.
MTF says its not as sharp as either 16-35.... I suspect this will be a very niche lens.... Real Estate people will likely love it as will the fine-art crowd.
The lens is very intriguing - can't wait to see how it performs.
Tom_W wrote:
Haven't seen a full size image yet from the 11-24.
MTF says its not as sharp as either 16-35.... I suspect this will be a very niche lens.... Real Estate people will likely love it as will the fine-art crowd.
Feb 07, 2015 at 12:09 PM
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pKai wrote:
MTF says its not as sharp as either 16-35.... I suspect this will be a very niche lens.... Real Estate people will likely love it as will the fine-art crowd.
It's going to be WAY better than my Sigma 12-24/f4.5-5.6 version I. ;D
Rajan Parrikar wrote
The lens is very intriguing - can't wait to see how it performs.Tom_W wrote
Haven't seen a full size image yet from the 11-24.It's going to be WAY better than my Sigma 12-24/f4.5-5.6 version I. ;D
Feb 07, 2015 at 12:11 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
For those who like technical information and graphs...check out Canon Europe:
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/inside_the_eos_5ds_and_eos_5ds_r.do
Why is it Canon's American sites hardly ever publish this cool technical stuff? Do they think we're stupid and disinterested on this side of the pond?
For those who like technical information and graphs...check out Canon Europe:
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/inside_the_eos_5ds_and_eos_5ds_r.do
Why is it Canon's American sites hardly ever publish this cool technical stuff? Do they think we're stupid and disinterested on this side of the pond?
Feb 07, 2015 at 12:11 PM
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pKai wrote:
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/inside_the_eos_5ds_and_eos_5ds_r.doWhy is it Canon's American sites hardly ever publish this cool technical stuff? Do they think we're stupid and disinterested on this side of the pond?
Canon Professional Network (CPN) is actually a pretty cool website. Just bookmark it and forget about the usa.canon site.
Fred Miranda wrote
For those who like technical information and graphs...check out Canon Europe:http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/inside_the_eos_5ds_and_eos_5ds_r.do
Canon Professional Network (CPN) is actually a pretty cool website. Just bookmark it and forget about the usa.canon site.
Feb 07, 2015 at 12:20 PM
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pKai wrote:
MTF says its not as sharp as either 16-35.... I suspect this will be a very niche lens.... Real Estate people will likely love it as will the fine-art crowd.
Where do you see MTF, I did not find it at Canon USA or CPN.
Rajan Parrikar wrote
The lens is very intriguing - can't wait to see how it performs.Tom_W wrote
Haven't seen a full size image yet from the 11-24.Where do you see MTF, I did not find it at Canon USA or CPN.
Feb 07, 2015 at 01:03 PM
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ben egbert wrote:
MTF says its not as sharp as either 16-35.... I suspect this will be a very niche lens.... Real Estate people will likely love it as will the fine-art crowd.Where do you see MTF, I did not find it at Canon USA or CPN.
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_11_24mm_f_4l_usm
pKai wrote
Rajan Parrikar wrote
The lens is very intriguing - can't wait to see how it performs.Tom_W wrote
Haven't seen a full size image yet from the 11-24.http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_11_24mm_f_4l_usm
Feb 07, 2015 at 01:17 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
MTF says its not as sharp as either 16-35.... I suspect this will be a very niche lens.... Real Estate people will likely love it as will the fine-art crowd.Where do you see MTF, I did not find it at Canon USA or CPN.http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_11_24mm_f_4l_usm
Thanks, I thought I looked there, bu did not find it. I am going to compare it to the 17TSE which is my wa standard.
ben egbert wrote
pKai wrote
Rajan Parrikar wrote
The lens is very intriguing - can't wait to see how it performs.Tom_W wrote
Haven't seen a full size image yet from the 11-24.Thanks, I thought I looked there, bu did not find it. I am going to compare it to the 17TSE which is my wa standard.
Feb 07, 2015 at 01:25 PM
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I've read all 22 pages and I'm disappointed that there isn't more to this camera. I was hoping a high MP cam would spur Canon lens sales to help me sell the gear I have now to fund a 1Dx purchase. That doesn't seem likely.
It does seem that the market is fragmenting more...the travel/lightweight crowd is moving to MLC, sports and wildlife guys 7D2, everything else is case by case. The 5D3 is an awesome all around camera, it's still tough to beat. It will be interesting to see the results from this camera, and also how it impacts the market.
It does seem that the market is fragmenting more...the travel/lightweight crowd is moving to MLC, sports and wildlife guys 7D2, everything else is case by case. The 5D3 is an awesome all around camera, it's still tough to beat. It will be interesting to see the results from this camera, and also how it impacts the market.
Feb 07, 2015 at 08:25 PM