p.18 #1 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
gdanmitchell wrote:
Dan
(Who reminds people that the "hide me" button can make forum participation a much more friendly proposition. If you don't like that, feel free to hide me! ;-)
But the "hide" button also takes some of the diversity out as well. If I had to "hide" anyone that ever made a snarky comment I'd have to hide a ton of people (including myself!)
More critically, the "hide me" button is counterproductive to making the forum a friendlier place as a whole. Instead of discouraging snark, all it does is bury it under your own personal rug. But any newcomers that walk in still see a dirty floor.
p.18 #2 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
dhphoto wrote:
A bracket of three, even five shots can take less than a second. So no.
Well, it can, but that would be a pretty useless bracketing for landscapes. In landscape bracketing, sometimes the middle frame itself takes several seconds, so the entire sequence can stretch out to quite a bit. And it takes a very cooperative landscape for no movement for this long.
p.18 #4 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
dhphoto wrote:
A bracket of three, even five shots can take less than a second. So no.
Edit: wow, Howard and Retrofocus just jumped on that, they really mean business today "kill the heretic, the unbeliever"
I was just having fun with you, I dont take all this too seriously I can use use my 1DX and get a bracketed sequence of 5 shots in around half a second and I do sometimes, but when you have waves breaking, a fast flowing river or you're doing long exposures you still run into issues. I've had decent success blending one RAW files into multiple pushed and pulled exposures so in some cases thats a good work around.
My point regarding this sensor (as yet not fully and independantly tested so we can't make any cast iron conclusions) is that it's a little disappointing. I, like many, expected Canon to give the Sony Exmor a run for its money. That said, I did have a short Facebook interaction with David Noton, A Canon Explorer, and he basically said the 5DS has fantastic IQ for landscapes and is a viable alternative to the D810. What that really means in reality is yet to be determined.
p.18 #5 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
I don't know if this is in bounds to post but it was perhaps the first shot that I thought was a bit hopeful. It compares the 5d3 on the right to the downsized 5ds on the left. Click the flower crop comparison to expand the image a bit. FWIW
p.18 #6 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
In regards to bracketing...I would also point out that it is going to be less convenient in post processing with a 50mp sensor than it was with a 21-22mp sensor. Not to say that hardware upgrades won't help, but still...blending 3 50mp shots is going to make more of an impact on workflow.
p.18 #7 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
I don't need more DR. I have enough. I shoot 1Ds3, 5DII, Fuji XPro1. Why are so any people bellyaching about this all day? Occasionally I have to bracket or blend, but mostly I get excellent (gallery) results from one frame. cputek is correct:
"Just how much DR are we going to need? How seriously does the DR limitation affect people?"
p.18 #8 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
dhphoto wrote:
No, sometimes it can take several seconds, which clearly would be an utter disaster for you
If the exposure is long enough to show movement then the fact that you are bracketing doesn't matter anyway.
I hope you are not arguing that bracketing solves all problems with limited DR.
We are not arguing that bracketing is not a valid workaround under some circumstances. Let me make it clear: I agree it is a valid workaround under some circumstances.
But we are saying that bracketing does not apply in all cases.
For example:
Civil war fortress, flag flapping in the wind. Nice sunset in background. Foreground dark. I want the flag to be sharp (the rippling shape will convey the sense of motion). Take a picture with high shutter speed to freeze motion. Sky properly exposed, foreground too dark. How do you suggest I bracket in this case?
(there are many other cases, this is but one example)
p.18 #9 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
howard wrote:
I hope you are not arguing that bracketing solves all problems with limited DR.
We are not arguing that bracketing is not a valid workaround under some circumstances. Let me make it clear: I agree it is a valid workaround under some circumstances.
But we are saying that bracketing does not apply in all cases.
For example:
Civil war fortress, flag flapping in the wind. Nice sunset in background. Foreground dark. I want the flag to be sharp (the rippling shape will convey the sense of motion). Take a picture with high shutter speed to freeze motion. Sky properly exposed, foreground too dark. How do you suggest I bracket in this case?
(there are many other cases, this is but one example) ...Show more →
There are any number of things you could do, you could bracket around the appropriate shutter speed and just clone the flag in in post, you could do a couple of RAW conversions at different densities and combine them, there are plenty of other options.
p.18 #10 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
dhphoto wrote:
There are any number of things you could do, you could bracket around the appropriate shutter speed and just clone the flag in in post, you could do a couple of RAW conversions at different densities and combine them, there are other options.
These are still workarounds. There is only so much whip cream you can put on a roadkill (metaphorically, I know it is harsh to say so).
And do you not see, even if this works, how cumbersome your process is.
p.18 #11 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
howard wrote:
These are still workarounds. There is only so much whip cream you can put on a roadkill (metaphorically, I know it is harsh to say so). No, thank you.
p.18 #12 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Jeffrey wrote:
I don't need more DR. I have enough. I shoot 1Ds3, 5DII, Fuji XPro1. Why are so any people bellyaching about this all day? Occasionally I have to bracket or blend, but mostly I get excellent (gallery) results from one frame. cputek is correct:
"Just how much DR are we going to need? How seriously does the DR limitation affect people?"
Um, simple: because not everyone is like you! In those cases where even you admit you "have to" bracket or blend, movement can be a killer for some shots. Not always, perhaps not often, but I use it more often than I use 7 fps, especially when the scene DR (where I can see detail in the shadows before I take the shot) exceeds the camera's ability to capture those details without blowing the highlights I want to preserve..
p.18 #16 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
I'm actually pretty happy with the DR of my 6D, although part of that is probably based on my having learned to work around it. If the 5Ds/r gave me any better DR than the 6D along with the 50MP I'd be pre-ordering. As it is I'll wait and see what the 5D4 and A9r look like. And I may just stick with what I have.
I can use use my 1DX and get a bracketed sequence of 5 shots in around half a second and I do sometimes, but when you have waves breaking, a fast flowing river or you're doing long exposures you still run into issues. I've had decent success blending one RAW files into multiple pushed and pulled exposures so in some cases thats a good work around. 