Bones74 wrote:
You are quite right, there a market, which I have acknowledged, however my point is that with the competition offering high mp and high DR at a "low" price, it would have been more sensible for Canon to do the same. It means Joe Average Nikon shooter, who is not a wealthy man, can afford to shoot high mp, high DR range images, while Joe Average Canon shooter, who is also not a wealthy man, doesn't have that option. There are a heck of a lot more Joe Averages out there than Rich Dudes (or successful cash rich photography businesses). This means all these Joe Average Canon shooters either have to stick with what they have or explore affordablealternative brands....Show more →
If "Joe Average Canon" shooter needs a higher MP and higher DR camera now (or recently), s/he can keep all of his/er superior Canon lenses and Canon action bodies, and still get superior DR by picking up a Sony A7R. Nikon is also a viable system, but skipping from one 'system' to another is counter-productive (at best), when you actually have a system, not a just body and three or four good lenses.
When I switched from Fuji medium format and Pentax 35mm film "systems" to digital in 2004, I chose Canon over Nikon because of the Canon 1Ds. I bought what I could afford. Then, it was a 20D, then a pair of 30D, then a 40D and 5D, then ...
I wasn't wealthy then, and I'm not wealthy now, but I do have a viable and growing photography business, with a significant investment in the Canon Electrical Optical System (EOS).
Of course, the 1DsX will be bought by 'wealthy' and "cash rich" photographers, but most buyers will be photographers for whom it's a reasonable expense.
If Canon doesn't provide what you want, then go elsewhere. Spare us the angst.
For me, to spend that kind of money on a body, especially now with the competition/options, it has to have high DR. The number of MP is secondary to DR IMO. In the studio where light is well controlled it probably isn't as important and I could see many of these sold for that purpose. But in the field, for landscape, while 46mp would be nice, it's not as nice as 36mp with Exmor DR if the new sensor is based on the same old Canon DR.
Here's a question: Would canon use an outsourced sensor? The original 1D used a CCD from Panasonic.
Everyone has just assumed it is easy for Canon to replicate Sony's sensor tech, but I assume it is heavy patented. What if they decided to simply pay for the Sony sensor like Nikon, but in an official canon body, which of course would be the only option with a canon mount.
kezeka wrote:
I imagine this 1Dxs is going to have a new sensor manufacturing process behind it as well, since no one believes that Canon's current one could make anything with that resolution.
Isn't 46 MP FF equivalent to 18 MP APS-C? And Canon has been stuck at the 18 MP APS-C level for a very very long time... now we know why.
skibum5 wrote:
I meant going from the 36MP of the likely far, far less expensive D810 to the 44MP or so of the 1DsX.
I know.
I currently own a 1DX, 1DIV, and two 6D, plus a 'whole' EOS system of lenses, flash, and accessories, plus membership in a very effective support network, called Canon Professional Services (CPS). Switching to a D810 and a few good lenses makes no sense, at all.
Buying an A7R might make good sense, but that's not a system change, it's compensating for a capability deficiency that can be very important in some types of photography. That doesn't mean that higher MP and higher DR aren't useful in many types of photography, it only means they aren't critically important in all types of photography.
skibum5 wrote:
.... I was saying that it wouldn't make sense for the 1DsX to be only 5fps, no top quality 4k, no exmor DR, since then the only thing it would offer over the D810 is 46MP vs 36MP and it be worse for any image that needed a lot of DR.
I suggest you wait to see what the fps, DR, and IQ actually are, before you slag them all over the place.
Besides, who needs 12 fps in a high-MP, high-DR "scenic" camera? That's why you buy into a system; different components provide different capabilities - the system does 'everything', not one particular camera or lens.
Schlotkins wrote:
Here's a question: Would canon use an outsourced sensor? The original 1D used a CCD from Panasonic.
Everyone has just assumed it is easy for Canon to replicate Sony's sensor tech, but I assume it is heavy patented. What if they decided to simply pay for the Sony sensor like Nikon, but in an official canon body, which of course would be the only option with a canon mount.
Chris
Canon has used Sony sensors for their compacts, and it's rumored they're using the 1" Sony sensor for the new G7X. It's anybody's guess why they don't use them for other platforms. Perhaps it's because Canon wants to make use of their investment of their own fabs, although you'd think the same argument would apply to compacts, esp. since those are higher-volume products. Perhaps it's due to some Canon-specific sensor features that their DIGIC image processors were designed to rely upon and it would be too costly to redesign around a different sensor (although again they use DIGIC in their compacts as well). Perhaps Canon doesn't feel they're at a competitive disadvantage using their own sensors. Perhaps it's just pride. Hard to say.
I currently own a 1DX, 1DIV, and two 6D, plus a 'whole' EOS system of lenses, flash, and accessories, plus membership in a very effective support network, called Canon Professional Services (CPS). Switching to a D810 and a few good lenses makes no sense, at all.
Buying an A7R might make good sense, but that's not a system change, it's compensating for a capability deficiency that can be very important in some types of photography. That doesn't mean that higher MP and higher DR aren't useful in many types of photography, it only means they aren't critically important in all types of photography.
I suggest you wait to see what the fps, DR, and IQ actually are, before you slag them all over the place.
Besides, who needs 12 fps in a high-MP, high-DR "scenic" camera? That's why you buy into a system; different components provide different capabilities - the system does 'everything', not one particular camera or lens....Show more →
I am just imagining this all terrain camera with a terrific battery life and the ultimate in weather sealing for being beaten the crap out of in the field in any condition. That is what the 1ds line is meant to be, and what distinguishes professional SLRs from the flimsy consumer a7 series that Sony has. Along with a whole bunch of optimizations to make it actually usable in the field when you don't have 2 seconds to manipulate your hand into some unseemly position just to change the shutter speed because the button is in a stupid location.
StillFingerz wrote:
Anyone with a few Canon TSE lenses of which a few landscape shooters there are, talk about uninformed
Um, well, I shoot landscapes and architecture and own both a 17 TSE and 24 mk II TSE. I use Canon and Nikon DSLRs and a Sony A6000 mirrorless. I use the TSEs on the Canon DSLRs and the Sony. I am much, much more interested in a Sony A7R successor for landscapes, architecure and still lifes than an $8-9k Canon DSLR. Don't get me wrong tho - I really hope Canon gets its act together and introduces a great, high MP sensor that can compete with the Exmors.
akclimber wrote:
Um, well, I shoot landscapes and architecture and own both a 17 TSE and 24 mk II TSE. I use Canon and Nikon DSLRs and a Sony A6000 mirrorless. I use the TSEs on the Canon DSLRs and the Sony. I am much, much more interested in a Sony A7R successor for landscapes, architecure and still lifes than an $8-9k Canon DSLR. Don't get me wrong tho - I really hope Canon gets its act together and introduces a great, high MP sensor that can compete with the Exmors.
It would be the first step in building a MILC that competes with the a7r.
Perhaps this phenomenon can be leveraged to crash the all the rumor sites. Some possibilities:
Nikon to announce 27MP 30-shot raw buffer D400 in January! And a digital S-mount mirrorless!
Canon to release M3 with VF and less than antediluvian sensor at CES!
Sony to release 50MP MF RX2! (OK, they're bonkers enough they just might)
The Pentax K1 will have FF!
Leica to announce a line of autofocus lenses!
Cosina to announce 125/2.5 Macro and 180/4 close focus lenses as Voigtlander SLIIs!
Sony to announce lenses!
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